Must a Christian read the Ten Commandments to Know How God wants them to live?

MarcR · Feb 16, 2015

The thief who obtained salvation on the cross had no opportunity to read anything.

So the answer to your question is No. Reading the ten commandments is not necessary for salvation; however reading all of God's Word is profitable if you desire to please God with your life.

Jesus is called the Word of God. Scripture is called the Word of God.

Hence, I believe Scripture is the visible representation of Jesus until His return. The best way to draw closer to Jesus and know Him beter is to meet with Him prayerfully in Scripture.

Mitspa · Feb 16, 2015

The thing that some don't seem to grasp is that God is calling us to more than "thou shalt not" God wants obedience from the heart, not to a legal code. Obedience is in the Spirit not in the letter. Obedience is faith working by love, not legalism!

Billyd · Feb 16, 2015

Take a few minutes and read 1 Corinthians 13 again. It is important here because it defines love.

As it has been written by others here in this thread,

We know that God has written his commandments into our hearts.

We know how Jesus stressed love in his final commandments to us.

If we love him perfectly, we will keep his commandments perfectly, but how close to perfect can we be?

It is what is written in our hearts (his commandments) that tells us when we are committing sin. Without the commandments there would be no sin.

My challenge here is that we take a closer look at that word LOVE. If we pay close attention to how it is defined in 1 Corinthians 13, and practice LOVE as it is defined there, we would have no arguments here.

DiscipleDave · Feb 16, 2015

blue_ladybug said:

People in this Generation are not like the Bereans in Jesus day. When they heard something, even though they did not agree with it, they searched the Scriptures to see if what the heard was True or not. This generation THINKS they know the Truth, and therefore anyone who teaches contrary to what they THINK is the Truth, are liars or whatever else they call people that do not believe as they do. And the worst thing of all about this generation, is the Truths that they hold on to so dearly can't be backed up by Scriptures, (note not all but most)

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DiscipleDave · Feb 16, 2015

keeth said:

Tell me, which is better.:
Accuse people of lying, without telling them what part they are lying about.
or
Accuse people of lying, and telling them what they said that you feel is a lie?

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DiscipleDave · Feb 16, 2015

RyBread said:

it does not reflect the love perfectly. i could keep the 10 commandments perfectly, and still not go to Heaven. i could keep the 10 commandments perfectly and not forgive my brother, and it is written if you forgive not men their trespasses neither will the Father forgive you of your trespasses. So i could keep the 10 commandments ALL ten of them and still not go to Heaven. i can become angry at my brother, this does not break one of the 10 commandments. if the 10 commandments reflect love perfectly, where is Patience taught in the 10 commandments? Where is kindness taught in the 10 commandments? Where is empathy taught in the 10 commandments. The 10 commandments are LAWS, RULES, COMMANDMENTS, DO's and DON'TS. The Pharisees and Sadducees kept the 10 commandments perfectly. What they FAILED AT was compassion, mercy, LOVE, Forgiveness. As i said before i could keep the 10 commandments perfectly and still not go to Heaven. The 10 Commandments do NOT reflect LOVE perfectly, Love is many things, and the New Testament teaches us what LOVE is perfectly.

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ChristInUs · Feb 16, 2015

If you break one the you have broken them all. Which one did Abraham Keep I wonder?

DiscipleDave · Feb 16, 2015

gotime said:

That's the point though is it not, Christ does not lay the demands of the law on us but on himself. let me clarify what I mean by that.

He takes the responsibility of me keeping the law. its not on my, its on Him. But He is able to cause me to keep the law. The only part I play is faith and submission to His Lordship.

I am only held responsible if I do not accept His Grace and promises and His Lordship in my life.

I have learned that my failure to keep God's law came form a few things depending on the time.

1. I tried to keep a law I could never keep myself.
2. I failed to believe the promises of God in Christ.
3. I failed to submit to His Lordship in my life.

Now that I have got past working my way to heaven number 1 is not a problem for me anymore.

As I have studied the word of God my faith in Him has grown in His promises so number 2 is not a problem with me anymore unless I step out of faith.

I have learned to submit to the voice of God in all things and so number 3 is not a problem for me anymore unless I decide to go against Him.

So there is nothing keeping Jesus from preforming His divine promise in my life.

I don't know how to say this without sounding arrogant, but I will try.

Since I understood this I have found such power and Joy in Gods promises. sins I struggled with all my life are Gone.

I had people I did not like and some I hated, but I don't feel that way anymore about anyone. I have found that when temptation comes I never have to give into it ever.

Weather I am tired or not, stressed of not, Jesus keeps me. I do not claim to be perfect but I do believe the more I trust Jesus the closer I will get.

See its not simply about being a law keeper, that is just the result of coming closer to Jesus. And that is my goal to be close to Jesus, Keeping the law is just a natural result of being close to Jesus.

I don't know how to explain this, I don't really know how He does it, but He promised I put my faith in that and He is delivering on His promise.

The very way we think changes. I do make mistakes but I have learned that it always happens without exception when I lose sight of Jesus, or lack faith for some reason. but I have also learned that when My faith is firmly planted on Jesus I can not fall.

See I have no problem believing that Jesus can keep us from sin because I have experienced it. what I am learning now is how to keep my faith firmly planted on Jesus every moment. and I ask Jesus to teach me from His word how to do that and He is. And I am seeing the difference. and He is growing me day by day.

I am fully persuaded that God can do all that He has promised. I do not boast about this and do not like to talk about it, in type because I hate the Idea of it coming across as me.

Its not me, I simply died with Christ on the cross, my old nature has no power, through the Holy Spirit He has changed me and it is all to His Glory.

I know He will finish the work He has begun. praise His name.

You re not far from the Kingdom of God. Bless you.

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ChristInUs · Feb 16, 2015

Disciple Dave I think I like you, not sure yet, but I'm leaning. But as always I lean on the everlasting arms. Most don't know what that means as they sing radio songs in their churches.

DiscipleDave · Feb 16, 2015

Mitspa said:

i 100% agree, but whether i agree with it or not is irrelevant. The Word of God agrees with it, now that is relevant. i teach it over and over again. It is not about DO's and DON'Ts, its a heart issue. LOVE ONE ANOTHER issue, not about laws, not about ordinances, not about the letter of the law, not about statutes, not about Rules, Not about regulations, Not about "you must do this" or "You must do that" or "You can't do this" or "You can't do that" Its all about the heart, compassion for others even our enemies, its all about LOVING ONE ANOTHER.
Carnal minds want to keep laws, rules, regulations
Spiritual minds want to LOVE ONE ANOTHER.
Carnal minds don't steal from others because one of the ten commandments teach "Thou shalt not steal"
Spiritual minds don't steal from others, because they would not steal from those they LOVE.
Carnal minds want to keep and teach the 10 commandments
Spiritual minds want to LOVE ONE ANOTHER, and doing that, fulfills the WHOLE LAW.

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Kaycie · Feb 16, 2015

No. Everything a person needs to get saved and stay saved is in the new testament. However, there are so many things in the old testament that are good to know for different reasons.

DiscipleDave · Feb 16, 2015

Billyd said:

And what are His commandments? Don't listen to me. Don't listen to other people. Listen to the Apostle John which PLAINLY tells us what HIS COMMANDMENTS are. Let us all listen to and belielve the Word of God and not what men teach.

I John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of Him, because we keep His commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment, That we should 1) believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and 2) love one another, as He gave us commandment. 24 And He that keepeth His commandments dwelleth in Him, and he in Him. And hereby we know that He abideth in us, by the Spirit which He hath given us.

i don't know how the Apostle John could have said it more simply. But leave it to this last days generation to teach what His Commandments are that is CONTRARY to what the Apostle John PLAINLY tells us what His commandments are.
What are His Commandments? Believe the Word of God and what it plainly teaches, Don't believe men which teach His Commandments are the 10 commandments, which of a Truth is CONTRARY to what the Apostle John just told us His Commandments are. Believe John, not men from this generation.

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DiscipleDave · Feb 16, 2015

ChristInUs said:

Those who desire to be under the law, shall be judged by the law, Those who desire to be under the law, if they break one of the least of those laws, they are guilty of the whole law.
Those who teach you MUST keep the 10 commandments, and they themselves do not keep the 10 commandments are hypocrites and know not the Truth. If you are going to teach to keep the 10 commandments, then keep them yourself. But woe unto them who teach others to keep the law, when they themselves do not keep the law in which they try to teach others to keep. How will they escape the wrath of God? Jesus described them quite well. Do you teach not to steal yet you steal? Hypocrites.

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ChristInUs · Feb 16, 2015

DiscipleDave said:

Those who desire to be under the law, shall be judged by the law, Those who desire to be under the law, if they break one of the least of those laws, they are guilty of the whole law.
Those who teach you MUST keep the 10 commandments, and they themselves do not keep the 10 commandments are hypocrites and know not the Truth. If you are going to teach to keep the 10 commandments, then keep them yourself. But woe unto them who teach others to keep the law, when they themselves do not keep the law in which they try to teach others to keep. How will they escape the wrath of God? Jesus described them quite well. Do you teach not to steal yet you steal? Hypocrites.

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Wow, DD. I asked which law did Abraham keep? If you can't answer that then how many of each animal did Moses put on the ark?

DiscipleDave · Feb 16, 2015

ChristInUs said:

you do not know me, to like me. But if you like what i am teaching, then it is not i that you like, but Him that has told me what to teach, which is the Truth. Those who are Truly learning the Truth will also like it when they hear the Truth being taught regardless of WHO it is that is teaching that Truth. The sheep knows the Shepherds voice, they recognize it when they hear it.
True what you say about Churches, and extremely sad (note, not referring to the music)
Every town in America has a church, many have two or three churches, more people attend churches now than any time in the past, yet we are in the LAST DAYS, that should reveal much about churches. (not all churches)

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DiscipleDave · Feb 16, 2015

ChristInUs said:

Sorry i was unaware you were asking me a question, i only responded to some of the things you said in your post, i was unaware you desired me to answer them all. In answering the question which law did Abraham keep? i would have to say NONE of them, for the LAW came after Abraham, the only commandment that Abraham did keep is when God told him to leave his land, and he obeyed. And as to your question of how many of each animal did Moses put on the ark, i would have to answer the same as the previous Question, NONE, because Noah is the one who built the Ark. and of the clean animals were 7 females and 7 males, of the unclean animals it was 1 male to 1 female.

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ChristInUs · Feb 16, 2015

Good DD. Yes Abraham had faith and it was accounted unto him as righteousness. God does not change, He is the same yesterday, today, and forever. God's covenant with Abraham is still in effect as the law of Moses has been fullfilled and we are to place the work of the cross as the object of our faith. Faith in the cross is the only thing that will allow the Holy Spirit to work in us and through us. Law keeping is the work of the flesh and God will not honor it.

ChristInUs · Feb 16, 2015

Who was the oldest man in the bible that died before his father did?

4enlightment · Feb 16, 2015

michael56 said:

I think that this guy has answered your question and everyone else questions, nicely done.

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fredjames · Feb 16, 2015

michael56 said:

The present New Covenant by the conviction of the HOLY SPIRIT

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