Must a Christian read the Ten Commandments to Know How God wants them to live?

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john832 said:
Actually, what I think we should do is live up to the standard Christ set, not one that we can set...

1Co 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

1Pe 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
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If you mean by that, obedience to all the literal commands of Christ, I heard a minister state:

The standard set in the Beatitudes is impossible for man to achieve''

If the minister is right, then no Christian will live up to the standard they believe must be obtained.

If he is not, how many people do you know who live up to the standard of obedience to each and every command of Christ in the beatitudes?

Fibbing is failing to live up to Christ's standards!
 
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john832 said:
Actually, what I think we should do is live up to the standard Christ set, not one that we can set...

1Co 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

1Pe 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
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Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. [SUP]9 [/SUP]The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,”[SUP][a][/SUP] and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”[SUP][b][/SUP] [SUP]10 [/SUP]Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. R 13:8-10

The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love. Gal5:6

Carry each others burdens(show love to them) and in this way you will fulfil the law of Christ Gal 6:2
 
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Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. [SUP]9 [/SUP]The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,”[SUP][a][/SUP] and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”[SUP][b][/SUP] [SUP]10 [/SUP]Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. R 13:8-10

The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love. Gal5:6

Carry each others burdens(show love to them) and in this way you will fulfil the law of Christ Gal 6:2
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I read this and somehow I just don't come away with the understanding that this passage tells us to IGNORE those Commandments.
 
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john832 said:
Are you talking about the Christ who said this?

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.


Do you therefore believe all the OT law applies to the Christian? Not one jot or title..........
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Who is teaching the Christian should not love others?


And this?

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Please quote to verse 26, it gives the full picture of what is being stated. But from your singular quote, do you believe a person enters Heaven according to observing the law, that is their right standing before God?
And this?

Mat 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

ABSOLUTELY, AMEN
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john832 said:
I read this and somehow I just don't come away with the understanding that this passage tells us to IGNORE those Commandments.
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You don't understand what Paul is saying?

A few years ago my mother was diagnosed terminally ill. I loved her greatly. My wife and I went to look after her in her own home during her illness. During that time I lived closer to the biblical ideal than I have ever lived. I did not covet what was hers, I did not steal from her, bear false witness against her, want to murder her and I honoured her etc. And yet, I did not once have to even fleetingly think of any of the Ten Commandments to treat her this way. WHY NOT? Because I loved my mother dearly.

''Love fulfils the law''
 
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I read this and somehow I just don't come away with the understanding that this passage tells us to IGNORE those Commandments.
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See your not taking the time to read and hear what the bible is teaching? God desires love, not legalism.
 
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Some are blinded to the truth, others crave in their heart a righteousness of their own before God.

I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing Gal2:21

not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in[SUP][a][/SUP] Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith. Phil3:9
 
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if you understand grace, you will understand all fall short. so why look at a saviour in a way, that thinks our actions or deeds
merit anything. the problem with religion, taboos and dogmas it still looking at repentance, or good deeds, when paul said
Galatians 3: By Faith, or by Works of the Law?
1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified.2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?4 Did you suffer so many things in vain---if indeed it was in vain?5 Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith---6 just as Abraham "believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness"?Galatians 3


works of law or walking in faith to what god is telling you to do.

and later in gal 3 he said the law is a school teacher, what kind of school teacher is it. (the law)

and paul gos on to say, now jesus christ has come, is he the new school teacher, for the believers.
by giving the believer the holy spirit, he can talk or teach anyone 24/7 . etc etc
 
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john832 said:
I read this and somehow I just don't come away with the understanding that this passage tells us to IGNORE those Commandments.
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Would you care to answer the question in the title of the thread? I have asked you three times if you will, but so far you have refused
 
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You don't understand what Paul is saying?

A few years ago my mother was diagnosed terminally ill. I loved her greatly. My wife and I went to look after her in her own home during her illness. During that time I lived closer to the biblical ideal than I have ever lived. I did not covet what was hers, I did not steal from her, bear false witness against her, want to murder her and I honoured her etc. And yet, I did not once have to even fleetingly think of any of the Ten Commandments to treat her this way. WHY NOT? Because I loved my mother dearly.

''Love fulfils the law''
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See your not taking the time to read and hear what the bible is teaching? God desires love, not legalism.
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I find this fascinating. You do know that Hitler loved Germany, he loved Eva, he loved children and dogs. So, since he loved, he must be OK, right?

After all, according to you, when we start defining love that is LEGALISM.
 
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Would you care to answer the question in the title of the thread? I have asked you three times if you will, but so far you have refused
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My answer is yes but my answer doesn't really mean anything. Christ's answer is this...

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
 
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john832 said:
I find this fascinating. You do know that Hitler loved Germany, he loved Eva, he loved children and dogs. So, since he loved, he must be OK, right?

After all, according to you, when we start defining love that is LEGALISM.
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They will be ever hearing but never understanding...............
 
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john832 said:
My answer is yes but my answer doesn't really mean anything. Christ's answer is this...

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.[/QUOTE]

I will wait and see if you respond to my previous point made concerning your above emboldened quote.

So you believe a person must read the literal words of the Ten Commandments to know how God wants them to live? That would negate the fact the law you are required to keep is written on your mind and placed on your heart at the point of conversion when you are born again. One of the two core components of the new covenant.
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john832 said:
I find this fascinating. You do know that Hitler loved Germany, he loved Eva, he loved children and dogs. So, since he loved, he must be OK, right?

After all, according to you, when we start defining love that is LEGALISM.
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*Ahem* Godwin's Law...
 
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john832 said:
My answer is yes but my answer doesn't really mean anything. Christ's answer is this...

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.[/QUOTE]

I will wait and see if you respond to my previous point made concerning your above emboldened quote.

So you believe a person must read the literal words of the Ten Commandments to know how God wants them to live? That would negate the fact the law you are required to keep is written on your mind and placed on your heart at the point of conversion when you are born again. One of the two core components of the new covenant.
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That is possibly the most Biblically illiterate statements I have ever read. The Ten Commandments are what is written on the hearts and minds of those under the New Covenant. If you had bothered to study Hebrews 8, you would have discovered this.
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