Must a Christian read the Ten Commandments to Know How God wants them to live?

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Mitspa

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you are set free from loving your neighbour and loving God because that is the law of Moses.
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No... Im set free from the law of Moses so that I can keep the law of Christ...

Ga 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Ro 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death
 
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I have been there, legalistic I mean and I know the snare it is. the constant guilt the need to condemn others to make yourself feel better. The constant fear of Hell.

I have been in cheap grace also. the constant falling into the same sins and not having true freedom. I praise God that He brought me out of both of them.
 
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you are not free my friend, your view keeps you a slave to sin.

That is why you do not have the victory in Christ that you would like.

That is why you keep falling into the same sins again and again.
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maybe you need to read the bible?

Ro 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
 
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No... Im set free from the law of Moses so that I can keep the law of Christ...

Ga 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Ro 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death
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The law of Moses: as you call it:

Lev 19:18 Thou shalt not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people; but thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself: I am Jehovah.

Deu 6:5 and thou shalt love Jehovah thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

So which is it are you free from these or not?
 
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faith comes by hearing the word of God...
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True, and the Word is Jesus Christ. Does Jesus teach Christians to continue to follow the 10 commandments? No He does not teach Christians to do that. Does any Apostle teach us Christians to continue to follow the 10 commandments? No, they likewise do not teach that. So then where does that teaching come from? you do the math.

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gotime said:
I have been there, legalistic I mean and I know the snare it is. the constant guilt the need to condemn others to make yourself feel better. The constant fear of Hell.

I have been in cheap grace also. the constant falling into the same sins and not having true freedom. I praise God that He brought me out of both of them.
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If you say grace is cheap? Its because you don't honor Christ!

Joh 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
 
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If you say grace is cheap? Its because you don't honor Christ!

Joh 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
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really, did I say grace is cheap or did I say i have been in cheap grace. not the same thing.
 
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The law of Moses: as you call it:

Lev 19:18 Thou shalt not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people; but thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself: I am Jehovah.

Deu 6:5 and thou shalt love Jehovah thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

So which is it are you free from these or not?
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Of course the OLD Testament law is going to preach the law...have you heard of the New Testament?

2Co 3:6 ¶ Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
 
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you don't even know the law of Moses. you claim to be free from it.

then you are free to steal, commit adultery, not love God, not love your neighbour, you are free to hate your enemies. all these and more are in the law of Moses that you clam to be free from.
 
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Ga 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
 
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gotime said:
you don't even know the law of Moses. you claim to be free from it.

then you are free to steal, commit adultery, not love God, not love your neighbour, you are free to hate your enemies. all these and more are in the law of Moses that you clam to be free from.
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Can you read? This is Gods Word!

Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

And all the law is fulfilled in one word...love NOT LEGALISM!
 
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you miss my point, being free from the law of Moses does not mean not keeping all of it.

you can't love God and not love Him at the same. time.

I am sorry you don't get this, I know what its like to be in your position. trust me Jesus offers much more than you now experience. You can be free indeed.
 
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gotime said:
you miss my point, being free from the law of Moses does not mean not keeping all of it.

you can't love God and not love Him at the same. time.

I am sorry you don't get this, I know what its like to be in your position. trust me Jesus offers much more than you now experience. You can be free indeed.
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What part of this do you not understand?

Ro 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
 
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Any way blessings, though I don't agree with you, much respect to you. thank you for the conversation, I have to go play with my kids.
 
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1Jo 3:23 ¶ And this is his commandments, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
 
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gotime said:
Funny how Jesus loved and yet kept all 10 commandments.
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Jesus had to keep the 10 commandments, but not only the ten but all 600+ commandments, or else sin would have been found in Him.
The New covenant did not start until the moment it was witnessed that Jesus was alive from the dead, resurrected from the Dead, it was only at that moment did the New Covenant start, it was only at that moment, that the 12 scared men that hid from the authorities for fear of the same fate that Jesus went through, that they became SAVED, Truly believed He was the Son of the living God, by returning from the grave alive.
Jesus while He lived was NOT under the new covenant that would begin when He rose from the dead. Jesus while He walked the Earth was under the old covenant, the 10 commandments, the Torah. If He did not live by all those commandments, then sin would have been found in Him, and He would not have been a perfect, without spot, sacrifice for our sins. It was only after He rose from the dead, That EVERYTHING changed, including the LAW.
Jesus saying "A NEW commandment i give unto you, LOVE ONE ANOTHER" He made All other commandments OLD. None of the 10 commandments commands us to LOVE ONE ANOTHER.
Old Covenant = Keep the 10 commandments. Told to the Israelites who were under the old covenant.
New Covenant = LOVE ONE ANOTHER. Told to Christians under the new covenant.
Woe to those who try to teach Christians who are under a new covenant to obey that which was the old covenant, they know not the Truth.

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1Jo 3:23 ¶ And this is his commandments, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
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Turns out I have a few more minutes.

very good scripture Totally agree with this.
 
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Jesus had to keep the 10 commandments, but not only the ten but all 600+ commandments, or else sin would have been found in Him.
The New covenant did not start until the moment it was witnessed that Jesus was alive from the dead, resurrected from the Dead, it was only at that moment did the New Covenant start, it was only at that moment, that the 12 scared men that hid from the authorities for fear of the same fate that Jesus went through, that they became SAVED, Truly believed He was the Son of the living God, by returning from the grave alive.
Jesus while He lived was NOT under the new covenant that would begin when He rose from the dead. Jesus while He walked the Earth was under the old covenant, the 10 commandments, the Torah. If He did not live by all those commandments, then sin would have been found in Him, and He would not have been a perfect, without spot, sacrifice for our sins. It was only after He rose from the dead, That EVERYTHING changed, including the LAW.
Jesus saying "A NEW commandment i give unto you, LOVE ONE ANOTHER" He made All other commandments OLD. None of the 10 commandments commands us to LOVE ONE ANOTHER.
Old Covenant = Keep the 10 commandments. Told to the Israelites who were under the old covenant.
New Covenant = LOVE ONE ANOTHER. Told to Christians under the new covenant.
Woe to those who try to teach Christians who are under a new covenant to obey that which was the old covenant, they know not the Truth.

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love one another is Old Covenant also did you know that?
 
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Mitspa said:
What part of this do you not understand?

Ro 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
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I understand it just fine, love does indeed fulfil the law all of it every last bit.
 
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gotime said:
I understand it just fine, love does indeed fulfil the law all of it every last bit.
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Good then teach love in Christ...and forsake all this legalism, because its profits no one anything!
 
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