Must a Christian read the Ten Commandments to Know How God wants them to live?

[Mitspa]

Indeed I have, the difference between me and you is I understand it. why? not cause I am any better than you but because I know the Old also. So I understand why Paul says those things because I come from the same reference point as He did.

Really?

Ro 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Ro 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

 

[Laodicea]

yes been trying to teach you for the last hour or so....

Ro 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:


Ro 1:16 ¶ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

If there were no law there would be no gospel. Adam & Eve broke the law so we had need for the gospel. If no law then we would have no need for grace.

 

[ChristInUs]

Law pleases the flesh. It say's I have done this and I have done that and I'm better than you cause I don't do what you do. Law is a a flesh teaser at best. Living for God is by the Spirit and faith placed in the work of Christ. If any man should boast let Him boast in Christ and Him crucified. All other boasting is of the flesh and has no meaning. Daniel Fast is boasting, 40 days of purpose is boasting. I cut the church grass is boasting. Boasting in what you do. Boasting in Christ is what He did for you.

 

[ChristInUs]

If there were no law there would be no gospel. Adam & Eve broke the law so we had need for the gospel. If no law then we would have no need for grace.

What law did Adam and Eve have?

 

[Mitspa]

If there were no law there would be no gospel. Adam & Eve broke the law so we had need for the gospel. If no law then we would have no need for grace.

Its a witness to the gospel!

Ro 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Now we have gone from the law of Moses into the law of Christ!

Ro 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

 

[DiscipleDave]

You do know that you just proved that you don't know the Old Covenant. They were told to love the strangers .

by the way you have only half quoted the new commandment:

Joh 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, that ye love one another; even as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

"as I have loved you"

Had the Old Testament believers seen Jesus in person live as a human and show his love? no so it is indeed a new commandment.

They were told to love as can be seen from the following Texts:

Lev 19:34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

Deu 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:
Deu 10:18 He doth execute the judgment of the fatherless and widow, and loveth the stranger, in giving him food and raiment.
Deu 10:19 Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

This one is similar to what Jesus said. God says to love the stranger here because He loves the stranger. not the same though in that it still was not Jesus in human form walking among them.

So yes love is a teaching of the Old Covenant.

So according to you Jesus did not give us a NEW commandment? That it was already given.
i have read the entire Bible over 80 times in my life, i understand the old Covenant just fine. Strangers were accepted into the Jewish communities, there are even instructions how outside strangers that were accepted into the Jewish communities were to be treated.
Tell me are you teaching that the old covenant taught to love your enemies?
Are you saying anywhere in the old covenant, that they were taught to LOVE gentiles (outsiders)
You give verses of strangers that were accepted into the Jewish communities, that they were to love them, that has nothing to do with LOVE ONE ANOTHER, that is LOVE EVERYONE, even your enemies. This teaching was not, nor ever was in the old covenant, under the old covenant, you could kill your enemies, under the old covenant God commanded the Jews to kill people. This is not LOVING ONE ANOTHER. You do error in thinking the old covenant taught to LOVE ONE ANOTHER, because it did no such thing, it only taught to love your nation, to love your own neighbor, to love the stranger that you accepted into your community. it does not teach to love your enemies, to love the gentiles, to LOVE THE ROMANS. you do error thinking that it did, and if you do think that, who is the one that does not understand the old covenant, which taught it was OK to hate your enemies. Read many things David wrote about his enemies, being under the old covenant, he wanted God to kill them, to destroy them, this is not LOVE ONE ANOTHER. Jesus under the new covenant, taught us a NEW Commandment, to LOVE ONE ANOTHER, even as He loved us. And by not adding the second part does not change the first part in the slightest as you seem to suggest above, by saying i only half quoted the verse. The second half does not change the first half. We are commanded to LOVE ONE ANOTHER, the second half tells us HOW we are to do the first part, HOW to LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

Are you saying from another post, that you are a preacher of a church?

^i^ Responding to post #173

 

[ChristInUs]

Its a witness to the gospel!

Ro 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Now we have gone from the law of Moses into the law of Christ!

Ro 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Brother keep reading Romans and pray as you read.

 

[Mitspa]

Brother keep reading Romans and pray as you read.

Brother..If you have a point to make...make it...are you trying to say Im missing something? Maybe I have something you need to know about Romans?

 

[Laodicea]

What law did Adam and Eve have?

They ate from the forbiddeen tree what laws did they brake? They coveted, did not honour God, they took something they were not supposed to, they put others gods before God etc.

 

[Mitspa]

They ate from the forbiddeen tree what laws did they brake? They coveted, did not honour God, they took something they were not supposed to, they put others gods before God etc.

That's the law...the knowledge of good and evil...you guys have Christ...the tree of Life yet satan has deceived you...and you have fallen from grace.

 

[DiscipleDave]

read the post I did not say we only preach the law. the point was just because we preach the law does not mean we follow it legalistically. Does not mean we are like the Pharisees who were devoid of the love of God.

Help me to understand, you say your church preaches the law does not mean they follow it legalistically. So you preach the law to do what? to do them or not do them? Tell me, how does your church preach the law? give me an example of what law it preaches.
Those who are legalistic preach Do's and Don'ts, you can do this, you can't do that, you can do this though, you can't do that. Does your church teach "Do the 10 commandments" or not?

^i^ Responding to post # 178

 

[ChristInUs]

They ate from the forbiddeen tree what laws did they brake? They coveted, did not honour God, they took something they were not supposed to, they put others gods before God etc.

and being perfect they broke that one simple command.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Law pleases the flesh. It say's I have done this and I have done that and I'm better than you cause I don't do what you do. Law is a a flesh teaser at best. Living for God is by the Spirit and faith placed in the work of Christ. If any man should boast let Him boast in Christ and Him crucified. All other boasting is of the flesh and has no meaning. Daniel Fast is boasting, 40 days of purpose is boasting. I cut the church grass is boasting. Boasting in what you do. Boasting in Christ is what He did for you.

i liked this, but there was no like to click on, so i am responding that i like this.

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[DiscipleDave]

Brother Mitspa, i would like to say something to you.
i want to commend you on your knowledge of the Bible, i can tell you have studied it much. It seems to me in almost all of your posts, you quote relevant Scriptures.
Keep up the Good work Brother, just thought i would encourage you. Your posts are encouraging to me as well, many post many things, without backing up what they teach with Scriptures, myself included, but it seems to me, what you say, you back up with Scriptures to support what you are saying, while others do not. again i commend you for this.

love you Brother

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[Word_Swordsman]

You heard of all the Bible? Are you saying you only read the New Testament?

2 Timothy 3:16 KJV
(16) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:



The texts I showed tell us that the law of Moses is not the ten commandments. The law of Moses is what Moses wrote in a book while God wrote the ten commandments with His finger so is not the law of Moses it is the law or commandments of God.

Revelation 14:12 KJV
(12) Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

So, according to that Israel was deluded by Moses who apparently wrote 603 laws that God didn't author? The only ones he wrote are the 10? Who wants to be first to deliver the news to the Jews?

Seriously, the Decalogue written by the finger of God was the basis of the whole Mosaic law. Note that Moses broke the tablets, then God had Moses do it over.

Originally Moses spent 40 days on the mount, returning with those tables, also with instructions for the Tabernacle and Priesthood (more laws), then broke them when seeing the people sinned while he was with God. God called him back up for another 40 days to write the 10 commandments himself, God dictating it again. During all those 80 days combined Moses received the whole of the law through most of Deuteronomy, possibly finished by Joshua since Moses died.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

Its a witness to the gospel!

Ro 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Now we have gone from the law of Moses into the law of Christ!

Ro 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

It appears nothing has changed among the Judaizers in 2,000 years, ignoring clearly understood scriptures, persisting in spite of the New Covenant. They cancel out any faith in Christ by clutching to the old covenant, which has been thoroughly summarized in the New Testament, less one of the 10 commandments, the last day Sabbath. I figure that's what behind it all.

We have SDA folks promoting their false doctrines. Now go look them up, see their game book full of errors.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Could someone help my ignorance, and tell me what does SDA stand for.
Thanks.

^i^

 

[RickyZ]

Seventh Day Adventist I beleive

 

[michael56]

Acts 15 requirement were to allow a gentile to even crack the doors of a house of worship, and they would learn the rest as they attended. One the Spirit doesn't "zap" all knowledge into a believer, YHWH rewards those who diligently seek Him and second, most of us don't think what a gentile was back then, most I assume, from history, were deep into paganism and probably had some common practices that would turn most of our stomachs.

Acts 15:19-21, "Therefore, my judgment is that we should not make difficulties for those of the Gentiles who turn to Yahweh, But rather, write to them that they abstain from defilements: such as idolatry, from all sexual impurity, from that which has been cooked with the blood still in it, and from bloodshed by violence-- For Mosheh, from the earliest times, has in every city those who preach him, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath Day."

On Sabbath at a house of worship they would hear the Law/Torah/Instructions, they would hear the Messiah's perfect teaching, and if guys like Peter, Paul, etc were around they could hear that teaching everyday, but not ever person could be/was with them every day.... I think only in modern times is being sancified/saved a single one off thing, back then, and in truth, it is a constant process of growing in Messiah.

When they(the leaders of the Christian church) heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul: “You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law. [SUP]21 [/SUP]They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or live according to our customs. [SUP]22 [/SUP]What shall we do? They will certainly hear that you have come, [SUP]23 [/SUP]so do what we tell you. There are four men with us who have made a vow. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law. [SUP]25 [/SUP]As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.”
Acts21:20-25

 

[michael56]

Romans 7:7 KJV
(7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Romans 3:20 KJV
(20) Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

You respond to my posts Laodicea but constantly refuse to answer any questions I put to you. It may be better to ignore my posts as that is the case. Do you not see why?