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Can you imagine Paul and the apostles involving themselves in magic tricks? Yeah, I just can't see that. They would have no need to do something like that. Can you say that your magic tricks or illusions would line up with what is said in Philippians 4:8?
Philippians 4:8
"Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever thingsare lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and ifthere be any praise, think on these things."
See, magic tricks are about dazzling people with something that is not true. Are you a truth teller or a an illusion teller (tricking people into thinking falsely for a little while)? I want to tell people the truth 100% of the time. My goal is not to trick people... making them think one thing falsely for a short time while and then revealing the truth later. That is not right.
Also, it would be wrong to support the occult industry by giving them your money. It would be wrong for you as a Christian to even step foot into an occult shop, unless you were there to specifically tell them about the gospel of Jesus Christ.
For magic tricks and the like are of this world. People wanting to be magicians are of this world. But Jesus says, he that shall save his life shall lose it, but he that shall lose his life for his sake shall save it. In other words, there are two paths you can take in this life. You can follow your old way of doing things and please the old man, and or you can follow Jesus. Magic tricks and cards, etc. has nothing to do with following Jesus Christ.
In other words, there shall be no "magic shop dilemma" if you want to follow Jesus.
Philippians 4:8
"Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever thingsare lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and ifthere be any praise, think on these things."
See, magic tricks are about dazzling people with something that is not true. Are you a truth teller or a an illusion teller (tricking people into thinking falsely for a little while)? I want to tell people the truth 100% of the time. My goal is not to trick people... making them think one thing falsely for a short time while and then revealing the truth later. That is not right.
Also, it would be wrong to support the occult industry by giving them your money. It would be wrong for you as a Christian to even step foot into an occult shop, unless you were there to specifically tell them about the gospel of Jesus Christ.
For magic tricks and the like are of this world. People wanting to be magicians are of this world. But Jesus says, he that shall save his life shall lose it, but he that shall lose his life for his sake shall save it. In other words, there are two paths you can take in this life. You can follow your old way of doing things and please the old man, and or you can follow Jesus. Magic tricks and cards, etc. has nothing to do with following Jesus Christ.
In other words, there shall be no "magic shop dilemma" if you want to follow Jesus.
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So you are saying that people who perform the illusion of walking on water have demonic powers and possessed by demons? Can you give an example of such a person?
Can you show me in the Bible where Jesus and the disciples urinated and defecated? Just because something is not mentioned in the Bible does not mean it is wrong.
Can you show me in the Bible where Jesus and the disciples urinated and defecated? Just because something is not mentioned in the Bible does not mean it is wrong.
Within the time frame a person is tricking somebody, they are deliberating twisting the truth from that person and giving them false information deliberately. Yes, it is for a short time. But when is sending false information to somebody ever right?
In other words, if I said something that was not true to you, but then five minutes later said that such a thing was not true, then I would be lying. It is no different with a magic trick. But instead of lying with your words, you are lying by using objects.
In other words, if I said something that was not true to you, but then five minutes later said that such a thing was not true, then I would be lying. It is no different with a magic trick. But instead of lying with your words, you are lying by using objects.
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You really are obsessive when it comes to things like this, yes lying is a sin, but seriously, performing illlusions and tricks is not lying in the context you are implying and it is certainly not sinful. Everyone on the planet who knows what a pack of cards are, sees someone come up with a deck and they say "pick a card", knows they will see some kind of trick, they know that there will be an element of illusion and deception to make it work, its entertainment, not some kind of satanic evil. Half the fun is trying to work out how it was done.
A person would be lying to another person about no rabbit being in the hat at once point in time and then show a rabbit coming out of that hat. It is based on a lie. For example: Let's say you show the first half of your trick with you promoting something that is not true and I had to leave because of an emergency. I would believe that person was showing me something was true. But it was all a lie or an illusion. God is not into His people deceiving others. That is a tactic of the devil, my friend.
I prefer to enjoy my time in studying God's Word. I do not need any tricks to satisfy me. This world is full of enough tricks of deception. The basis for all tricks is based on a lie. The fact that folks know it is a lie does not change anything. The illusionist is still lying. In other words, I would not ask somebody to tell me about something that is untruthful in their life so as to be entertained. Some magicians actually do involves themselves in the dark arts. In fact, magicians of old were sorcerers. Sorcerers or those in the occult or Satanism think they have power. But it is all a lie. The devil is using them; And those who want to do card tricks instead of preaching the gospel are free to do so. But I will tell you now, God does not call us to deceive but to preach the truth.
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There's probably little you consume in this world that doesn't have Satan's minions in the chain, those sold out to the material world, running things. If it's a criteria that everybody you do business with is part of a lily white organization, better just fast yourself to death and die.
But as to your specific subject, I actually heard a talk on the radio just a week or two ago, about a Christian magician who did tricks on the street, passed out flyers for a free magic show. Many people would come, and he would deliver a 20 minute magic show as promised, then preach. And people were saved. You can't argue with this. As to online stores, does this guarantee you'll be patronizing saints? I suppose if you know it's a Christian business, that's great, but if not, what have you accomplished? Robbed Peter, to pay Paul, as they say?
As to the legalists, they are too busy being self righteous and spreading bondage, to do anything for God.
Matthew 23:24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
But as to your specific subject, I actually heard a talk on the radio just a week or two ago, about a Christian magician who did tricks on the street, passed out flyers for a free magic show. Many people would come, and he would deliver a 20 minute magic show as promised, then preach. And people were saved. You can't argue with this. As to online stores, does this guarantee you'll be patronizing saints? I suppose if you know it's a Christian business, that's great, but if not, what have you accomplished? Robbed Peter, to pay Paul, as they say?
As to the legalists, they are too busy being self righteous and spreading bondage, to do anything for God.
Matthew 23:24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
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What of magicians who have used their tricks to draw people to Christ? There have actually been true preachers who used illusion-based entertainment to convey object lessons about the Bible. Particularly, a good portion of these include gospel street preaching acts. It's undeniable that some, on hearing these messages, have actually been saved too, based on their fruits.
Sometimes, in order to reach people who are "one with the world," you need to live "in the world, but not of it." Folks on the street are more ready hear someone preach when there is a show and an object lesson for them, rather than a Legalist giving them a lecture. To this end, "magic" in my sense has often proven very effective for the cause of Christ.
Here's a video example of a young man doing one such performance. Note that everything he says agrees with the Bible perfectly, and he never lies throughout the whole act...
http://youtu.be/FrFwkxgyEVs
Sometimes, in order to reach people who are "one with the world," you need to live "in the world, but not of it." Folks on the street are more ready hear someone preach when there is a show and an object lesson for them, rather than a Legalist giving them a lecture. To this end, "magic" in my sense has often proven very effective for the cause of Christ.
Here's a video example of a young man doing one such performance. Note that everything he says agrees with the Bible perfectly, and he never lies throughout the whole act...
http://youtu.be/FrFwkxgyEVs
The gospel is not a magic show or done in such way that is involved with enticing according to man's wisdom. The gospel is preached in Spirit and in power.
1 Corinthians 2:4
"And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:"
1 Corinthians 2:4
"And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:"
I suppose then you do not watch any sports because part of a game is to deceive the opposition into making a mistake. I still stand by what I say, people like yourself and Jason are just reading too much into things and it is becoming a burden. There was an old woman in my church who was just like you, she saw Satan and demons in everything, got to point where she then imprisoned herself in her home and became a recluse. She even refused to go into someones home because they had a bottle of ale called Hobgoblin.
Yes it is important to look at stuff and decided if its good or not, but not to the point of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder which is exactly what saying people doing illusions and card tricks is.
Yes it is important to look at stuff and decided if its good or not, but not to the point of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder which is exactly what saying people doing illusions and card tricks is.
I'm not trying to gather folks to deception to talk about Christ... not the way to go.. Especially MAGIC, I don't mind going any where, God is with me.. The difference is I'm not going to use sin " lies " or murder to bring someone to Christ.
Its not " just " Jason and myself by the way.. There's over five in agreement on this and would think more as well.
Its not " just " Jason and myself by the way.. There's over five in agreement on this and would think more as well.
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