My take on water baptism...

[garee]

So you don't agree that the term Israel there in vs 25 refers to the nation Israel?

Acts 7 tells us Israel's leaders rejected the Holy spirit by killing Stephen.

And in the eyes of God, as the nation leaders go, so goes the entire nation.

2 Chronicles 12:1 – But when Rehoboam was firmly established and strong, he abandoned the Law of the Lord, and all Israel followed him in this sin.

1 Kings 15:33-34

In the third year of Asa king of Judah, Baasha the son of Ahijah became king over all Israel in Tirzah, and reigned twenty-four years. He did evil in the sight of the Lord, and walked in the way of Jeroboam, and in his sin by which he had made Israel sin.

One thing I think of is that born again believers from all the nations having the Spirit of Christ working in them to both will and do the good pleasure of our God, know that all of Israel is not the bride of Christ. Just as all who say they are Christians .Right way we understand that we walk by faith the unseen and not after the the temporal seen .

God as promised has clearly renamed His bride "Christian". A more befitting name for His bride the church she represents all the nations that hear the gospel and believe

The name as a foundation which seems to have been lost reveals that she is made up of all the nations.

Christian = residents of the city of Christ named after her husband Christ . She prepared as a city will come down on the last day and receive her promised new incorruptible body. It will be neither male not female Jew or Gentile. As sons of God we are not what we will be. Salvation has nothing to do with the corrupted flesh of fallen mankind.


Satan in Revelation 20:6 fell when the veil was rent taking away the abiltlty of deceiving the all nations that Jewish flesh could profit for something. Even Jesus said of his own corrupted flesh it profits for zero. .Its the unseen Spirit that does profit .The life giving spirit. No power in the dying flesh.

Revelation 20 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Some say he is not deceiving at all during that time period . (the third heaven on earth) Which will not come into effect be until the new heavens and new earth appear .

 

[Hevosmies]

One thing I think of is that born again believers from all the nations having the Spirit of Christ working in them to both will and do the good pleasure of our God, know that all of Israel is not the bride of Christ. Just as all who say they are Christians .Right way we understand that we walk by faith the unseen and not after the the temporal seen .

God as promised has clearly renamed His bride "Christian". A more befitting name for His bride the church she represents all the nations that hear the gospel and believe

The name as a foundation which seems to have been lost reveals that she is made up of all the nations.

Christian = residents of the city of Christ named after her husband Christ . She prepared as a city will come down on the last day and receive her promised new incorruptible body. It will be neither male not female Jew or Gentile. As sons of God we are not what we will be. Salvation has nothing to do with the corrupted flesh of fallen mankind.


Satan in Revelation 20:6 fell when the veil was rent taking away the abiltlty of deceiving the all nations that Jewish flesh could profit for something. Even Jesus said of his own corrupted flesh it profits for zero. .Its the unseen Spirit that does profit .The life giving spirit. No power in the dying flesh.

Revelation 20 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Some say he is not deceiving at all during that time period . (the third heaven on earth) Which will not come into effect be until the new heavens and new earth appear .

Mamma mia!

This keeps making less and less sense. The chronology is all off what are you talking about bro?

Gotta love this line too: "It will be neither male not female Jew or Gentile. As sons of God" sons are male!

 

[garee]

Mamma mia!

This keeps making less and less sense. The chronology is all off what are you talking about bro?

Gotta love this line too: "It will be neither male not female Jew or Gentile. As sons of God" sons are male!

Mamma mia makes great pizza

Not a salvation issue .More of how can we hear and seek the approval of God. I am not the teacher. One is in heaven.

Something I keep on the back burner on simmer. Its one of those doctrines where it easy to get confused because of the metaphorical language of the parables. Hope you can bear with my limited grammar .

I would offer as new creatures "sons of God or "born of God" we are not what we will be. The chase virgin bride the church. The two working as one. . . male and female with Jew and gentile will literally become one in the new unseen heavens and earth, the dwelling place.

Two beginnings called "generations" (plural) heavens (plural) were created in one day that God did work . Again ..They (plural)were created in the day (singular ) that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

Genesis2: 4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

Same with the residents. Two beginnings for the new creature again looking ahead for the future bride the church Christians, residents of the Holy city of Christ not seen . As Revelation 21 informs us. . prepared as the one bride .

Note... In (parenthesis) by added comments

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, (The Father and Son working as one God) after our likeness: and let them (husband and wife) have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, (The Father and Son working as one God) in the image of God created he him; (mankind) male and female created he them. (the other beasts' of the field not subject to salvation)

Sons of God speaks of mankind men and woman . . the creation is the likeness of God. The father and the Son .

1 John 3:1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

There are many verses that help us understanding mystery of the "chaste virgin bride". accredited to Timothy in a parable. . Neither male nor female, Jew nor gentile . Mankind .

New creatures as the bride of Christ do not chase after false gods called strange women. The first commandment have no gods before me . Or in Genesis 6 the strange woman "daughters of men" . Of men or of mankind denotes unconverted mankind .A warning not to be evenly yoked. .God was still preserving the spiritual seed which came to fruition with the Son of Man, Jesus . End of the genealogy

Again mankind, both woman and men in the likeness of one.

Revelation 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women;(mankind as daughters of men ) for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, (mankind) being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.(two)

If we try and separate the male from the female or jew from the gentile it would make them un-redeemable

The word of as to the direction in the suffix denotes the source of birth .(1) sons of God are those born of God new creatures the bride ? Daughters of men, the strange woman, natural unconverted mankind

 

[peldom10]

So I think basically what you are trying to tell me is that, God's word has changed from the OT to the NT.

The moment one turns their bible, pass that blank page that separates Matthew to Revelations from the OT, all of God's word in that latter half are written to us.

Is that what you are trying to say?

I don't think...I know ........you choose not to address the question which has a clear answer.

 

[peldom10]

Let me ask you this, Does the holy spirit come into an unrepented heart? Of course I am not saying we do not need to repent my question was to what he meant as I misunderstood him, He seemed to be say that our sins are washed away in water baptism and I asked him is that not what the blood of Jesus did, repentance is of the heart but water baptism is more of a declarion of repentance and dedication to God

Well since you don't deny it...that is my conclusion of your thinking. Whether repentance, baptism or living righteously is the topic.
God commands it.

 

[Guojing]

I don't think...I know ........you choose not to address the question which has a clear answer.

I already answered your question. Yes, Acts 2:38 states what Israel (Acts 2:14) is required to do, repent and be water baptized.

Water baptism is required under Israel's program, as I have already stated many times in this thread.

 

[garee]

I already answered your question. Yes, Acts 2:38 states what Israel (Acts 2:14) is required to do, repent and be water baptized.

Water baptism is required under Israel's program, as I have already stated many times in this thread.

No sign gifts to include water baptism.

The foundation of water baptism is a ceremonial law or shadow of the unseen .We walk by faith the unseen law. The foundation in the old testament applied when a new priest had a desire. It does not confirm a work of remission.

When the first two, Aarons sons desired to become a member . They added their own personal twist as a sign against them . They were consumed by fire .The priestly garments unscathed

That's the commandment Acts 2 to first repent and then believe. Nothing to do with water .It has to do with being baptized in a authroity or name .We receive it by believing not getting wet

You are promoting a works righteousness

Acts 2: 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

 

[Blain]

Well since you don't deny it...that is my conclusion of your thinking. Whether repentance, baptism or living righteously is the topic.
God commands it.

I think it is a bit early to think you understand my thinking.
Water baptism is not what saves correct? but what does? how does one become saved? They go before God and repent for their sins and desire to follow him this is when if the heart is truly repentant the holy spirit comes to make residence.

We can have the holy spirit because of what Jesus did on the cross his blood is what makes us able to be clean upon repentance but then when one gets batpized in water which was a symbolism and testimony of being born from natural waters into being born again from his waters however why does one do this only after they are saved?

Because this testimony does no good for one who has not repented it is not a testimony of what he did for them because they never received it to begin with they wouldn't understand the repntance in it because unless one is saved first they have not truly repented.

If water baptism is what saves then it would be different

 

[Guojing]

No sign gifts to include water baptism.

The foundation of water baptism is a ceremonial law or shadow of the unseen .We walk by faith the unseen law. The foundation in the old testament applied when a new priest had a desire. It does not confirm a work of remission.

When the first two, Aarons sons desired to become a member . They added their own personal twist as a sign against them . They were consumed by fire .The priestly garments unscathed

That's the commandment Acts 2 to first repent and then believe. Nothing to do with water .It has to do with being baptized in a authroity or name .We receive it by believing not getting wet

You are promoting a works righteousness

Acts 2: 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

James 2 also reinforced to the 12 tribes that faith without works cannot save them

 

[peldom10]

I already answered your question. Yes, Acts 2:38 states what Israel (Acts 2:14) is required to do, repent and be water baptized.

Water baptism is required under Israel's program, as I have already stated many times in this thread.

It is for anyone...not just Israel...that's new...where did you get that from?
Acts 2;38 of 16 11 KJV does not ay that.
New...new age religion interpretations of scriptures continue to amaze.

 

[tourist]

to the OP..... your "take" is wrong, scripturally. You are purposely mis-understanding scripture, to support your personal beliefs.

What was the final command Jesus gave the disciples?

Apparently, the OP took the last train to Bansville.

 

[peldom10]

No sign gifts to include water baptism.

The foundation of water baptism is a ceremonial law or shadow of the unseen .We walk by faith the unseen law. The foundation in the old testament applied when a new priest had a desire. It does not confirm a work of remission.

When the first two, Aarons sons desired to become a member . They added their own personal twist as a sign against them . They were consumed by fire .The priestly garments unscathed

That's the commandment Acts 2 to first repent and then believe. Nothing to do with water .It has to do with being baptized in a authroity or name .We receive it by believing not getting wet

You are promoting a works righteousness

Acts 2: 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

None of that is scriptural. Has nothing to do with works. Just like repentance is not works.
That is a spin...as someone else here has maintained.

You suggest Christ did not believe in Himself or have faith in His assignment?
WOW.

 

[Guojing]

It is for anyone...not just Israel...that's new...where did you get that from?
Acts 2;38 of 16 11 KJV does not ay that.
New...new age religion interpretations of scriptures continue to amaze.

I already stated for you Acts 2:14, have you read that?

Every time you read the Bible to form doctrine, a good system for proper interpretation is to ask yourself "Who is the audience that the passage was directed to"?

 

[peldom10]

I already stated for you Acts 2:14, have you read that?

Every time you read the Bible to form doctrine, a good system for proper interpretation is to ask yourself "Who is the audience that the passage was directed to"?

I know pertinent scripture ....... is intended for me.

 

[Nehemiah6]

It is for anyone...not just Israel...that's new...where did you get that from?

He either got that from the Hyper-Dispensationalists, or manufactured his own theology. He does have some rather unorthodox beliefs (as you will learn sooner or later). But you are correct. Water baptism is for all Christians after they have been saved, and already been baptized with the Holy Spirit.

 

[peldom10]

He either got that from the Hyper-Dispensationalists, or manufactured his own theology. He does have some rather unorthodox beliefs (as you will learn sooner or later). But you are correct. Water baptism is for all Christians after they have been saved, and already been baptized with the Holy Spirit.

Try....the Bible.
Most of the times that helps.

 

[Guojing]

I know pertinent scripture ....... is intended for me.

Well, you can show someone scripture, but you cannot make them understand it.

 

[garee]

None of that is scriptural. Has nothing to do with works. Just like repentance is not works.
That is a spin...as someone else here has maintained.

You suggest Christ did not believe in Himself or have faith in His assignment?
WOW.

Work takes both faith (the will) and works (the action) . Repentance is a work of God as well as the baptism of the Holy Spirit .

Water baptism is a shadow as a cerimoninil law..

In any case God must do the "first work" to both (will) and do (the action).

Some murmur and complain.

Philipian2:13-14 For it is God (not maybe) which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings

No Christ. . . no will .No will . . no work . faith is a work it cannot be separated . God said : (the will ) Let there be light and there was (the action)

Know the will and work of God as he works in us.

No sign gifts(I did it) as evidence to include water baptism. The sign is we beleive God. Walk by faith the unseen eternal .Christ in us performs the things he appoints to us he makes our hearts soft

What did you mean by, (Christ did not believe in Himself or have faith in His assignment? )

 

[peldom10]

Well, you can show someone scripture, but you cannot make them understand it.

That's God's job and He does it quite well....when He feels they are ready to handle it.
(study scripture...so you will be aware that God controls individual understanding of His word)

 

[peldom10]

Work takes both faith (the will) and works (the action) . Repentance is a work of God as well as the baptism of the Holy Spirit .

Water baptism is a shadow as a cerimoninil law..

In any case God must do the "first work" to both (will) and do (the action).

Some murmur and complain.

Philipian2:13-14 For it is God (not maybe) which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings

No Christ. . . no will .No will . . no work . faith is a work it cannot be separated . God said : (the will ) Let there be light and there was (the action)

Know the will and work of God as he works in us.

No sign gifts(I did it) as evidence to include water baptism. The sign is we beleive God. Walk by faith the unseen eternal .Christ in us performs the things he appoints to us he makes our hearts soft

What did you mean by, (Christ did not believe in Himself or have faith in His assignment? )

You tell that to Acts 2;38, et al....search...there are several.