Mystery, Babylon the Great - earthly Jerusalem?
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Luke 21:22
The Destruction of Jerusalem
21"Then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains, and those who are in the midst of the city must leave, and those who are in the country must not enter the city; 22because these are days of vengeance, so that all things which are written will be fulfilled. 23"Woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days; for there will be great distress upon the land and wrath to this people < APOSTATE ISRAEL.
it's over for Jerusalem.
the Gospel now...nothing more or less.
jew, gentile - no difference.
I have an insider when it comes to interpreting prophetic covenant scripture I have two images in my head as to how I will answer God when He says "why did you say or do those things?"
1st "all of the top scholars believed this."
Or 2 " I prayed to you Lord and trusted what You put in my heart."
I'll take choice 2
What God puts in your heart is one thing,
understanding the fulfillment of biblical prophecies is on a whole nother level!
You seem like a really smart person, but then again there are a lot of really smart people in this Room.
Actually almost all of the smartest people in the world,
have tried and failed to interpret the book of Revelation.
It's actually rather comical if you ask me!
Don't you agree?
So, let me ask you a question? Why was the last book of the New Testament, written in the symbolic prophetic style of the Ancient Prophets of Israel? Would not the people of Jerusalem, who were steeped in this culture for the last 4000 yrs, have understood this language, as they were dying and witnessing to their own people and families, of the Messiah and the Israel of Old? Or would it have been written to the rest of the world who hasn't figured it out now for 2000 yrs? The Ancient Prophets of Old Covenant Israel did not ever write prophecies to try to full people, it was to warn them of their sins and the wrath of God; and to remind them of their covenant with God. Old Covenant Israel didn't need God to full them, like the Church today they fool themselves: (the Jews) were fixing to be slaughtered like pigs, in Jerusalem, because God no longer considered them as His chosen people; does this not give you pause, to consider this in your studies? That Babylon the Great Whore was God's wife that was being put to death? That is the Holy City of Jerusalem and all the trappings of the covenant people, that it represented. Anyway that's the best I have for you my friend!
First ProphetExcalibur, I am very happy to be conversing with you brother just wanted to throw that out there. I understand your point of view, I do. As to why the book was written in the prophetic style of ancient prophets is simple to me, I was actually about to bring that up as a reason why I believe it is much more than just an end of an age. These prophecies stretched from far before the NT, we see them in Ezekiel, Isaiah, Joel and many more. I know you believe that "the Last generation, and last days" signifies the last days of the Jews in homeland Israel, but there is just SO MUCH in all of these prophecies to suggest that everything was regarding a time that didn't actually signify "the end." I mean we have prophecies of the return of Christ, global destruction, Jesus reigning for a thousand years. We have Israel returning to the land of promise (1948) there is just soo SOOO much! for all of these country's to be actively getting involved that the bible foretold Syria, Egypt, Russia, China -on and on to be at a time with Israel at the epicenter of the whole world. Increase of diverse earthquakes, (you know where I am going with that.) this just goes on and on and on. Its simply WAY too much. Again this isn't just Revelations, there are several books throughout the bible talking about the same cataclysmic event. Much love brother
and for the record, I think they wrote it that way so we "the last generation" could connect the dots.
just wanted to throw that out there. I understand your point of view, I do. As to why the book was written in the prophetic style of ancient prophets is simple to me, I was actually about to bring that up as a reason why I believe it is much more than just an end of an age. These prophecies stretched from far before the NT, we see them in Ezekiel, Isaiah, Joel and many more. I know you believe that "the Last generation, and last days" signifies the last days of the Jews in homeland Israel, but there is just SO MUCH in all of these prophecies to suggest that everything was regarding a time that didn't actually signify "the end." I mean we have prophecies of the return of Christ, global destruction, Jesus reigning for a thousand years. We have Israel returning to the land of promise (1948) there is just soo SOOO much! for all of these country's to be actively getting involved that the bible foretold Syria, Egypt, Russia, China -on and on to be at a time with Israel at the epicenter of the whole world. Increase of diverse earthquakes, (you know where I am going with that.) this just goes on and on and on. Its simply WAY too much. Again this isn't just Revelations, there are several books throughout the bible talking about the same cataclysmic event. Much love brother and for the record, I think they wrote it that way so we "the last generation" could connect the dots.
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now let me ask you a question ProphetExcalibur. Looking at the world today. With its obvious regression back to the days of ancient Rome, sodom and gomorrah. Sins are running rampant on a global scale increased by technology and acceptance like never before. Why would anyone think God left all this out? This planet is being killed by us, we are about to kill ourselves and all while diving into the deepest spiritual darkness the world has ever seen. At least on the largest scale. Add that to the weather patterns, the signs, the return of Israel.. I don't have the patience to type it all out. I'm actually certain it is far more information than I currently retain. However I am certain almost everyone here, if not everyone knows exactly what I am talking about.
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Acts 10
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And we are witnesses of all things which He did both in the land of the Jews and in Jerusalem, whom theykilled by hanging on a tree. [NKJV]
[SUP]39 [/SUP]We ·saw [witnessed] what Jesus did in [[SUP] [/SUP]the region/country of] Judea and in Jerusalem, but the Jews in Jerusalem [[SUP] [/SUP]they] killed him by hanging him on a ·cross [[SUP]L[/SUP]tree]. [Expanded Version]
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: [KJV]
Why even mention Jerusalem, because Luke is making a point of what the Jew did to Christ in Jerusalem, just because it wasn't within the city walls doesn't make it not Jerusalem.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And we are witnesses of all things which He did both in the land of the Jews and in Jerusalem, whom theykilled by hanging on a tree. [NKJV]
[SUP]39 [/SUP]We ·saw [witnessed] what Jesus did in [[SUP] [/SUP]the region/country of] Judea and in Jerusalem, but the Jews in Jerusalem [[SUP] [/SUP]they] killed him by hanging him on a ·cross [[SUP]L[/SUP]tree]. [Expanded Version]
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: [KJV]
Why even mention Jerusalem, because Luke is making a point of what the Jew did to Christ in Jerusalem, just because it wasn't within the city walls doesn't make it not Jerusalem.
Acts 10
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And we are witnesses of all things which He did both in the land of the Jews and in Jerusalem, whom they killed by hanging on a tree. [NKJV]
[SUP]39 [/SUP]We ·saw [witnessed] what Jesus did in [[SUP] [/SUP]the region/country of] Judea and in Jerusalem, but the Jews in Jerusalem [[SUP] [/SUP]they] killed him by hanging him on a ·cross [[SUP]L[/SUP]tree]. [Expanded Version]
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem;whom they slew and hanged on a tree: [KJV]
John says he was crucified in Golgotha, see:
John 19:17-18, And He, bearing His cross, went out to a place called the Place of a Skull, which is called in the Hebrew, Golgotha, where they crucified Him, and two others with Him, one on either side, and Jesus in the center.
The above verses are not so clear as these.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And we are witnesses of all things which He did both in the land of the Jews and in Jerusalem, whom they killed by hanging on a tree. [NKJV]
[SUP]39 [/SUP]We ·saw [witnessed] what Jesus did in [[SUP] [/SUP]the region/country of] Judea and in Jerusalem, but the Jews in Jerusalem [[SUP] [/SUP]they] killed him by hanging him on a ·cross [[SUP]L[/SUP]tree]. [Expanded Version]
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem;whom they slew and hanged on a tree: [KJV]
John says he was crucified in Golgotha, see:
John 19:17-18, And He, bearing His cross, went out to a place called the Place of a Skull, which is called in the Hebrew, Golgotha, where they crucified Him, and two others with Him, one on either side, and Jesus in the center.
The above verses are not so clear as these.
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That is exactly the problem, thank you! You are trying to interpret this Prophetic Text in the Scriptures, concerning Mystery Babylon the Great Whore (as well as the rest of Prophetic Texts) by looking around the world today, and saying; LOOK isn't this all the fulfilling of Scripture? O My God! I'm going to go jump off a cliff! Who put this garbage in your heads? All the modern day false prophets; Hal Lindsey for one, has for 30 plus years, spewed this stuff out of his mouth, when are people like you going to say enough is enough. I know that he is not the latest and greatest of these evil men, but your 30 yrs old and he has been doing this before you were born; so I get it!!!! I get it!!! You've been saturated with this filth. I heard this crap 50 yrs ago by the fear-mongers in the church of that day. Not all prophecy has been fulfilled,....the glory of the Lord will fill the earth as the water covereth the sea.... etc...... and there is a strand in Revelation that leads through today. But you must interpret Scripture with Scripture, in the contexts of the Covenant, of God and His people. Because it will never matter what the future holds in the 21st Century, if you misinterpret this; that is, what it meant to whom it was written to and why! Most of the horrible things in the book of Revelation was still in these people's foreseeable future, in 50 and 60 ad. I'll talk to you later, I've got to go find that cliff!