Mystery Babylon

[louis]

Can you explain who the G-7 are please?

The Group of seven nations, except from Wikipedia:
The Group of Seven (G7) is a group consisting of Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United Kingdom, and the United States. These countries, with the seven largest IMF-described advanced economies in the world,[1] represent 58% of the global net wealth($317 trillion).[2] The G7 countries also represent more than 46% of the global gross domestic product (GDP) based on nominal values, and more than 32% of the global GDP based on purchasing power parity.[3] The European Union is also represented at the G7 summit.

 

[jb]

Because Jerusalem does not fit.

Your trying to impose the interpretation of rev 17 with Rev 11. These are two different cities,

No they're not, they are the SAME city, hence the 2 definite articles with "great" and "city", which literally means "the city, the great one." (Jerusalem, Rev 11v8)

So how you manage to make two different cities from one beats Scripture and me!

 

[Lanolin]

The Group of seven nations, except from Wikipedia:
The Group of Seven (G7) is a group consisting of Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United Kingdom, and the United States. These countries, with the seven largest IMF-described advanced economies in the world,[1] represent 58% of the global net wealth($317 trillion).[2] The G7 countries also represent more than 46% of the global gross domestic product (GDP) based on nominal values, and more than 32% of the global GDP based on purchasing power parity.[3] The European Union is also represented at the G7 summit.

Interesting, so whoever is the eighth doesnt count as a mountain? . What would they say the eighth one would be if there is one. And who controls the IMF?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No they're not, they are the SAME city, hence the 2 definite articles with "great" and "city", which literally means "the city, the great one." (Jerusalem, Rev 11v8)

So how you manage to make two different cities from one beats Scripture and me!

No they are not the same

In order for them to be the same

1. Jerusalem would have to FIT ALL the characteristics given in Rev 17 It does not
2. Jesus would come back to earth, and split the mount of olives, and then have a totally destroyed usless city which has no temple. with which to start his reign on earth.
3. Dan 9 can NEVER be fulfilled. Because the end result of Dan 9 (the restoration of the city temple to its glory, and the repentance of the people who the city belong to) will never come to completeion. Thus God is considered a liar.

In Rev 11, The great city is jerusalem, no doubt is given, It fits the characteristic (where our savior was crucifies) in rev 17, Jerusalem does not fit. So it MUST be a different city.

The question is, Which city?

 

[louis]

Interesting, so whoever is the eighth doesnt count as a mountain? . What would they say the eighth one would be if there is one. And who controls the IMF?

The IMF and the World Bank are controlled by the G-7. They make the economic policies that reverberate throughout all the worlds nations.
As to who the eiighth might be; maybe it's the rest of the EU's members as mentioned in the Wikipedia excerpt:
[3] The European Union is also represented at the G7 summit.

 

[Lanolin]

The IMF and the World Bank are controlled by the G-7. They make the economic policies that reverberate throughout all the worlds nations.
As to who the eiighth might be; maybe it's the rest of the EU's members as mentioned in the Wikipedia excerpt:
[3] The European Union is also represented at the G7 summit.

Ok what about the ten horns then. Who are they, in your view.

 

[Lanolin]

No they are not the same

In order for them to be the same

1. Jerusalem would have to FIT ALL the characteristics given in Rev 17 It does not
2. Jesus would come back to earth, and split the mount of olives, and then have a totally destroyed usless city which has no temple. with which to start his reign on earth.
3. Dan 9 can NEVER be fulfilled. Because the end result of Dan 9 (the restoration of the city temple to its glory, and the repentance of the people who the city belong to) will never come to completeion. Thus God is considered a liar.

In Rev 11, The great city is jerusalem, no doubt is given, It fits the characteristic (where our savior was crucifies) in rev 17, Jerusalem does not fit. So it MUST be a different city.

The question is, Which city?

Hold on, 2. does Jesus split the mount of olive anyway zechariah 14:4 prophesiesed.
Daniel 9 is coming to fulfilment thats why theres a new Jerusalem coming out of heaven. To replace the old one thats being destroyed!

As for rev 17, jury is out on that one but, Im thinking ok, why would the new Jersualem need to come down from out of heaven, surely the old one must be done away with before so the new one can come down. Something must happen to it. Surely. Or what, it just stays the same and they get news reports that rome is destoryed. The people in jersualem wouldnt be affected that much if Rome was destroyed. It would make no difference really, as Gods heart isnt for Rome.

I mean sure, Jonah got sent to Ninevah and it was destroyd, later on, but it was not nearly as wicked as sodom and gomorrah at the time. Maybe rome has a lot of paedophiles, I dunno. JEsus did say people that hurt his little ones should have a millstone arou dtheir neck and be flung into the sea.

But it doesnt follow that when Rome is destoryed only then can Jesus return with the new Jerusalem.

 

[louis]

Ok what about the ten horns then. Who are they, in your view.

Horns in the bible are often a methaphor for the military of a nation.
Currently, one then sees there being only seven militaries for the G-7, one military for each nation.
This is where it gets a little complicated.
In Daniel 7:7-8, we see the fourth beast who has ten horns, from whom a little horn rises, who has a mouth and speaks great things.
In Daniel 8:5-8 we see a he-goats prominent horn, who after traversing the whole earth without touching the ground with its air force, annhilates the lands of Media and Persia, (which today represent the lands of Iran and Iraq); then becomes strong from this conquest, upon which the prominent horn is then broken and secedes into four horns.
It is from one of these 4 seceded horns from which the little horn comes out from.
If we now take these data and apply them to the ten horned beast from which the little horn rises, we then see that originally there were only seven horns to the beast of ten horns, until the he-goat members secession into four horns. We then would have 6 horns to six of the beasts members + 4 horns for its seceded member, totalling 10 horns/militaries.

Daniel 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Daniel 8:5 And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes.
6 And he came to the ram that had two horns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power.
7 And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand.
8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.
9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

 

[Lanolin]

Horns in the bible are often a methaphor for the military of a nation.
Currently, one then sees there being only seven militaries for the G-7, one military for each nation.
This is where it gets a little complicated.
In Daniel 7:7-8, we see the fourth beast who has ten horns, from whom a little horn rises, who has a mouth and speaks great things.
In Daniel 8:5-8 we see a he-goats prominent horn, who after traversing the whole earth without touching the ground with its air force, annhilates the lands of Media and Persia, (which today represent the lands of Iran and Iraq); then becomes strong from this conquest, upon which the prominent horn is then broken and secedes into four horns.
It is from one of these 4 seceded horns from which the little horn comes out from.
If we now take these data and apply them to the ten horned beast from which the little horn rises, we then see that originally there were only seven horns to the beast of ten horns, until the he-goat members secession into four horns. We then would have 6 horns to six of the beasts members + 4 horns for its seceded member, totalling 10 horns/militaries.

Daniel 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Daniel 8:5 And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes.
6 And he came to the ram that had two horns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power.
7 And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand.
8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.
9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

Oh ok thats the first ive heard that horns represent military. I never thought of it that way. I was always a bit puzzled by references to horns in the Bible. Thanks.

 

[Lanolin]

I found out that Qatar has the highest income per capita of any country in the world. Doha is its city.
Could this be a type of Babylon?

 

[louis]

I found out that Qatar has the highest income per capita of any country in the world. Doha is its city.
Could this be a type of Babylon?

Nahum 3:4 is about Babylon the Great.

Nahum 3:4 Because of the multitude of the whoredoms of the wellfavoured harlot, the mistress of witchcrafts, that selleth nations through her whoredoms, and families through her witchcrafts.

 

[Lanolin]

Nahum 3:4 is about Babylon the Great.

Nahum 3:4 Because of the multitude of the whoredoms of the wellfavoured harlot, the mistress of witchcrafts, that selleth nations through her whoredoms, and families through her witchcrafts.

It seems to be talking about Ninevah in this book.

 

[louis]

It seems to be talking about Ninevah in this book.

Yeah, it's talking about the Assyrians, where Babylon existed. So the question now is: Is Nahum 3:4 about ancient Babylon being the mistress of witchcrafts, who sold nations through her whoredoms, and families through her witchcrafts, or is this about modern Babylon the great to whom is attributed the sorceries in Revelation 9:21, and all who are killed throughout the earth (Revelation 18:24)?


Nahum 3:4 Because of the multitude of the whoredoms of the wellfavoured harlot, the mistress of witchcrafts, that selleth nations through her whoredoms, and families through her witchcrafts.

Revelation 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

 

[iamsoandso]

Seems like someone would point out that Peter said he was writing from Babylon and that would rule out the RCC,US,Cuba,Mexico ,Islam ect. which did not yet exist,lol

 

[Lanolin]

Seems like someone would point out that Peter said he was writing from Babylon and that would rule out the RCC,US,Cuba,Mexico ,Islam ect. which did not yet exist,lol

Yea the church that is in Babylon...so Babylon was just referring to actual Babylon? Or did he mean something else.

1 Peter 5:13

So puzzling for us 21st century readers.

 

[louis]

If according to the Lord in Jonah 4:11, the 60 thousand+ inhabitants of old Ninevah couldn't differentiate their right hand from their left hand, and were comparable to cattle; how then can Ninevah of old be the mistress of witchcrafts, who sold nations through her whoredoms, and families through her witchcrafts?

Jonah 4:11 And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?

 

[louis]

Seems like someone would point out that Peter said he was writing from Babylon and that would rule out the RCC,US,Cuba,Mexico ,Islam ect. which did not yet exist,lol

I thought Peter was one of the apostles who remained in Judea and preached to the Jews, while Paul was the apostle who travelled about a bit.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

Oh interesting, but what about the seven mountains or seven kings..who are they?
I dont know if I would agree with this although have heard that theory. But then what about all the non european peoples. Would they be gentiles.

The prophesies of Revelation have gradually been fullfilled as history has unfolded. God promised this in Deuteronomy 18:21-22

1st Beast is the Roman Empire, which slaughtered Christians and then made Christianity its official religion. This was the mortal wound which healed. Chrisitanity then was controlled by the Roman Emperor (1st beast). The Roman emperor was the one who appointed the Pope (2nd Beast). Therefore, you have the 2nd Beast which operated in the presence and authority of the 1st beast.

1st Beast represents STATE

The 2nd beast represents the Medieval Catholic church. Every numbered beast (i.e. 1st or 2nd or 3rd...) rises, reigns for a period, then falls. The 2nd beast rose with the decline of the roman empire, it reigned during the middle ages, it began its decline during the protestant reformation and it fell during the reign of Napolean.

2nd Beast represents CHURCH

The Whore of Bablyon is the continuation of the 2nd Beast.
Whore of Bablyon is the Roman Catholic Church began somewhere in the 1800s to present day.
The seven hills are where Rome and the Vatican sit.

The beast that the whore rides on is a continuation of the 1st Beast which represents different kingdoms or STATES that followed the roman empire which declined and ended (1st Beast).

The beast that the whore rides on was, and is not, and is to come.
This beast is a continuation of the 1st beast

The beast Was = former monarchies and empires (i.e. holy roman empire and its kings)

and is not = the rise of democratic governments.
We are currently here where the beast is not.

But if you follow the trends in politics and the move toward socialism, you see that the world's democratic governments are slowly bankrupting the west, loosing its culture, and the democratic governments will fall paving the way for the beast that is to come again.

The five kings which have fallen are of the beast which the Whore rides on.
They are the kings of Rome/Italy during the 1800s to 1900s)

1) Napolean 1805-1814

gap of time after napoleon in which Italy unified into the Kingdom of Italy and the papal states ended.

2) Victor Emmanual II 1861 - 1878
3) Umberto I 1878-1900
4) Victor Emmanual III 1900-1946
5) Umberto II 1946-1946

Italy becomes Democratic Republic in 1946 to Present - the beast is not

So today the beast is not. And this is the beast that the Roman Catholic Church (Whore of Bablyon) is riding on.

Who are the 6th and 7th kings? They have not yet come.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

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[kaijo]

The woman riding the beast represents the Babylonian religion which has endured since the time of Nimrod up until this time. Every religion of the world apart from Christianity are denominations of the Babylonian mystery religion. She is riding a beast with 7 heads. The first head represents the kingdom of Babylon. The second head (i presume) represents Persia. The third, fourth, fifth and sixth heads represent Rome. And the seventh head represents a kingdom of our generation. So, if she is riding a beast that represents kingdoms that spans from the time of Nebuchadnezzar (King of Babylon) until now, then she has existed since the time of Babylon until now. And has guided each of those world powers as they have come and gone through the various religions that they have followed, which stem from her.