MYSTERY, BABYLON
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Revelation is symbolic so that is symbolic, it is not talking about Jerusalem but:-
Revelation 11:8
(8) And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Spiritually Christ was crucified in Sodom and Egypt.
Revelation 11:8
(8) And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Spiritually Christ was crucified in Sodom and Egypt.
huh?
what's hitler got to do with this? (incidentally....ever looked into WHO HELPED HITLER? .....IBM) you think he just popped up from NOWHERE?
IBM AND THE HOLOCAUST
http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com/
BABYLONIAN TALMUD << A RELIGION
DO YOU CARE ABOUT A RELIGION THAT SAYS:
Jesus is boiling in hell in hot excrement
His mother was a whore
He was a magician
all gentiles are SERPENT SEED (yes, that's where the stinking doctrine comes from - zohar)
etc.
christian zionists ARE SENDING MEN TO DIE and all their $$ for THAT RELIGION.
what's hitler got to do with this? (incidentally....ever looked into WHO HELPED HITLER? .....IBM) you think he just popped up from NOWHERE?
IBM AND THE HOLOCAUST
http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com/
BABYLONIAN TALMUD << A RELIGION
DO YOU CARE ABOUT A RELIGION THAT SAYS:
Jesus is boiling in hell in hot excrement
His mother was a whore
He was a magician
all gentiles are SERPENT SEED (yes, that's where the stinking doctrine comes from - zohar)
etc.
christian zionists ARE SENDING MEN TO DIE and all their $$ for THAT RELIGION.
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I'm sorry that I started this. I thought it would be interesting to see peoples different views of what they thought Babylon represented. I had no idea that there were so many different things taught by so many different people. I hope that no hard feelings have been caused by this.
My personal view of this is that some things in the bible are only discerned spiritually. Spiritually the prophecies happen now. The bible is now happening, spiritually. The prophecy of the dry bones, now spiritually. The prophecy of the heart of flesh, now spiritually. Rapture, now spiritually. The bible says we all see through a glass darkly. That is speaking spiritually. We don't see clearly yet so of course we will all have different views and ideas. What seems so clear to some is not seen by others, that is obvious. I'm not claiming to be an expert, I am just telling you my experience. My view is likely to change the next time I read through the bible. Each time I read this amazing book I find more and more information I missed the times before.
I hope that people will not take personally an attack on their beliefs. Remember we are called to repent continually. Maybe our view needs help and is not 100% correct. Maybe our view is only partially correct. Especially if our view comes from teachings by other men.
God Bless You
My personal view of this is that some things in the bible are only discerned spiritually. Spiritually the prophecies happen now. The bible is now happening, spiritually. The prophecy of the dry bones, now spiritually. The prophecy of the heart of flesh, now spiritually. Rapture, now spiritually. The bible says we all see through a glass darkly. That is speaking spiritually. We don't see clearly yet so of course we will all have different views and ideas. What seems so clear to some is not seen by others, that is obvious. I'm not claiming to be an expert, I am just telling you my experience. My view is likely to change the next time I read through the bible. Each time I read this amazing book I find more and more information I missed the times before.
I hope that people will not take personally an attack on their beliefs. Remember we are called to repent continually. Maybe our view needs help and is not 100% correct. Maybe our view is only partially correct. Especially if our view comes from teachings by other men.
God Bless You
Is that the rule is it?
Lets just choose a Rev verse at random...here...
(Revelation 18:3) For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
I've redded two words.
Tell me, are they both symbolic or are they both literal?
Lets just choose a Rev verse at random...here...
(Revelation 18:3) For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
I've redded two words.
Tell me, are they both symbolic or are they both literal?
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wow thats a desolation? I did not know flag standards were an abomination to the lord. or even considered very "unclean" by the jews.
a look at the greek and hebrew would let us know what is said.
abomination.
In the hebrew, it is something that represented detestable uncleansliness. or a vile idol and the pagaon God which represents it.
In the Greek we have a detestable thing, or also an idol
Desolation.
Hebrew: means to be appalled or devastated. Shocked or astonished.
Greek: A horrible thing which defiles
In maccabees we have antiochus epiphanes commiting this abomination by taking an unclean detestable thing to the jews (A pig) And slaughtering it in the holie of holies. This would be an abomination to the jews because it is a detestable thing, considered uncl;ean. and is the worse way yuou could offend a jew.
A flad standard would not be considered a "detestable" or even "unclean" thing for the jews. now would it cause the templet be desolate, as it was not considered by the jews to be a Horrible thing which defiles.
I like that you at least tried. But that would not be an abomination to the jews.
This does not matter anyway. "The prince who is to come" Could not have been titus. as he was the "people of the prince to come" not the prince himself. This shows he was a future prince who would come from these people. It also says he made a one week covenant with the people. what seven year covenant did Titus make 3 1/2 years before he did this?
a look at the greek and hebrew would let us know what is said.
abomination.
In the hebrew, it is something that represented detestable uncleansliness. or a vile idol and the pagaon God which represents it.
In the Greek we have a detestable thing, or also an idol
Desolation.
Hebrew: means to be appalled or devastated. Shocked or astonished.
Greek: A horrible thing which defiles
In maccabees we have antiochus epiphanes commiting this abomination by taking an unclean detestable thing to the jews (A pig) And slaughtering it in the holie of holies. This would be an abomination to the jews because it is a detestable thing, considered uncl;ean. and is the worse way yuou could offend a jew.
A flad standard would not be considered a "detestable" or even "unclean" thing for the jews. now would it cause the templet be desolate, as it was not considered by the jews to be a Horrible thing which defiles.
I like that you at least tried. But that would not be an abomination to the jews.
This does not matter anyway. "The prince who is to come" Could not have been titus. as he was the "people of the prince to come" not the prince himself. This shows he was a future prince who would come from these people. It also says he made a one week covenant with the people. what seven year covenant did Titus make 3 1/2 years before he did this?
EG have you calmed down enough to answer this post?
Are you still claiming that Israel/Jerusalem was not called a harlot in the OT?
Then Ezekiel is a false prophet yes, when he talks to Jerusalem thus:
(Ezekiel 16:35) Wherefore, O harlot, hear the word of the LORD:
(Ezekiel 16:36) Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thy filthiness was poured out, and thy nakedness discovered through thy whoredoms with thy lovers, and with all the idols of thy abominations, and by the blood of thy children, which thou didst give unto them;
???
Look again at the strongs concordance of what the word means:
HARLOT - H2181
זנה
zânâh
zaw-naw'
A primitive root (highly fed and therefore wanton); to commit adultery (usually of the female, and less often of simple forniciation, rarely of involuntary ravishment); figuratively to commit idolatry (the Jewish people being regarded as the spouse of Jehovah): - (cause to) commit fornication, X continually, X great, (be an, play the) harlot, (cause to be, play the) whore, (commit, fall to) whoredom, (cause to) go a-whoring, whorish.
Do you still claim a wife cannot be a harlot?
If you could just put aside your hatred for Catholics for just a second and answer this I'd be most gratified.
Are you still claiming that Israel/Jerusalem was not called a harlot in the OT?
Then Ezekiel is a false prophet yes, when he talks to Jerusalem thus:
(Ezekiel 16:35) Wherefore, O harlot, hear the word of the LORD:
(Ezekiel 16:36) Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thy filthiness was poured out, and thy nakedness discovered through thy whoredoms with thy lovers, and with all the idols of thy abominations, and by the blood of thy children, which thou didst give unto them;
???
Look again at the strongs concordance of what the word means:
HARLOT - H2181
זנה
zânâh
zaw-naw'
A primitive root (highly fed and therefore wanton); to commit adultery (usually of the female, and less often of simple forniciation, rarely of involuntary ravishment); figuratively to commit idolatry (the Jewish people being regarded as the spouse of Jehovah): - (cause to) commit fornication, X continually, X great, (be an, play the) harlot, (cause to be, play the) whore, (commit, fall to) whoredom, (cause to) go a-whoring, whorish.
Do you still claim a wife cannot be a harlot?
If you could just put aside your hatred for Catholics for just a second and answer this I'd be most gratified.
CLARKE:
Mat 24:15
The abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel - This abomination of desolation, St. Luke, (Luk_21:20, Luk_21:21), refers to the Roman army; and this abomination standing in the holy place is the Roman army besieging Jerusalem; this, our Lord says, is what was spoken of by Daniel the prophet, in the ninth and eleventh chapters of his prophecy; and so let every one who reads these prophecies understand them; and in reference to this very event they are understood by the rabbins. The Roman army is called an abomination, for its ensigns and images, which were so to the Jews. Josephus says, (War, b. vi. chap. 6), the Romans brought their ensigns into the temple, and placed them over against the eastern gate, and sacrificed to them there. The Roman army is therefore fitly called the abomination, and the abomination which maketh desolate, as it was to desolate and lay waste Jerusalem; and this army besieging Jerusalem is called by St. Mark, Mar_13:14, standing where it ought not, that is, as in the text here, the holy place; as not only the city, but a considerable compass of ground about it, was deemed holy, and consequently no profane persons should stand on it.
Mat 24:15
The abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel - This abomination of desolation, St. Luke, (Luk_21:20, Luk_21:21), refers to the Roman army; and this abomination standing in the holy place is the Roman army besieging Jerusalem; this, our Lord says, is what was spoken of by Daniel the prophet, in the ninth and eleventh chapters of his prophecy; and so let every one who reads these prophecies understand them; and in reference to this very event they are understood by the rabbins. The Roman army is called an abomination, for its ensigns and images, which were so to the Jews. Josephus says, (War, b. vi. chap. 6), the Romans brought their ensigns into the temple, and placed them over against the eastern gate, and sacrificed to them there. The Roman army is therefore fitly called the abomination, and the abomination which maketh desolate, as it was to desolate and lay waste Jerusalem; and this army besieging Jerusalem is called by St. Mark, Mar_13:14, standing where it ought not, that is, as in the text here, the holy place; as not only the city, but a considerable compass of ground about it, was deemed holy, and consequently no profane persons should stand on it.
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Romes dogma? You mean amillenialism? Yes I do. Because it is from Rome. I can not see it being from God.
Yes it is about Doctrine. It is also about My God. Who is dishonored when people say his prophesies will not literally come true.
A false prophet can make a symbolic prophesy and it will probably come true. does that make him a prophet of God?
The thing that seperates God from false prophets. is when he says in this day, in this many years. on this hour or whatever, this is going to happen. It happens exactly as God said it would happen.
anything less than this makes God out to be no greater a prophet than all the false prophets out there. so yes, we should be upset when someone says God can not prophesy to the date, the year, the moment.
I am not talking about pre-trib, mid trib or post trib. I have not even made up my mind about these things. to many unanswered questions. And it seems like everytime I study it another question arises. I am talking about saying when God says he will reign for 1000 years. he means 1000 years. When he says messiah will die immediately following the 69th week. he will die. When he says he will bring the whole house of Israel after they are scattered throughout the world because of their sin he will do it. There is so much in the prophets about This. I can't just ignore it. I also can't twist it and make it the church. because God also says in those same books of the prophets how the gentiles will receive the lord. Just like in Romans where the whole book says jew and gentile are the same. Yet in chapter 11 he separates them. I can't see why God would say something he never planned to do.
Yes it is about Doctrine. It is also about My God. Who is dishonored when people say his prophesies will not literally come true.
A false prophet can make a symbolic prophesy and it will probably come true. does that make him a prophet of God?
The thing that seperates God from false prophets. is when he says in this day, in this many years. on this hour or whatever, this is going to happen. It happens exactly as God said it would happen.
anything less than this makes God out to be no greater a prophet than all the false prophets out there. so yes, we should be upset when someone says God can not prophesy to the date, the year, the moment.
I am not talking about pre-trib, mid trib or post trib. I have not even made up my mind about these things. to many unanswered questions. And it seems like everytime I study it another question arises. I am talking about saying when God says he will reign for 1000 years. he means 1000 years. When he says messiah will die immediately following the 69th week. he will die. When he says he will bring the whole house of Israel after they are scattered throughout the world because of their sin he will do it. There is so much in the prophets about This. I can't just ignore it. I also can't twist it and make it the church. because God also says in those same books of the prophets how the gentiles will receive the lord. Just like in Romans where the whole book says jew and gentile are the same. Yet in chapter 11 he separates them. I can't see why God would say something he never planned to do.
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lol Zone. Where does this come from? I am talking about Antisemetism.. Again did you read what I posted he said should happen to all Jews? He got this belief from the catholic church. The same catholic church who created ammilenialism.
Do I care about that religion? Yes. And I will speak against it. But that religion doing what it is doing does not mean they are the harlot. Or that there will be 1000 year reign. If you want to talk about them. lets do it. But that is not the topic here. the topic is ammilenialism vs pre.
Do I care about that religion? Yes. And I will speak against it. But that religion doing what it is doing does not mean they are the harlot. Or that there will be 1000 year reign. If you want to talk about them. lets do it. But that is not the topic here. the topic is ammilenialism vs pre.
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What is significant to me is truth Abiding. Maybe you dont't care to seek truth? we just want to explain things away so our beliefs can be true no matter what? Why would I want to do that? I would never think I know it all. and I test all things. as ALL people should.
No it is not significant. Why? Ceasar was not a God. The flags were not an Idol. Neither were those things an abomination. Your trying to compair a flag with the most abominable thing ever taken to the temple. a pig.
not even close! That is not an abomination. It might be a desecration. but it is not an abomination. because it is neither idol or unclean thing.
Thats Why I showed you the greek and hebrew.
But I guess that does not matter!
No it is not significant. Why? Ceasar was not a God. The flags were not an Idol. Neither were those things an abomination. Your trying to compair a flag with the most abominable thing ever taken to the temple. a pig.
not even close! That is not an abomination. It might be a desecration. but it is not an abomination. because it is neither idol or unclean thing.
Thats Why I showed you the greek and hebrew.
But I guess that does not matter!
