Nationalism and the Christian

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

Dino246

Senior Member
Jun 30, 2015
24,787
13,417
113
Simple question: "You're ok with dropping nukes on children?"
You have ignored my simple questions; I'm just treating you as you want to be treated.
 

Duckybill

Well-known member
Aug 16, 2021
1,145
221
63
You have ignored my simple questions; I'm just treating you as you want to be treated.
Ok, then we must assume you're ok with murdering THOUSANDS of children because our corrupt politicians say so?
 
Jan 14, 2021
1,599
526
113
Ok, then we must assume you're ok with murdering THOUSANDS of children because our corrupt politicians say so?
We have a few key terms that need to be addressed.

1) Murder

Murder is unlawful killing. Wartime efforts are usually considered to be legally sanctioned by the government one is under. In 1 Sam 15:3 we see God commanding the people through Samuel to kill children and infants. Was this murder? No, because it was lawfully sanctioned killing (unless you are suggesting that God could be guilty of inciting murder?).

"Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." - 1 Samuel 15:3 KJV

The question you are reasonably trying to ask should be "Are you OK with killing thousands of children because politicians have made it law to do so?"

2) Innocence

We see that despite infants having neither done good nor evil, they are elected to different things:

"(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth; )" - Romans 9:11

We also see that all have sinned:

"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" - Romans 3:23 KJV

3) Political Corruption

We see that we are instructed to follow authorities that have been placed over us:

"Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God." - Romans 13:1 KJV

If this is the case, what are the higher governing powers considered to be? One cannot have two masters. If we follow the orders of a local government and one from afar we run into trouble:

"No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other." - Luke 16:13a

Summarising Example:

If one was in the military and was told "go kill that child soldier" we may see how there is a moral dilemma which depends on how we observe Romans 13:1. It might be the case that the child soldier never killed anyone (although it is a common initiation practise to force a child soldier to kill someone) and just happened to be recruited. So that would fit the scenario of an "innocent child" and we can call them a victim of war but that doesn't change the fact that they are an armed enemy combatant ready to do the bidding of their masters.

Our conscience could tell us how to best handle the situation, but maybe not. If we have internal conflict but still perform the action, that internal conflict can come up as PTSD later in the case of the person that killed the child soldier in combat.

There is a moral dilemma here that I don't feel like I have a clear answer to. I'd like to have input on this though.
 

Melach

Well-known member
Mar 28, 2019
2,026
1,512
113
What we find in the OT is that suitable males were expected to fight for Israel as needed.
can you show me the verse(s)?

not doubting you just want to see them.
 

Nehemiah6

Senior Member
Jul 18, 2017
24,610
13,019
113
can you show me the verse(s)? not doubting you just want to see them.
NUMBERS 1: BATTLE READY ISRAELITES (also chapter 26:1,2)
1 And the LORD spake unto Moses in the wilderness of Sinai, in the tabernacle of the congregation, on the first day of the second month, in the second year after they were come out of the land of Egypt, saying,
2 Take ye the sum of all the congregation of the children of Israel, after their families, by the house of their fathers, with the number of their names, every male by their polls;
3 From twenty years old and upward, all that are able to go forth to war in Israel: thou and Aaron shall number them by their armies.