Neat discovery about 12,000

[Bowman]

Do you realize that the 144,000 are EXACTLY who GOD said they were? All will be JEWS, and Equal number from each LITERAL tribe of Israel? They will be Sealed in their mortal bodies during the Great Tribulation, so that they can repopulate HIS KINGDOM as HE rules from David's Throne. What happened to the REST? All of those who are not part of the 144,000 who turn to Receive Yeshua as Messiah and LORD, will become part of the martyred (beheaded) Tribulation Saints, and all the REST who do receive the mark of the Beast (probably an implanted mini-microchip the size of a grain of salt), will be killed by His WORD at HIS Second Coming:

Revelation 19:21 (HCSB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] The rest were killed with the sword that came from the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.

The 144,000 represents spiritual Israel, as dictated by the text.

Not a literal number, but a symbolic, spiritual number for the ones taking The Son as God, as thus...


Rev 7.4 - 9

And I heard the number of those having been sealed: one hundred forty four thousands, having been sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel: Out of the tribe of Judah, twelve thousand having been sealed. Out of the tribe of Reuben, twelve thousand having been sealed. Out of the tribe of Gad, twelve thousand having been sealed. Out of the tribe of Asher, twelve thousand having been sealed. Out of the tribe of Naphtali, twelve thousand having been sealed. Out of the tribe of Manasseh, twelve thousand having been sealed. Out of the tribe of Simeon, twelve thousand having been sealed. Out of the tribe of Levi, twelve thousand having been sealed. Out of the tribe of Issachar, twelve thousand having been sealed. Out of the tribe of Zebulun, twelve thousand having been sealed. Out of the tribe of Joseph, twelve thousand having been sealed. Out of the tribe of Benjamin, twelve thousand having been sealed. After these things I saw, and behold, a great crowd which no one was able to number them, out of every nation, even tribes and peoples and tongues, standing in front of the throne, and before the Lamb, having been clothed with white robes, and in their hands palm branches.


Observe that John first 'hears' their number....then He 'sees' their number....and their number was innumerable...

Not a literal 144,000.

Not Jews.

But representing ALL believers in the Triune God.

 

[VCO]

Do they measure cubits with numbers? LoL you are funny.
I got the numbers from God's word silly. I love Gods word its exciting to read.
Heres a little tip on where you can find the 10 commandments. They are in exodus, the 2nd book of the Bible 2X10 =20 Exodus ch 20! ftw!!!

Is it funny to you to think that we are to LOVE the LORD by studying HIS WORDS and Commandments, and then DOING THEM?

Matthew 28:19-20 (NKJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.

As for the cubits, one cubit is elbow to the tip of the middle finger. You do not have to have a tape ruler with you to come very close to knowing if something will fit. For example, if I was buying a new Washing Machine, how am I going to know if it will fit through the doorway of this trailer house? The doorways in this trailer house are approximately 6 inches less than two cubits, and the average width of a man's four fingers is 3 inches. HENCE, I do not have to have my tape ruler with me.

 

[miktre]

Is it funny to you to think that we are to LOVE the LORD by studying HIS WORDS and Commandments, and then DOING THEM?

Matthew 28:19-20 (NKJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.

As for the cubits, one cubit is elbow to the tip of the middle finger. You do not have to have a tape ruler with you to come very close to knowing if something will fit. For example, if I was buying a new Washing Machine, how am I going to know if it will fit through the doorway of this trailer house? The doorways in this trailer house are approximately 6 inches less than two cubits, and the average width of a man's four fingers is 3 inches. HENCE, I do not have to have my tape ruler with me.

No, whats funny is your strange assumptions.

As for the cubits, tell me something I don't know.

 

[VCO]

The 144,000 represents spiritual Israel, as dictated by the text.

Not a literal number, but a symbolic, spiritual number for the ones taking The Son as God, as thus...


Rev 7.4 - 9

And I heard the number of those having been sealed: one hundred forty four thousands, having been sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel: Out of the tribe of Judah, twelve thousand having been sealed. Out of the tribe of Reuben, twelve thousand having been sealed. Out of the tribe of Gad, twelve thousand having been sealed. Out of the tribe of Asher, twelve thousand having been sealed. Out of the tribe of Naphtali, twelve thousand having been sealed. Out of the tribe of Manasseh, twelve thousand having been sealed. Out of the tribe of Simeon, twelve thousand having been sealed. Out of the tribe of Levi, twelve thousand having been sealed. Out of the tribe of Issachar, twelve thousand having been sealed. Out of the tribe of Zebulun, twelve thousand having been sealed. Out of the tribe of Joseph, twelve thousand having been sealed. Out of the tribe of Benjamin, twelve thousand having been sealed. After these things I saw, and behold, a great crowd which no one was able to number them, out of every nation, even tribes and peoples and tongues, standing in front of the throne, and before the Lamb, having been clothed with white robes, and in their hands palm branches.


Observe that John first 'hears' their number....then He 'sees' their number....and their number was innumerable...

Not a literal 144,000.

Not Jews.

But representing ALL believers in the Triune God.

That is NOT talking about a single one of the 144,000, THAT is the Raptured Churches in Heaven for the Wedding of the Lamb. We are NOT spiritual Israelites. Yes we have the faith of Abraham, but that does NOT make us spiritual Israelites. WHY NOT? Because Abraham was NOT an Israelite, he was from UR of the Chaldees, so if you want to call us spiritual Chaldeans, I will accept that, but we are not spiritual Israelites.

GOD said it SO SPECIFIC THAT NO ONE COULD MISTAKE IT? Is it you coveting their Old Covenant Relationship? We have a BETTER COVENANT, we go into the Kingdom in our Immortal Bodies, while the 144,000 go into the Kingdom in their Mortal Bodies.

LOOK HOW PLAIN THIS IS WRITTEN:

1 Chronicles 16:17-18 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant,
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Saying, Unto thee will I give the land of Canaan, the lot of your inheritance;

By the 144,000 ALL being literal Jews, the MORTALS going into HIS KINGDOM are the PROOF that GOD keeps HIS WORD.

Revelation 7:1-10 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] After these things I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, on the sea, or on any tree.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Then I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God. And he cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea,
[SUP]3 [/SUP] saying, "Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads."

[SUP]4 [/SUP] And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand
of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed:

[SUP]5 [/SUP] of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Gad twelve thousand were sealed;

[SUP]6 [/SUP] of the tribe of Asher twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand were sealed;

[SUP]7 [/SUP] of the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Levi twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand were sealed;

[SUP]8 [/SUP] of the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Benjamin twelve thousand were sealed.

[SUP]9 [/SUP] After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, {That is the called out Bride of Christ, the Church in Heaven for the Wedding of the Lamb, while the 144,000 are still on Earth in the Mortal Bodies, experiencing the 70th Week of Daniel, and Great Tribulation.}
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and crying out with a loud voice, saying, "Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!"

 

[The_highwayman]

That is NOT talking about a single one of the 144,000, THAT is the Raptured Churches in Heaven for the Wedding of the Lamb. We are NOT spiritual Israelites. Yes we have the faith of Abraham, but that does NOT make us spiritual Israelites. WHY NOT? Because Abraham was NOT an Israelite, he was from UR of the Chaldees, so if you want to call us spiritual Chaldeans, I will accept that, but we are not spiritual Israelites.

GOD said it SO SPECIFIC THAT NO ONE COULD MISTAKE IT? Is it you coveting their Old Covenant Relationship? We have a BETTER COVENANT, we go into the Kingdom in our Immortal Bodies, while the 144,000 go into the Kingdom in their Mortal Bodies.

LOOK HOW PLAIN THIS IS WRITTEN:

1 Chronicles 16:17-18 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant,
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Saying, Unto thee will I give the land of Canaan, the lot of your inheritance;

By the 144,000 ALL being literal Jews, the MORTALS going into HIS KINGDOM are the PROOF that GOD keeps HIS WORD.

Revelation 7:1-10 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] After these things I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, on the sea, or on any tree.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Then I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God. And he cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea,
[SUP]3 [/SUP] saying, "Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads."

[SUP]4 [/SUP] And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand
of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed:

[SUP]5 [/SUP] of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Gad twelve thousand were sealed;

[SUP]6 [/SUP] of the tribe of Asher twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand were sealed;

[SUP]7 [/SUP] of the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Levi twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand were sealed;

[SUP]8 [/SUP] of the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Benjamin twelve thousand were sealed.

[SUP]9 [/SUP] After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, {That is the called out Bride of Christ, the Church in Heaven for the Wedding of the Lamb, while the 144,000 are still on Earth in the Mortal Bodies, experiencing the 70th Week of Daniel, and Great Tribulation.}
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and crying out with a loud voice, saying, "Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!"

Sorry,
The Bible say's Abram/Abraham was a Hebrew

Genesis 14.13

[SUP]13 [/SUP]And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram the Hebrew; for he dwelt in the plain of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eshcol, and brother of Aner: and these were confederate with Abram.

 

[VCO]

Sorry,
The Bible say's Abram/Abraham was a Hebrew

Genesis 14.13

[SUP]13 [/SUP]And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram the Hebrew; for he dwelt in the plain of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eshcol, and brother of Aner: and these were confederate with Abram.

Genesis 11:27-28 (ASV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] Now these are the generations of Terah. Terah begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran. And Haran begat Lot.
[SUP]28 [/SUP] And Haran died before his father Terah in the land of his nativity, in Ur of the Chaldees.

Genesis 15:2 (ASV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] And Abram said, O Lord Jehovah, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and he that shall be possessor of my house is Eliezer of Damascus?

Genesis 15:7 (ASV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And he said unto him, I am Jehovah that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it.

Matthew 1:2 (ASV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judah and his brethren;

Genesis 32:28 (ASV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for thou hast striven with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

THERE WERE NO ISRAELITES AT ALL IN ABRAHAM'S GENERATION,
JACOB the grandson of Abraham was the VERY FIRST ISRAELITE.

 

[VCO]

The concept of spiritual Israelites, is NOT BIBLICAL. It is a made up concept by those who covet the Everlasting or Eternal Covenant that GOD has with Israel, HIS CHOSEN NATION. They forget that the Church has a BETTER COVENANT, that is not a hostile take over of God's Covenant with Israel.

1 Chronicles 16:17-18 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant,
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Saying, Unto thee will I give the land of Canaan, the lot of your inheritance;

Jeremiah 33:14-17 (ESV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] “Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will fulfill the promise I made to the house of Israel and the house of Judah.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] In those days and at that time I will cause a righteous Branch to spring up for David, and he shall execute justice and righteousness in the land.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] In those days Judah will be saved, and Jerusalem will dwell securely. And this is the name by which it will be called: ‘The LORD is our righteousness.’
[SUP]17 [/SUP] “For thus says the LORD: David shall never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel,

Luke 1:32-33 (NKJV)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David.
[SUP]33 [/SUP] And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end."

1 Chronicles 16:13-15 (NIV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] O descendants of Israel his servant, O sons of Jacob, his chosen ones.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] He is the LORD our God; his judgments are in all the earth.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] He remembers his covenant forever, the word he commanded, for a thousand generations,


HOW THEN is our Church-age Covenant BETTER? We enter HIS KINGDOM in our immortal Bodies, while the 144,000 sealed who are all of the House of Israel, only enter HIS KINGDOM in their Mortal Bodies.

Hebrews 8:6-11 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] But Jesus has now obtained a superior ministry, and to that degree He is the mediator of a better covenant, which has been legally enacted on better promises.
{Second Covenant with the Church, NOT ISRAEL.}
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For if that first ⌊covenant⌋ had been faultless, there would have been no occasion for a second one.

[SUP]8 [/SUP] But finding fault with His people, He says: Look, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— {a new Covenant with Israel, after the Church-age, during the 70th WEEK of DANIEL.}
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not like the covenant that I made with their ancestors on the day I took them by their hands to lead them out of the land of Egypt. I disregarded them, says the Lord, because they did not continue in My covenant.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israelafter those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be My people. {after the Church-age, during the 70th WEEK of DANIEL, and ON INTO THE KINGDOM in their Mortal Bodies.}
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And each person will not teach his fellow citizen, and each his brother, saying, “Know the Lord,” because they will all know Me, from the least to the greatest of them. {These statements are clearly talking about events that take place AFTER the Church-age, during the 70th WEEK of DANIEL and ON INTO THE KINGDOM as the 144,000 literal Israelites experience THEIR new covenant.}

It is NOT a mystery, it is as PLAIN as the print on the page. GOD IS NOT FINISHED WITH ISRAEL. The mystery is how on God's green earth did you ever think GOD WOULD NOT KEEP HIS PROMISED EVERLASTING COVENANT WITH the Descendants of ISRAEL in the first place.

Psalm 103:8-9 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] The LORD is compassionate and gracious, slow to anger and rich in faithful love.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] He will not always accuse ⌊us⌋ or be angry forever.

Jeremiah 3:12 (ESV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Go, and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, “‘Return, faithless Israel, declares the LORD. I will not look on you in anger, for I am merciful, declares the LORD; I will not be angry forever.

Malachi 3:6 (ESV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] “For I the LORD do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed.

 

[lydever91]

The concept of spiritual Israelites, is NOT BIBLICAL. It is a made up concept by those who covet the Everlasting or Eternal Covenant that GOD has with Israel, HIS CHOSEN NATION. They forget that the Church has a BETTER COVENANT, that is not a hostile take over of God's Covenant with Israel.

1 Chronicles 16:17-18 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant,
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Saying, Unto thee will I give the land of Canaan, the lot of your inheritance;

Jeremiah 33:14-17 (ESV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] “Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will fulfill the promise I made to the house of Israel and the house of Judah.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] In those days and at that time I will cause a righteous Branch to spring up for David, and he shall execute justice and righteousness in the land.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] In those days Judah will be saved, and Jerusalem will dwell securely. And this is the name by which it will be called: ‘The LORD is our righteousness.’
[SUP]17 [/SUP] “For thus says the LORD: David shall never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel,

Luke 1:32-33 (NKJV)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David.
[SUP]33 [/SUP] And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end."

1 Chronicles 16:13-15 (NIV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] O descendants of Israel his servant, O sons of Jacob, his chosen ones.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] He is the LORD our God; his judgments are in all the earth.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] He remembers his covenant forever, the word he commanded, for a thousand generations,


HOW THEN is our Church-age Covenant BETTER? We enter HIS KINGDOM in our immortal Bodies, while the 144,000 sealed who are all of the House of Israel, only enter HIS KINGDOM in their Mortal Bodies.

Hebrews 8:6-11 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] But Jesus has now obtained a superior ministry, and to that degree He is the mediator of a better covenant, which has been legally enacted on better promises.
{Second Covenant with the Church, NOT ISRAEL.}
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For if that first ⌊covenant⌋ had been faultless, there would have been no occasion for a second one.

[SUP]8 [/SUP] But finding fault with His people, He says: Look, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— {a new Covenant with Israel, after the Church-age, during the 70th WEEK of DANIEL.}
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not like the covenant that I made with their ancestors on the day I took them by their hands to lead them out of the land of Egypt. I disregarded them, says the Lord, because they did not continue in My covenant.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israelafter those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be My people. {after the Church-age, during the 70th WEEK of DANIEL, and ON INTO THE KINGDOM in their Mortal Bodies.}
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And each person will not teach his fellow citizen, and each his brother, saying, “Know the Lord,” because they will all know Me, from the least to the greatest of them. {These statements are clearly talking about events that take place AFTER the Church-age, during the 70th WEEK of DANIEL and ON INTO THE KINGDOM as the 144,000 literal Israelites experience THEIR new covenant.}

It is NOT a mystery, it is as PLAIN as the print on the page. GOD IS NOT FINISHED WITH ISRAEL. The mystery is how on God's green earth did you ever think GOD WOULD NOT KEEP HIS PROMISED EVERLASTING COVENANT WITH the Descendants of ISRAEL in the first place.

Psalm 103:8-9 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] The LORD is compassionate and gracious, slow to anger and rich in faithful love.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] He will not always accuse ⌊us⌋ or be angry forever.

Jeremiah 3:12 (ESV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Go, and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, “‘Return, faithless Israel, declares the LORD. I will not look on you in anger, for I am merciful, declares the LORD; I will not be angry forever.

Malachi 3:6 (ESV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] “For I the LORD do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed.

1Ti 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
1Ti 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
1Ti 1:6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;

 

[lydever91]

Do they measure cubits with numbers? LoL you are funny.
I got the numbers from God's word silly. I love Gods word its exciting to read.
Heres a little tip on where you can find the 10 commandments. They are in exodus, the 2nd book of the Bible 2X10 =20 Exodus ch 20! ftw!!!

Hey that's how my husband taught me how to remember that! definitely ftw!

Something else about the number 20:
Multiples of 20 are mainly, not always, common. For instance, 40.
40 is the number of probation, and in Judges the number of years peace brought by each of the major judges/years of ruling.
We can't forget about the 40 days and nights that Jesus was in the wilderness.
Also, King David and Solomon reigned for 40 years.

Have fun learning!!

 

[VCO]

Hey that's how my husband taught me how to remember that! definitely ftw!

Something else about the number 20:
Multiples of 20 are mainly, not always, common. For instance, 40.
40 is the number of probation, and in Judges the number of years peace brought by each of the major judges/years of ruling.
We can't forget about the 40 days and nights that Jesus was in the wilderness.
Also, King David and Solomon reigned for 40 years.

Have fun learning!!

40 lashes, 40 thieves, 40 thousand, 40 years old, −40°F Nebraska wind chill, 40 m.p.h., 40 numerology fans =

2 Timothy 3:7 (ASV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

 

[lydever91]

The parables that Jesus taught were for those who followed Him and wanted to be holy.

Mat 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Mat 13:12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Mat 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
Mat 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

The parables took time to think about. If it were plainly said, the people would not have remembered.

It's like when you ask for help on homework as a child, for example. If you asked the teacher for help, but instead he/she gave you the answer all the time, would you care to know how to solve the problem?

This is more serious than homework, I understand that.
The cult is for another thread btw.

 

[lydever91]

40 lashes, 40 thieves, 40 thousand, 40 years old, −40°F Nebraska wind chill, 40 m.p.h., 40 numerology fans =

2 Timothy 3:7 (ASV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

I Know the truth. Jesus is truth.

John 14:6
Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

 

[lydever91]

The Secret Hidden Meanings are NOT.

A little leaven, is all it takes for Cult to start.

The parables that Jesus taught were for those who followed Him and wanted to be holy.

Mat 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Mat 13:12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Mat 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
Mat 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

The parables took time to think about. If it were plainly said, the people would not have remembered.

It's like when you ask for help on homework as a child, for example. If you asked the teacher for help, but instead he/she gave you the answer all the time, would you care to know how to solve the problem?

This is more serious than homework, I understand that.
The cult is for another thread btw.

Paul is talking about sin, not people who care enough to study the math in the Bible when he says, "a little leaven leaveneth the lump"

 

[Gjolll]

But representing ALL believers in the Triune God.

Rev 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain."

"Him that sitteth on the throne" + "1 lamb" does not equal "triune god".

Your maths is is error.

A + L(A) <> 3 x A

 

[VCO]

The parables that Jesus taught were for those who followed Him and wanted to be holy.

Mat 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Mat 13:12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Mat 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
Mat 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

The parables took time to think about. If it were plainly said, the people would not have remembered.

It's like when you ask for help on homework as a child, for example. If you asked the teacher for help, but instead he/she gave you the answer all the time, would you care to know how to solve the problem?

This is more serious than homework, I understand that.
The cult is for another thread btw.

And who do you think would want you to chase after secret meanings to numbers in the Bible, INSTEAD OF seeking to understand the depth of the meaning to HIS parables and how they apply to our life? Satan loves to trick Christians into doing anything that will distract them from doing what GOD wants them to do.

 

[Bowman]

That is NOT talking about a single one of the 144,000, THAT is the Raptured Churches in Heaven for the Wedding of the Lamb. We are NOT spiritual Israelites. Yes we have the faith of Abraham, but that does NOT make us spiritual Israelites. WHY NOT? Because Abraham was NOT an Israelite, he was from UR of the Chaldees, so if you want to call us spiritual Chaldeans, I will accept that, but we are not spiritual Israelites.

Who's talking about Abraham...?

GOD said it SO SPECIFIC THAT NO ONE COULD MISTAKE IT? Is it you coveting their Old Covenant Relationship? We have a BETTER COVENANT, we go into the Kingdom in our Immortal Bodies, while the 144,000 go into the Kingdom in their Mortal Bodies.

Bizarre and unreferenced...

LOOK HOW PLAIN THIS IS WRITTEN:

1 Chronicles 16:17-18 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant,
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Saying, Unto thee will I give the land of Canaan, the lot of your inheritance;

And...?

By the 144,000 ALL being literal Jews, the MORTALS going into HIS KINGDOM are the PROOF that GOD keeps HIS WORD.

Revelation 7:1-10 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] After these things I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, on the sea, or on any tree.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Then I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God. And he cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea,
[SUP]3 [/SUP] saying, "Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads."

[SUP]4 [/SUP] And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand
of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed:

[SUP]5 [/SUP] of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Gad twelve thousand were sealed;

[SUP]6 [/SUP] of the tribe of Asher twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand were sealed;

[SUP]7 [/SUP] of the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Levi twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand were sealed;

[SUP]8 [/SUP] of the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Benjamin twelve thousand were sealed.

[SUP]9 [/SUP] After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, {That is the called out Bride of Christ, the Church in Heaven for the Wedding of the Lamb, while the 144,000 are still on Earth in the Mortal Bodies, experiencing the 70th Week of Daniel, and Great Tribulation.}
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and crying out with a loud voice, saying, "Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!"

No mention of Jews anywhere in Rev 7.

 

[Bowman]

Rev 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain."

"Him that sitteth on the throne" + "1 lamb" does not equal "triune god".

Your maths is is error.

A + L(A) <> 3 x A

There are verses in Rev which state that The Son sits upon the Throne...that The Father sits upon the Throne...and that Theos sits upon the Throne.

This is the Trinity...

 

[VCO]

. . .
No mention of Jews anywhere in Rev 7.

And none are so blind as those who will not see.

 

[Gjolll]

There are verses in Rev which state that The Son sits upon the Throne...that The Father sits upon the Throne...and that Theos sits upon the Throne.

This is the Trinity...

Whatever you say.

 

[Bowman]

Whatever you say.

Not what I say...but what scripture says...