I totally agree with what you are saying. We are all born into sin, but I don't think we are born with any genes that make us commit sin. I guess that is an ongoing toss up nature vs. nurture, but I feel that we all have freewill. We can choose to do as we will. And yes, I agree that their are some people out there who are not saved but have excellent morals. Yet, like you said, those morals will not do them any good unless they confess Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. When we come to God with a sorrowful or broken and contrite spirit and ask him for forgiveness, he forgives us of our debts no matter how big or small.
Need help with discussion of gays from biblical view
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yes I agree with you I think the issue comes with what one hold to as a " Worldview". Or how they formulate a worldview. As Christians we are to do so by the Word of God. Think about it if the gene of man is corrupted it surely was not in the Beginning (gen 1-2 ) of mans existence but it is the effect of sin entering into and taking control over the flesh of man. The desires of the flesh never has God Purpose or plan in mind. Never. Only the Spirit of God does. Now if God has in some way created man with this gene then man points his finger at God to suggest it is HIS Fault man has these desires. But what is interesting, the sinful desire of homosexuality is no less stronger or greater than hetersexaul adulter or fornication. The difference is the false narrative of acceptance due to no fault of their own. When those who are forniators and adultors look to keep the sin hide generally; Homosexuality seeks to normalize it and place blame else where other than our own perverted desires. Rom 1 is very clear on this.
your point was totally biblical
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1st.Sam 18:1-4 Jonathan loved David to a point to where he stripped off and gave David his garment,armor and bow.Jonathan was more loyal to David than to his own father. When Jonathan was killed in battle King David remembered Jonathan's love for him in a poetic song 2nd Sam 1:26 as surpassing his love for women. David declared it ..openly... Whether Jonathan was sexually attracted to David is a mystery ..but I bring it up to make this point...sometimes the same sex can develop deep love and loyalty for each other and maybe some as they say " straight" people can find someone of the same gender sexually attractive without desiring to act on those feelings. Some women have what they call "girl crushes" on other girls or women. Look at people in prison..most have had gay experiences to relieve sexual pressure or have been raped. Some "straight people" probably have had sexual fantasies bout their favorite celebrity.. Bottom line is that the homosexual or lesbian sexual act is a sin according to Leviticus 18:22 and Levi 20:13 and Romans 1 . In fact the Almighty considers it an abomination. There are other sexual sins mentioned in there too. I believe it's the sexual act itself that is the abomination and unnatural.
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Seems it was just a couple days ago that folks where telling me how the gay agenda was never promoted on this forum..and. could not understand why I would make a thread to counter that wickedness. .. I hope the mods have enough sense to throw all you folks off this forum before you twisted people turn this forum into another abomination that uses the Holy Name of Christ to promote evil...
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Dear Mitspa..you one mad ..el hombre..wishing you nor anyone else no harm..am not endorsing homosexuality ,bisexuality, lesbianism...those scripts bout David and Jonathan was just trying to say that you don't have to be gay to have mad love for your close friend..have heard heteros..admit to sexual fantasies bout same sex fave celebrity..and same with girl crush..trying to be honest up in here..that's all..man.Chill..Okay?? Stop slinging people into Hell..you ain't Jesus..bro
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Guy you just made a argument that the gay agenda crowd has made over and over ..that David and Jonathan was gay.. now you can deny that was your point all you want..but that's clearly what you did. .like every wolf in sheep's clothing ..you will not he honest about your true intentions..I'm sure. It's very offensive that you would make this horrible and wicked charge against great Men of God and David the very example the Lord gives to us as a man after His own heart.. I don't look for peace with people like you and I hope you don't last long on this site for christians.
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Quote "Whether Jonathan was sexually attracted to David is a mystery "
No,its not a mystery at all. There was nothing sexual about their relationship,period.I'm hoping you know that already.
Quote "some "straight people" probably have had sexual fantasies bout their favorite celebrity"
"Probably" is the operative word there.No facts and a generalization. The Bible says to keep your mind pure.
Quote "Bottom line is that the homosexual or lesbian sexual act is a sin according to Leviticus 18:22 and Levi 20:13 and Romans 1 "
Absolutely right, you got it. I'm glad you agree with that.
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Not sure of your question? The idea that David and Jonathan was gay or even anything was ungodly about their relationship is so offensive and absurd. .I don't think it deserves a argument ..other than to call it the evil it is...and it's well know the gay agenda folks have tried to use this idea for many years now..
thank you :0 I left out the word "point" in ref to Biblical what is the biblical point. and you are right there is a an gay doctrine out there that even suggest that Jesus too was gay in using the word found in the gospels
John 13:23 Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif].[/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif] and the idea of david and jonathan also. it is perverted and corrupted of Gods word. But this is the nature of this kind of sin it will not stop in trying to justify and easy the pain of the torment that comes from this kind of sin. [/FONT]
John 13:23 Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif].[/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif] and the idea of david and jonathan also. it is perverted and corrupted of Gods word. But this is the nature of this kind of sin it will not stop in trying to justify and easy the pain of the torment that comes from this kind of sin. [/FONT]
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Sick people with sick minds and hearts will make sick and perverted things out of anything ... If anyone thinks this was some kind of gay attraction? That only proves how perverted your own heart and mind are ...don't be deceived you need to go to the Cross of Christ and be set free from sins power over your soul.