Oh, I don't think it is making a special case for them when we are all bent toward sin, and the answer for the consequences of sin is found in none other than Jesus Christ whether one is homosexual or heterosexual. Even if it is eventually proven that there is something in the genetics that contribute to being gay, how could it be seen as anything different than our genetics predisposing us to desiring a sexual partner of our socially accepted preference? Is that not controlled by hormones, which in turn influence the desire to engage in sexual activities, all controlled by genetics? Gender is also determined by genetics, XX or XY, and there is even XXY. Many people act on this desire in ways that make it sinful, and even the desire can be sinful. That does not justify it either, to say it is normal or prevalent. My original point was simply to say that even if it might be shown that there is a genetic component to homosexuality, it does not necessarily equate to there being a genetic component to other sexual perversions such as pedophilia. That seemed to be a point you were trying to make. If I was in error about that, I apologize.
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M
Well you are just promoting a idea that those who promote the gay agenda are promoting as well..and again its quite evident that if sexual perversion is determined by genes ... then every group could make this claim ..the only difference is that pedophiles don't have a powerful political group and organized agenda trying to find a genetic excuse for their perversion "yet"...but be sure its in the works ...besides all that ...If you believe the bible and the things that God has said about this certain sin you cannot believe that there is any excuse that in anyway changes what God has said about this issue. I assuming God knows more about genes than any man will ever know ...
M
No "gay" person has ever enjoyed their lust anymore than I did as a fornicating whoremonger and adulterer ... I guess I have a "gene" for that? I know God made that a normal desire for a man to desire a woman... If I can be set-free and turn from ungodliness and live a holy life...nobody can tell me that God cant or wont deliver someone who has a unnatural desire ..or that they cant resist these temptations because they was born that way... that's just a bunch of hogwash
To be fair, there was a case study done on identical twins. Thus since they are identical genetically, they would have the same genes correct? One of the twins was straight, and the other twin turned out to be homosexual.
So we can apply the homosexual "gene" idea. If they are identical genetically, how is it that one of the twins is a homosexual, and the other is heterosexual?
So we can apply the homosexual "gene" idea. If they are identical genetically, how is it that one of the twins is a homosexual, and the other is heterosexual?
Blain, where is the scientific research, the genetic studies to show that people have a "homosexual" gene? Because you better believe the gay lobby has looked long and hard, and they haven't found it!
As far as sin, this is pretty obvious!
"But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.17 For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do.18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.19 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions,21 envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God." Gal. 5:16-21
I had been a Christian about 2 years when I read this passage. I was pretty please with myself, that I had not had a single drop to drink since I had been saved.
But I just about died when I saw "fits of anger" also translated "outburst of anger." I came from a family where everyone lost their temper. It had to be genetic! I had the example of my father, in particular, and his outrageous temper. It had to be environment!
At any rate, it certainly wasn't my fault. It wasn't fair it was a sin. Sure the homosexuals and other sexually immoral people were sinful, but I couldn't control my temper, even if I tried.
And tried, and tried, and tried! And 30 years later, I was still trying! But at least I knew it was a sin, and it was my fault. And repentance was something I needed to do often!
The same with homosexuals - they need to acknowledge their sin and repent of it. There are simply too many verses to say it is not sin. God's plan has always been for one man and one woman to marry and be together.
It has never been for people to live the "gay" (read: promiscuous) lifestyle. It has never been to act on impulses that are against God's will. I once went into a lesbian forum, to see what they were about. It was very interesting. The woman all told stories of being abuse, raped or even shot by men. About how much they hated men for what they had done to them. After a short while, I couldn't stand the posts, and left. But it did tell me that the lie of people being "born gay" was not right!
But I don't think we should be mean to gays, but instead love them, and help them to know Christ and escape that lifestyle.
As far as sin, this is pretty obvious!
"But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.17 For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do.18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.19 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions,21 envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God." Gal. 5:16-21
I had been a Christian about 2 years when I read this passage. I was pretty please with myself, that I had not had a single drop to drink since I had been saved.
But I just about died when I saw "fits of anger" also translated "outburst of anger." I came from a family where everyone lost their temper. It had to be genetic! I had the example of my father, in particular, and his outrageous temper. It had to be environment!
At any rate, it certainly wasn't my fault. It wasn't fair it was a sin. Sure the homosexuals and other sexually immoral people were sinful, but I couldn't control my temper, even if I tried.
And tried, and tried, and tried! And 30 years later, I was still trying! But at least I knew it was a sin, and it was my fault. And repentance was something I needed to do often!
The same with homosexuals - they need to acknowledge their sin and repent of it. There are simply too many verses to say it is not sin. God's plan has always been for one man and one woman to marry and be together.
It has never been for people to live the "gay" (read: promiscuous) lifestyle. It has never been to act on impulses that are against God's will. I once went into a lesbian forum, to see what they were about. It was very interesting. The woman all told stories of being abuse, raped or even shot by men. About how much they hated men for what they had done to them. After a short while, I couldn't stand the posts, and left. But it did tell me that the lie of people being "born gay" was not right!
But I don't think we should be mean to gays, but instead love them, and help them to know Christ and escape that lifestyle.
I have no issue telling them the truth but it's how I do it that matters to me. I will explain to them the truth and the truth of their sinful lives in a respectful and kind manner I have no intention of calling them what the people in the ot called them and there are some pretty harsh ones in there
The gay gene is the just the scientific way to explain the source of homosexuality. But in the spiritual view homosexuality could be the consequence of previous sins particularly sexual imorality commited by the previous generation . Those who have unnatural and perverted homosexual desires are just born with greater challenge to overcome. Resisting lust after the opposite sex who is not your spouse is a challenge enough. How much more is lusting after the same sex who can never be your spouse? You can just imagine the frustration of gay people that's why they give in because its not easy to accept a lifetime of misery of never ever be able to fulfill those desires. They sin against God, against themselves, against each other. Thats why their sins multiply and create ripples in the future generations.
T
Homosexuality is a modern invention. It's not it's own. Throughout history many people practiced homosexuality, but it was seen as sexually abnormal. It didn't have a category of its own. It certainly wasn't a sexual identity. It's only since the 1800s (around the time of Oscar Wilde) that homosexuality was recognised as a sexual identity (but on the whole, still not acknowledge in the public setting). It's no longer considered a perversion. But homosexuality isn't a thing in and of itself, it's a corruption of heterosexual sexuality that God instilled in His creations, male and female. Two genders. Two sexes.
Now that I think it about being gay is actually encouraged in this generation, a lot of men love the whole girl on girl action some women like the whole men on men action but the general thinking of the men who like men is they are neat intelligent they have a fantastic sense of style and girls love to hang out them. And if you talk about how the homosexual lifestyle is wrong ppl instantly get offended and say who are you to judge them
How about david? As a consequence to his grave sin his four sons received the punishment as promised. His son Absalom became a pervert who raped his sister. It only means that sexual imorality and murder is really a great great sin that it took four lives to pay for it. No matter how he sacrificed God still took the son of batsheba. Jesus has already paid for our sins but no one is exempted from the consequences of sin not even David who is a man after God's own heart.
I wanted to say to you all that I am very proud of you, topics like this tend to become a heated war zone names being called scriptures being thrown like weapons anger hostility ect. you know how it is, but you all have actually been discussing the topic not debating it in the heat of war
you all were mature and were respectful I have to be honest I have never seen a sensitive subject like this go 6 whole pages without war
you all were mature and were respectful I have to be honest I have never seen a sensitive subject like this go 6 whole pages without war
D
I think this whole line of thought is moot, I really couldn't care less if it's genetic or not because Supernatural beats natural anytime he chooses too, however, they made white petunias without hybridizing them. Same flower as the purple petunia genetically speaking, but they turned the switch off on one particular chromosome. So, that really kills that logic. The stuff that happens once they start cracking the code, right?
Is there a place in the new testament that this happened? I have read it happen many times in the old testament but never the new one and that speaks volume to me. Also aids is disease of the flesh that is transfer through the flesh having lustful desires for the same sex is not a disease it's a type of lust not really the same thing
R
Home sexuality was originally started by satan as a means to stop the birth of Christ. Through out the bible it is considered an abomination. However God loves the Homo and sent His Son to die for their sins as well as ours. We should not condemn them but rather lead them to Christ, but if they refuse and are intent to continue then we can do nothing only pray.
Paul goes over this many times.
Romans 1
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Paul goes over this many times.
Romans 1
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
So how do you explain in the biblical view that homosexuality is not related to the previous sins of the previous generation? We inherited our brokenness from adam and eve. Homosexuality is part of that brokenness so somehow it is related to previous sin. Jesus repaired the brokenness of those who come to him but those who dont believe remain broken.