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Dino246

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Maybe not. Neither can you purport evidence or proof for any of the others.
Which "others"?

Let's trace the gist of the conversation. You argued, on the basis of the KJV wording, that "wives" is the correct translation of ishshah. That Hebrew word is also often rendered "women", even in the KJV. Strong's will tell you that. You don't seem to be willing to consider the evidence, standing instead on some imaginary indubitable accuracy of the KJV.
 
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Suit yourself.
Genesis 6 declares that humans had become so consistently evil that God destroyed them.
It doesn't sound like they had a righteous understanding of a marital relationship.
Forced marriages would be more likely than not in a world like that. It happens even in today's world.
Human reasoning is very limited in what it can decipher from the Word of Truth.
 
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Can you please rephrase this question? I am not following what you are asking me.
Your statement/question in Post 133: "You(DavidTree) said the angels didn't have "permission". I am asking for clarification on what you mean by that. I know the Bible says they left it, but since you are using it to support your position, I am asking if you understand what that means."

DavidTree asked you = "What position do you assume the Holy Spirit has determined for us to place our trust in concerning your question???"

Simplified = The Holy Spirit has a "position" on this subject = what is it???

Peace
 

Magenta

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May 11th 1986, around 12pm,, I called on Jesus is faith after hearing a message from Psalm 23, King James Bible.
You can wonder which translation/version is true/accurate if you want, but that one worked well enough for me.

Psalm 23:1
:)
 

John146

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Like I mentioned earlier, if you want factual Truths you go to the Hebrew Torah/Tanach.

If you want partial information that leads to wrongful translation you go to the KJV.
The Hebrew? And who translates the Hebrew to English? You?
 

John146

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Suit yourself.
Genesis 6 declares that humans had become so consistently evil that God destroyed them.
It doesn't sound like they had a righteous understanding of a marital relationship.
Forced marriages would be more likely than not in a world like that. It happens even in today's world.
And their offspring were literal giants. Ok.
 

Pilgrimshope

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But apparently not half-breeds.
of every human being the idea is not that she gave birth to each , but that all mankind originated from Adam and Eve we are thier descendants carrying thier blood in our vines according to the flesh

without eve giving birth humanity couldn’t have existed

the Bible often refers to ancient descendants as parents of a lineage in this case eve literally is the mother of all the living speaking as to our natural lineage both cains children who was separated and Seth’s children who were accepted

if you look at mankind the first son is always cast out , the second always becomes the hier

since the first two recorded men cain and abel there has been a division among mankind good and evil light and darkness cain and abel

gods children and mens children from even those times it’s very clear where it began cain and abel are born after they ate the fruit of good and evil and then

“And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted?

and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.

( God casts cain out but cain lives on and has children )

and now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand; when thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth. And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden. And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭4:6-8, 11-14,

that’s cains line of man cast out from Gods presence they are the children of men in genesis chapter 6

“And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭4:25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

but then after he killed abel God establishes his line here They are the sons of God in genesis 6

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. ……But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1-2, 12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Eve bare all Mankind and is the mother of all flesh and blood humans
 
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The Hebrew? And who translates the Hebrew to English? You?
Gentiles, have been grafted into the Family but many have no idea about their ancient ancestors at all.

Sofars, are the ones who translate the ancient Hebrew Text into English.

If you don't know what that is, they are also known as Scribes.
 

John146

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Gentiles, have been grafted into the Family but many have no idea about their ancient ancestors at all.

Sofars, are the ones who translate the ancient Hebrew Text into English.

If you don't know what that is, they are also known as Scribes.
Modern day scribes? Such as who? Do you have a bible you can trust? Every word?
 
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Modern day scribes? Such as who? Do you have a bible you can trust? Every word?
Knowing that the Bible I use God Himself narrated to Moses concerning Genesis compared to the Bible YOU use created by Erasmus and the Catholic Pope [Textus Receptus], I would be more concerned about the ideology YOU are entertaining than myself.
 

Blade

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Were the sons of God angels or the sons of Seth in Genesis where the women had giant babies. I personally side with the story that angels slept with women.
That is written. That dream that Daniel explained .. the feet mixed with what? Is that not during our time now? The word says if you want to know the future look at the past. its not that easy to clearly know if sons of God were angels or not. The Septuagint, apocrypha, ancient Hebrew texts on and on its not that easy. It does make one wonder just who Job or GOD was talking about "Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD." Yeah I am guessing that was not MAN since no man could do that and Satan would come up with them? HAHA.

There are so many things in this world man can not explain because there is no man even today that with all our tech can do.
 

Mem

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How does anyone "present themselves before God"? Can anyone "step up to His throne" anytime they like? or is there some sort of special security clearance procedure?
 

Dino246

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Again, I would recommend Michael S. Heiser's The Unseen Realm to any of you with more than a passing interest in this topic.
 

Diakonos

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Your statement/question in Post 133: "You(DavidTree) said the angels didn't have "permission". I am asking for clarification on what you mean by that. I know the Bible says they left it, but since you are using it to support your position, I am asking if you understand what that means."

DavidTree asked you = "What position do you assume the Holy Spirit has determined for us to place our trust in concerning your question???"

Simplified = The Holy Spirit has a "position" on this subject = what is it???

Peace
I am having difficulty following the train of thought from the string of messages between us.
Can you please just rephrase your last question in simple English?