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meant to be a re-write/edit but took FAR TOO LONG - sorry
Doesn't the bible say - they existed at that time (before the flood) and after?
Gen 6:4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward,
It does not say they will continue to exist forever.
For me the suggestion in the Bible is that Goliath and his brothers are the last and that it scares the poop out of Saul
But David says - God say we should take on the enemies of God head on....
From what God has let us know with science (which means knowledge) surely we could see that the Nephelim (which MEANS bullies or tyrants- look it up) might have been forcing nice girls (the Jewish stock that the OT is all about) to interbreeding?
God thought no! - ends up in big tough guys who are of the line of Adam I planned for better things...
Cleanse it all - it went wrong.
But rather than start afresh or never bother, Noah's goodness though we could have a seed here that will work.
~This is all about the story of Adam to Christ
That is NOT the full story of animals that were not in God's plan - and we may well be in that plan.
Perhaps the story of Adam is all about the first Jew only.
The first of God's chosen.
God created all other things including humans who may have evolved for years (not the silly figures so-called scientists come up with I expect) but The man that was the start of God's plan, his logos (which means SO much more than word), was an Adam he put in a garden.
Later the logos, the plan, was made flesh
John 1:14
Doesn't the bible say - they existed at that time (before the flood) and after?
Gen 6:4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward,
It does not say they will continue to exist forever.
For me the suggestion in the Bible is that Goliath and his brothers are the last and that it scares the poop out of Saul
But David says - God say we should take on the enemies of God head on....
From what God has let us know with science (which means knowledge) surely we could see that the Nephelim (which MEANS bullies or tyrants- look it up) might have been forcing nice girls (the Jewish stock that the OT is all about) to interbreeding?
God thought no! - ends up in big tough guys who are of the line of Adam I planned for better things...
Cleanse it all - it went wrong.
But rather than start afresh or never bother, Noah's goodness though we could have a seed here that will work.
~This is all about the story of Adam to Christ
That is NOT the full story of animals that were not in God's plan - and we may well be in that plan.
Perhaps the story of Adam is all about the first Jew only.
The first of God's chosen.
God created all other things including humans who may have evolved for years (not the silly figures so-called scientists come up with I expect) but The man that was the start of God's plan, his logos (which means SO much more than word), was an Adam he put in a garden.
Later the logos, the plan, was made flesh
John 1:14
R
yes the nephilim exist...but they are not what most people think they are... they have nothing to do with angels...in fact there is nothing supernatural about them... nephilim are basically people who live by violence and murder...
and yes there are many nephilim in the world today...because there are many people who live by violence and murder in the world today...
and yes there are many nephilim in the world today...because there are many people who live by violence and murder in the world today...
[h=3]Sons of God and Daughters of Men[/h]6 When mankind began to multiply on the earth and daughters were born to them, [SUP]2 [/SUP]the sons of God saw that the daughters of mankind were beautiful, and they took any they chose as wives[SUP][a][/SUP] for themselves. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain[SUP][b][/SUP] with[SUP][c][/SUP] mankind forever, because they are corrupt.[SUP][d][/SUP] Their days will be 120 years.” [SUP]4[/SUP]The Nephilim[SUP][e][/SUP] were on the earth both in those days and afterward, when the sons of God came to the daughters of mankind, who bore children to them. They were the powerful men of old, the famous men.
Rumors have been flying around that some men ignore women when they post about something that might "look" like teaching. For those who missed the Hebrew in my first post, here it is again.
"Rather than use a 'translation" which is merely a translator trying to make things palatable to people who don't speak Hebrew, let us look at the Masoretic Text, which is the one that has the oldest manuscripts, including Books like Isaiah being the same in the Dead Sea scrolls as the MT. (Written well before the time of Christ!)
Gen. 6;4 starts with the word הנפלים, which transliterated means "the nephilim." noun, masculine plural, from the root verb נפל, which means "to fall". Brown-Driver -Briggs translates it as "giants" and of course it is the same in Numbers 13:33. The notes say that the etymology is "very dubious.""
Yes, even a woman can study to show herself approved. I have studied both Greek and Hebrew and if that offends some people, I am sorry. But I will tell the true story.
The Hebrew literally says "Fallen ones" but is of dubious origin. KJV translators were used by both Strong and Brown-Driver-Briggs, the main biblical Lexicon. They say giants.
Hoping not everyone has me on ignore.
"Rather than use a 'translation" which is merely a translator trying to make things palatable to people who don't speak Hebrew, let us look at the Masoretic Text, which is the one that has the oldest manuscripts, including Books like Isaiah being the same in the Dead Sea scrolls as the MT. (Written well before the time of Christ!)
Gen. 6;4 starts with the word הנפלים, which transliterated means "the nephilim." noun, masculine plural, from the root verb נפל, which means "to fall". Brown-Driver -Briggs translates it as "giants" and of course it is the same in Numbers 13:33. The notes say that the etymology is "very dubious.""
Yes, even a woman can study to show herself approved. I have studied both Greek and Hebrew and if that offends some people, I am sorry. But I will tell the true story.
The Hebrew literally says "Fallen ones" but is of dubious origin. KJV translators were used by both Strong and Brown-Driver-Briggs, the main biblical Lexicon. They say giants.
Hoping not everyone has me on ignore.
Sorry my phone and computer are acting up but in short to start off,
Mankind relates to us all. Adam both male and female.
Daughters of men is earthly wisdom born unto them.
Sons of God are all who believe that "He is".
They went into the daughters of men, mixing the knowledge of "He" or God with the corruption of that earthly wisdom the result being children born unto them. These mighty men, are those exercising great power by earthly wisdom, or nephilim.
We would now be the children, the sons of God who are going again into the daughters of men (earthly wisdom) that our fathers have also mingled with that produced the same thing that it did in Genesis.
The bible often speaks of uncovering our father's nakedness and things like this. What it means is that we mingled or fornicated with the "wives" or earthly wisdoms of those who came before.
Mankind relates to us all. Adam both male and female.
Daughters of men is earthly wisdom born unto them.
Sons of God are all who believe that "He is".
They went into the daughters of men, mixing the knowledge of "He" or God with the corruption of that earthly wisdom the result being children born unto them. These mighty men, are those exercising great power by earthly wisdom, or nephilim.
We would now be the children, the sons of God who are going again into the daughters of men (earthly wisdom) that our fathers have also mingled with that produced the same thing that it did in Genesis.
The bible often speaks of uncovering our father's nakedness and things like this. What it means is that we mingled or fornicated with the "wives" or earthly wisdoms of those who came before.
K
I'm not suggesting we use them for anything about God, only for information about the word "nephilim". This is the method used by translators themselves. For example, Strong's draws heavily on Lidell-Scott Greek, which was assembled by scholars back when all colleges were Christian ministry schools. The standard method of determining the meaning of a word, is to consult writings by people who spoke the language as their birth language, and who used the word in other writings. This gives us context to verify the meanings. You can see the method spelled out in Liddell and Scott. The entries read like: "the word means ---- as you can see from where Plutarch used it in ------, and Aristotle used it in ------" Since even the KJV may have this word wrong, going back to the source, by the same method the translator's themselves used, makes sense. The Greek language is quite a bit like English, but the Hebrew is very different.
N
I just started a new thread with a bit more documentation from the Bible.
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...res-giants-aka-nephilim-hebrew-definions.html
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...res-giants-aka-nephilim-hebrew-definions.html
K
You mean vs. 38? This refers you back to Gen. 4:25, of course, and the Hebrew words there are "Enosh" which means "mortal" and "men" is "chalal" which means "defiled" or "broken". Since the Hebrew word for the word we translate as "men" has changed, I'm not sure that you can say that it matches Gen. 6:2 where the word used for daughters of "men" is back to Adam.
Yes 38, "...the son of Adam, the son of God." I'm simply making the statement that Luke calls Adam the son of God, thus we are all sons of Adam, thus we all could be called sons of God is humanistic physical sense, but not all in the spiritual sense. My point is that "sons of God" is not only used to refer to angels but men too and I don't think Gen. 6 is referring to angels.
