Nephilim On The Ark
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Eve is the mother of all living, and she is to have respect because of the angels since she is their mother. WHAT??? Are you serious?? Angles were BORN??? Not even close. Angels are created spiritual beings. No human is the mother of any spiritual being other than Mary being the Mother of Jesus. You are simply regurgitating what somelse told you. And who ever said the Nephilim were 'fallen angels'? Again, you believe in assumptions. Nephilim are the PRODUCT of relations between SINFUL angels (the 'fallen' angels are locked in chains, Jude 6: "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. "
For a truth, Adam and Eve were the only two beings created in the Beginning (just as Gen 1 & 2 prove) Ah, no. ALL the creatures on the planet were CREATED BY God THROUGH Jesus Chrsit (John 1:1), and Adam was created in the image (a man) of the LORD, and after His Likeness (light: EZ:1-26-28, 1Jn1:7). As were ALL men. God is SPIRIT. Man is created SPIRIT that is housed in a physical body. As such, they were the first 'angelic host': and from them were all others to come. What ARE you smoking??? If this is not so, then GEN ! & 2 are incomplete, and the LORD withheld the TRUTH. Thus the nephilim must also be the children of Adam (or his descendant). You have proven that you do not UNDERSTAND Gen 1 and 2.
I'll bet everyone who reads this will not only say i am nuts, but also that GOD made us all 'taste' a physical death because Adam ate fruit which truly was good, edible fruit, but which was forbidden from being eaten. Would any of you kill your child, or even cut off his or her hand for such an offense? DUDE...Adam and Eve DID die. God said if they ate of the tree THEY WOULD DIE. They did die. See Gen 5:5. God DID NOT SAY WHEN they would die, but they are both dead. Before Adam sinned, they had ETERNAL LIFE. They died both a physical death and a spiritual death, which is WHY God had to come in the form of man, Jesus, to shed His blood for the payment of sin. In the Garden, AFTER Adam sinned, GOD Killed an animal to provide a covering for Adam and Eve. This killing is the shedding of blood. The COVERING is representative of the covering that Christ provides for us through the shedding of HIS blood.
For a truth, Adam and Eve were the only two beings created in the Beginning (just as Gen 1 & 2 prove) Ah, no. ALL the creatures on the planet were CREATED BY God THROUGH Jesus Chrsit (John 1:1), and Adam was created in the image (a man) of the LORD, and after His Likeness (light: EZ:1-26-28, 1Jn1:7). As were ALL men. God is SPIRIT. Man is created SPIRIT that is housed in a physical body. As such, they were the first 'angelic host': and from them were all others to come. What ARE you smoking??? If this is not so, then GEN ! & 2 are incomplete, and the LORD withheld the TRUTH. Thus the nephilim must also be the children of Adam (or his descendant). You have proven that you do not UNDERSTAND Gen 1 and 2.
I'll bet everyone who reads this will not only say i am nuts, but also that GOD made us all 'taste' a physical death because Adam ate fruit which truly was good, edible fruit, but which was forbidden from being eaten. Would any of you kill your child, or even cut off his or her hand for such an offense? DUDE...Adam and Eve DID die. God said if they ate of the tree THEY WOULD DIE. They did die. See Gen 5:5. God DID NOT SAY WHEN they would die, but they are both dead. Before Adam sinned, they had ETERNAL LIFE. They died both a physical death and a spiritual death, which is WHY God had to come in the form of man, Jesus, to shed His blood for the payment of sin. In the Garden, AFTER Adam sinned, GOD Killed an animal to provide a covering for Adam and Eve. This killing is the shedding of blood. The COVERING is representative of the covering that Christ provides for us through the shedding of HIS blood.
Well, GOD is more just than you, so neither did HE. We die (physically) because Adam lied to Eve in the Beginning. We all died spiritually the Day Adam first sinned. We die because Adam lied?? Hardly! We die because Adam DISOBEYED, because they did not TRUST and BELIEVE God. He was given charge over the Garden and disobeyed by letting Eve eat of the forbidden fruit. Did you forget that scripture says "and her husband with her"? Yeah, he was right there WATCHING and not telling her to stop. Gen 3:6 ADAM was instructed directly by God. Gen 2:16-17. Eve was told by Adam, not by God directly. Adam and Eve both DOUBTED GOD, and CHOSE to disobey and ADAM DID NOT STOP HER, EVE, WHOM HE HAD CHARGE OVER....Gen 2:15 "15Then the LORD God took the man and put him into the garden of Eden to cultivate it and keep it.
Genesis 6
The Wickedness and Judgment of Man
1 Now it came to pass, when MEN began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the SONS of God saw the daughters of MEN, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.3 And the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not strive[a] with MAN forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” 4 There were Giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
There are some who believe the sons of God mentioned in this passage are angels/nephelim.
Let's use the same passage to prove this belief wrong.
(SONS)
bên
bane
From H1129; a son (as a builder of the family name), in the widest sense (of literal and figurative relationship, including grandson, subject, nation, quality or condition, etc.
of
(God)
'ĕlôhı̂ym
el-o-heem'
Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative: - angels, X exceeding, God (gods) (-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
(Giants)
nef-eel', nef-eel'
From H5307; properly, a feller, that is, a bully or tyrant: - giant.
-From the context of the meaning of the words sons and God we can clearly see that the crowd that is being pointed to by definition of the words used cannot be pointed back to angelic beings.
-Also notice when the sons of God bore children to the daughters of men they gave birth to MEN of RENOWN, this word literally means honor,fame, or authority. Nowhere does it say they were hybrid human beings or despicable creatures.
*Now some will try to argue this with the passage of Jude below.
Jude
6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;
-What is the domain of angels? Heaven, where they are supposed to serve God. These angels were kicked out because they followed lucifer.
7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these(speaking of sodom and gomorrah), having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
-What is the context of verse 6 to which verse 7 is the compliment? Things (in this case angels) went away from were they belonged. What did sodom and gomorrah do that was out of place? Give themselves over to sexual immorality. What will both the people in sodom and gomorrah and the angels who went out of place receive? vengeance of eternal fire.
*And finally the logical argument.
-What are angels? They are creatures that exist outside of our dimension, that ONLY with the permission and purpose of God can reveal themselves in this dimension.
-What are fallen angels? Angels that decided to follow satan.
-Who is satan? he was the most beautiful angel God created who decided he wanted to receive glory instead of giving glory to God.
ALL entities, regardless if they serve God or not, tremble at the name of Jesus. Satan cannot do anything unless God has allowed Him to. However, to those who have not received Christ they are property of satan and he could do anything he pleases to them because just as he told Jesus Christ, these worldly kingdoms were given to him to give to anyone he pleases.
However, logically these creatures have no need to reproduce since their war playground lays in the spiritual realm, which is fought against in the mind, whose fruits are shown in the behavior of people. Their one desire is to be worshiped, and so exhibiting the behaviors they promote is complying with this desire.
God Bless you all!
The Wickedness and Judgment of Man
1 Now it came to pass, when MEN began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the SONS of God saw the daughters of MEN, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.3 And the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not strive[a] with MAN forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” 4 There were Giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
There are some who believe the sons of God mentioned in this passage are angels/nephelim.
Let's use the same passage to prove this belief wrong.
(SONS)
bên
bane
From H1129; a son (as a builder of the family name), in the widest sense (of literal and figurative relationship, including grandson, subject, nation, quality or condition, etc.
of
(God)
'ĕlôhı̂ym
el-o-heem'
Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative: - angels, X exceeding, God (gods) (-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
(Giants)
nef-eel', nef-eel'
From H5307; properly, a feller, that is, a bully or tyrant: - giant.
-From the context of the meaning of the words sons and God we can clearly see that the crowd that is being pointed to by definition of the words used cannot be pointed back to angelic beings.
-Also notice when the sons of God bore children to the daughters of men they gave birth to MEN of RENOWN, this word literally means honor,fame, or authority. Nowhere does it say they were hybrid human beings or despicable creatures.
*Now some will try to argue this with the passage of Jude below.
Jude
6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;
-What is the domain of angels? Heaven, where they are supposed to serve God. These angels were kicked out because they followed lucifer.
7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these(speaking of sodom and gomorrah), having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
-What is the context of verse 6 to which verse 7 is the compliment? Things (in this case angels) went away from were they belonged. What did sodom and gomorrah do that was out of place? Give themselves over to sexual immorality. What will both the people in sodom and gomorrah and the angels who went out of place receive? vengeance of eternal fire.
*And finally the logical argument.
-What are angels? They are creatures that exist outside of our dimension, that ONLY with the permission and purpose of God can reveal themselves in this dimension.
-What are fallen angels? Angels that decided to follow satan.
-Who is satan? he was the most beautiful angel God created who decided he wanted to receive glory instead of giving glory to God.
ALL entities, regardless if they serve God or not, tremble at the name of Jesus. Satan cannot do anything unless God has allowed Him to. However, to those who have not received Christ they are property of satan and he could do anything he pleases to them because just as he told Jesus Christ, these worldly kingdoms were given to him to give to anyone he pleases.
However, logically these creatures have no need to reproduce since their war playground lays in the spiritual realm, which is fought against in the mind, whose fruits are shown in the behavior of people. Their one desire is to be worshiped, and so exhibiting the behaviors they promote is complying with this desire.
God Bless you all!
well, this is translation confusion:
in hebrew there is
nephilim: 'the fallen ones' from the word nephal 'to fall, be cast down to fall away, desert'
hagibborim: 'the mighty ones'
when the hebrew was translated into greek to the septuagint LXX the started to use the word gigantes, since then nephilim is often translated as giants, but that is because translaters looked into their appearances of the beings rather than greek roots. In this case the root 'gigas' meaning 'earth-born', something that is more consistant with the context of the chapter as well.
in hebrew there is
nephilim: 'the fallen ones' from the word nephal 'to fall, be cast down to fall away, desert'
hagibborim: 'the mighty ones'
when the hebrew was translated into greek to the septuagint LXX the started to use the word gigantes, since then nephilim is often translated as giants, but that is because translaters looked into their appearances of the beings rather than greek roots. In this case the root 'gigas' meaning 'earth-born', something that is more consistant with the context of the chapter as well.
about sons of god:
Bene HaElohim -> direct creation from God
Job 1:6,
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Job 2:1,
Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
Job 38:7
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
but also in Daniel, and even in the new testament 'sons of God' is the common way of referring to angels. (though daniel 3:25 is written in aramaic, he still uses the word bar-elahin: son of gods -> vs 28: 'who harh sent his angel'.)
In all cases they use sons of god as angels, so stay consistent even if you don't like the idea.
Benoth Adam: Daughters of Adam -> Offspring from men, Adam
When humans are addressed, in the old testament it is referred to as son of men, as such Jesus refers to himself. If he states that he is the son of God, he uses different words, Son of God. A clear difference.
Bene HaElohim -> direct creation from God
Job 1:6,
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Job 2:1,
Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
Job 38:7
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
but also in Daniel, and even in the new testament 'sons of God' is the common way of referring to angels. (though daniel 3:25 is written in aramaic, he still uses the word bar-elahin: son of gods -> vs 28: 'who harh sent his angel'.)
In all cases they use sons of god as angels, so stay consistent even if you don't like the idea.
Benoth Adam: Daughters of Adam -> Offspring from men, Adam
When humans are addressed, in the old testament it is referred to as son of men, as such Jesus refers to himself. If he states that he is the son of God, he uses different words, Son of God. A clear difference.
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about sons of god:
Bene HaElohim -> direct creation from God
so if they are not angels then who are they? who are the "sons of God" and why did they marry and have sex with the daughters of MEN? why the distinction between the "sons of God" and "MEN" in the Bible?
And could someone explain what the word elohim really means? its translated into different things depending on which verse of the Bible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim
Bene HaElohim -> direct creation from God
so if they are not angels then who are they? who are the "sons of God" and why did they marry and have sex with the daughters of MEN? why the distinction between the "sons of God" and "MEN" in the Bible?
And could someone explain what the word elohim really means? its translated into different things depending on which verse of the Bible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim
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Elohim means just god. When the bible speaks of a person god, well, there is just one God, the God of Israel. In some occasions it is to refer to pagan worshipping.
Bene HaElohim -> sons of God -> direct creations from God -> the only direct offspring from God are the first animals and plants, the first man (adam, but not eve) and angles (they do not multiply but were created at once).
there could be 2 reasons for angels to go with human women:
-to defile the generation so that the promised saviour could not come (Jesus, but this was not known then)
-> remember there is written explicitly: the daughters of men that they were fair (unblemished, spotless)
-demons are outnumbered (1/3 is fallen against 2/3 not), since they cannot create offspring between them, the could use offspring of men to make up for their position
In any case this is not explicitly explained in the bible. We only know it happened also after the flood. See the letter of Jude (It was part of the reason to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah -> the people went after 'strange flesh') and 2 Peter. And apparently they existed when Israel was invaded. This is part of the reason why some tribes living there had to be extinguished with men, women, children, and animals. These tribes could mingle with Israel defiling them, again endangering the line of salvation.
These tribes include: Emim, Repha'im, Gibborim, Zamzummim, Horim, and most famous because of Goliath: the Anakim.
Interesting properties of this offspring is their length in combination with their strength. We have calculated what would happen if people get really tall, and it turns out they are actually very weak, slow and unstable. Apparently these beings were extremely strong and tall, though they still looked sort of human.
Bene HaElohim -> sons of God -> direct creations from God -> the only direct offspring from God are the first animals and plants, the first man (adam, but not eve) and angles (they do not multiply but were created at once).
there could be 2 reasons for angels to go with human women:
-to defile the generation so that the promised saviour could not come (Jesus, but this was not known then)
-> remember there is written explicitly: the daughters of men that they were fair (unblemished, spotless)
-demons are outnumbered (1/3 is fallen against 2/3 not), since they cannot create offspring between them, the could use offspring of men to make up for their position
In any case this is not explicitly explained in the bible. We only know it happened also after the flood. See the letter of Jude (It was part of the reason to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah -> the people went after 'strange flesh') and 2 Peter. And apparently they existed when Israel was invaded. This is part of the reason why some tribes living there had to be extinguished with men, women, children, and animals. These tribes could mingle with Israel defiling them, again endangering the line of salvation.
These tribes include: Emim, Repha'im, Gibborim, Zamzummim, Horim, and most famous because of Goliath: the Anakim.
Interesting properties of this offspring is their length in combination with their strength. We have calculated what would happen if people get really tall, and it turns out they are actually very weak, slow and unstable. Apparently these beings were extremely strong and tall, though they still looked sort of human.
That's because the flood was not global. It was confined to a region around the Tarim Basin. Where it says God flooded the entire the Earth the original Hebrew word is "erets" which means land or territory not world or planet.
Not every creature was destroyed and not every animal was on the ark. That's like saying Kangaroos hoped from the middle east back to Australia over the oceans.
Ok, if angels have a reproductive system they must have a digestive system, a respiratory system, a circulatory system, skin and about every other organ on the human body and they too must have been born from a woman to continue to reproduce the species, but guess what? they are NOT from our species, not even from our dimension. why can't you just understand that fallen angels didn't and CAN'T have sex with humans? You guys pull out some weird theories that are NOT in the bible. Please read your bibles in context.
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ok who are these guys?
about sons of god:
Bene HaElohim -> direct creation from God
Genesis 6:1-4 (New King James Version)
The Wickedness and Judgment of Man
1 Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
3 And the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not strive[a] with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” 4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
about sons of god:
Bene HaElohim -> direct creation from God
Genesis 6:1-4 (New King James Version)
The Wickedness and Judgment of Man
1 Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
3 And the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not strive[a] with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” 4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
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