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[reneweddaybyday]

God uses two attributes. . . a Father and a Son to reveal the government of God as two walking together by one Spirit, one faith as a work. He in no way would except worship in respect to being a corruptible Man but would give glory to the unseen..

Corrupted flesh was used for the one time demonstration It is not to be confused with the invisible Spirit the essence of life. God's Spirit has no beginning. Flesh was used for a one time promised demonstration. (Isaiah 53) The work is reckoned from the foundation of the world as the lamb slain. he rested from all his work on the 7th day.

First of all, Jesus had no "corrupted flesh". When will you allow this truth to permeate your heart so that you are able to understand the fullness of the eternal purpose of God?


Secondly, and this is very interesting … before there is any mention of the suffering revealed in Isaiah 53, go back to Isaiah 52:13 and read what God has to say concerning His Servant:

Isaiah 52:13 Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high.

He shall be exalted
He shall be extolled
He shall be very high


Philippians 2:9-11 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

One day, your knee will bow and I pray you bow your knee today and that you do not wait until the day when you will be made to bow.

There are many indicators that would lead us to believe when thinking of our invisible God not to give that glory to the corruptible things seen rather than walking by faith.

Bowing the knee to Jesus is not giving "glory to the corruptible things seen".

Bowing the knee to Jesus is properly humbling ourselves before Him and properly acknowledging Him as worthy of all honor.

Bowing the knee to Jesus is "walking by faith".


Revelation 5:

11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;

12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

Like the idea the church began at Pentecost as if no one had the Holy Spirit before that. Christ as the Son of God simply would not share the glory with the corruptible (dead) things seen . Rather than walking by faith the unseen eternal.

No one has claimed that Holy Spirit was not present in OT times.

In that way no man can serve two masters (impossible) walking by faith and walking by sight as if the kingdom did come by observation.

So if Jesus was physically alive today, you would not have served Him?

It is why Jesus said only God is good .Good represents the unseen the fingerprint of God's approval

Jesus was not approved before God???

Matthew 3:16-17 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.


Matthew 12:14-18 Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him. But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all; And charged them that they should not make him known: That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.

Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.John16:7

When God whose name is Jealous and will not share his glory with the things seen when did departing as the Son of Man he left clear direction

He first had to come in order go away so the Comforter could come.

His flesh was not "corrupted" as you continue to claim. We give Him honor and glory by acknowledging every facet of Him … that includes His life here on earth.

To reject that part of Him does not give Him the honor due to Him.

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

I have explained this verse to you. All it means is that Christ was no longer physically present. There were some in the church to which the letter was written who had known Christ when He walked on the earth.

What the verse is saying is that Christ is no longer known through His physical presence on the earth. Christ is known through His living within each and every believer. The believer becomes a new creation in Christ:

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.


If we do not know that Jesus Christ is in us, we have failed the test:

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you--unless, of course, you fail the test?


Again, garee, you have utterly failed to give any Scriptural corroboration to support your assertion that Jesus was "corrupt" in any way, shape, or form.

 

[garee]

I'm done with this. I don't think you have sufficient understanding of the English language to engage in a profitable discussion.

I am working on the English I am in a slow learning curve, sorry for the extra work.. Sometimes blessing are received slower.

I think it is more of the understanding according to the scriptures. According to my understanding words have assigned meanings and we are not to add to them or take away according to the law found in Deuteronomy 4:2.. .it protects the integrity

Will you define the word Daysman and how it is used in respect to the fact that God is not a man as.?

Still waiting what the law (1 Corinthians 14:22-23 concerning the sign of tongues confirms. Belief as in faith, or unbelief as in no faith that comes from hearing scripture (God's voice) alone as it is written. The one and only source of Christian faith .

 

[garee]

First of all, Jesus had no "corrupted flesh". When will you allow this truth to permeate your heart so that you are able to understand the fullness of the eternal purpose of God?

Yes He had a incorruptible Spirit in Him the power of God not seen no power from his earthen corrupted body . Which he says profits for zero, nothing. Just as us today.

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

I think both him and his mother from who he inherited his corrupted flesh from both aged as the wrath of God revealed from heaven . A dying creation.

Its never about the flesh as to what the eyes see that can only cause pride as a false zealous for knowing God. . Remember we are not that which we will be as sons of God. The new will be neither male not female Jew nor gentiles .No new babies to grow up and die..

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

We walk by faith. . . the unseen understanding, it is of the father

 

[garee]

Secondly, and this is very interesting … before there is any mention of the suffering revealed in Isaiah 53, go back to Isaiah 52:13 and read what God has to say concerning His Servant:

Isaiah 52:13 Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high.

He shall be exalted
He shall be extolled
He shall be very high


Philippians 2:9-11 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

One day, your knee will bow and I pray you bow your knee today and that you do not wait until the day when you will be made to bow.

Thanks for the reply.

I would not bow down to the things seen rather than walking by faith the unseen eternal.

Yes, according to Isiah 53 when the Son of man came it used one time as outward demonstration of the unseen father working with the Son of God, in the Son of man . It was not in respect to the flesh of Son of man . The father in the greater position struck the Son with the letter of the law in our stead. Causing him to suffer because he did the will of the father . Two working together in perfect harmony and submissiveness .In order to establish the government of God .The government was on the shoulder of Him, by Him, and through him by that loving bond we are yoked together .

The Son of Man was place in a very high spiritual position .We do not wrestle against flesh and blood the corrupted things seen and neither are supported by or through them

In refernce to Philippians 2:9-11 It revealed how the father worked in and with the Son just as with us . . to both will and do the pleasure of God. Some murmur in a hope their flesh could profit for something.

For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings:Philippians 2:13-14

My advice would be for them to get over themselves .Look into the mirror of liberty .. the unseen reflection.

 

[garee]

He first had to come in order go away so the Comforter could come.

His flesh was not "corrupted" as you continue to claim. We give Him honor and glory by acknowledging every facet of Him … that includes His life here on earth.

To reject that part of Him does not give Him the honor due to Him.

We don't reject but do properly address it.

I think you meant he first had to disappear ,before the comforter would come. Can't serve two masters .(1#) What the eyes see the things of men. And (2#) what the Spirit reveals the things of God. .

Peter in Mathew 16 tried he was forgiven of his blasphemy . It would seem he had difficulty in what to give worship to (which master ).the things of men seen, or the things of God not seen.

Great object lesson helping us to focus on the unseen eternal things of God. The law of faith.

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. Mathew 16:22-23

 

[reneweddaybyday]

First of all, Jesus had no "corrupted flesh". When will you allow this truth to permeate your heart so that you are able to understand the fullness of the eternal purpose of God?

Yes He had a incorruptible Spirit in Him the power of God not seen no power from his earthen corrupted body . Which he says profits for zero, nothing. Just as us today.

His body was not corrupted.

He was the Lamb without blemish and without spot. If there was any corruption in Him, redemption of mankind has not been completed.

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

The subject of 2 Cor 4:7 is not the body of the Lord Jesus Christ while He was present on earth.

The subject of 2 Cor 4:7 is what the believer has in his/her physical body while we await the return of the Lord Jesus Christ:

2 Corinthians 4:

6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.


The treasure we hold our earthen vessels is the light which shines in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

I think both him and his mother from who he inherited his corrupted flesh from both aged as the wrath of God revealed from heaven . A dying creation.

First ... He did not inherit any "corrupted flesh". He was and ever is the only begotten of the Father.

Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.


Secondly ... the Lord Jesus Christ laid down His life. If He had not laid down His life, and if it was not required that He lay down His life, He could and would be alive to this day.

Just as Adam and Eve ... if they had not sinned, they could have continued living.

Just as we ... when we are changed and have our new bodies, we will live forever in the new heaven / new earth.

Its never about the flesh as to what the eyes see that can only cause pride as a false zealous for knowing God. .

The earthly life of Jesus was necessary and to give honor to Him for His life in the flesh in no way causes "pride as a false zealous for knowing God".

For you to continue to hold the physical life of Jesus in contempt and as not necessary, or unworthy of any notice whatsoever, is utter foolishness on your part. Study Scripture, learn about Him. Why did Jesus have to come in the flesh? All the offerings, all the implements of the tabernacle, the High Priest, the tabernacle itself and especially the holy of holies are all pictures and shadows of the Lord Jesus Christ.

To ignore Him, His life, His purpose is beyond foolishness.

Remember we are not that which we will be as sons of God.

He was never like us ... and He was and is the only begotten Son of God.

The new will be neither male not female Jew nor gentiles .No new babies to grow up and die..

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

We walk by faith. . . the unseen understanding, it is of the father

This, again, is not proof that Jesus was in any way "corrupted".


Again, garee, you have utterly failed to give any Scriptural corroboration to support your assertion that Jesus was "corrupt" in any way, shape, or form.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

I would not bow down to the things seen rather than walking by faith the unseen eternal.

Well, there is a day coming and you will bow. And He will be seen. He will be visible. He will not be "unseen".

Every knee will bow to Him.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

We don't reject but do properly address it.

Who is "we" you refer to here?

I think you meant he first had to disappear ,before the comforter would come.

Nope. I meant what I said.

If He had not physically come to earth, He would not have had to go away in order for the Comforter to come.

His physical birth was necessary ... His life was necessary ... His crucifixion was necessary ... His resurrection was necessary ... His ascension was necessary.

Can't have the Comforter without all aspects of Jesus ...

Can't serve two masters .

Serving the Lord Jesus Christ is not serving "two masters".

Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

Galatians 1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

Ephesians 6:6 Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart;

Philippians 1:1 Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:

Colossians 4:12 Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always labouring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God.

Jude 1:1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

2 Peter 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

(1#) What the eyes see the things of men. And (2#) what the Spirit reveals the things of God. .

Peter in Mathew 16 tried he was forgiven of his blasphemy . It would seem he had difficulty in what to give worship to (which master ).the things of men seen, or the things of God not seen.

Great object lesson helping us to focus on the unseen eternal things of God. The law of faith.

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. Mathew 16:22-23

Peter was not rebuked for serving the Lord Jesus Christ.

Peter was rebuked for not serving the Lord Jesus Christ.

When Jesus told His disciples that He had to go to Jerusalem where He would suffer many things of the elders, chief priests, and scribes and that He would die, Peter rebuked His Lord:

Matthew 16:

21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.


Peter rebuked His Lord and received harsh correction from Jesus.

But this in no way points to any corruption in Jesus.

 

[garee]

garee said:


We don't reject but do properly address it.

Who is "we" you refer to here?

Sorry I meant I.

 

[garee]

Peter was not rebuked for serving the Lord Jesus Christ.

Peter was rebuked for not serving the Lord Jesus Christ.

When Jesus told His disciples that He had to go to Jerusalem where He would suffer many things of the elders, chief priests, and scribes and that He would die, Peter rebuked His Lord:

Matthew 16:

21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.


Peter rebuked His Lord and received harsh correction from Jesus.

But this in no way points to any corruption in Jesus.

The unseen Spirit of Christ is not corrupted only what the eyes saw .

It points to the fact that the corrupted flesh of the Son of Man , Jesus that he inherited from his mother can be traced all the way back to Eve .

And yes Peter rebuked the Son of man, Jesus and therefore was forgiven of his blasphemy. It was not imputed against Peter , because of the corrupted flesh of Jesus as the temporal thing seen.. When Jesu left he gave us the commandment that even though some did know him after the flesh what the eyes see that from then on we are not to look for another demonstration.

Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known (past tense) Christ after the flesh, yet "now henceforth" know we him no more.2 Corithians5:16

Looks to me that bowing down to flesh will not occur. It did not when he was here .There will not be a second demonstration.

Why even look for one rather than walking by faith ? Are you opposed to walking by faith .

Bowing down the a name according to those who walk by faith is on going.

 

[Dino246]

The unseen Spirit of Christ is not corrupted only what the eyes saw .

Heresy.

It points to the fact that the corrupted flesh of the Son of Man , Jesus that he inherited from his mother can be traced all the way back to Eve .[/QUOTE]
Heresy.

And yes Peter rebuked the Son of man, Jesus and therefore was forgiven of his blasphemy. It was not imputed against Peter , because of the corrupted flesh of Jesus as the temporal thing seen.. When Jesu left he gave us the commandment that even though some did know him after the flesh what the eyes see that from then on we are not to look for another demonstration.[/QUOTE]
Heresy.

It's about time you got banned.

 

[PennEd]

The unseen Spirit of Christ is not corrupted only what the eyes saw .

It points to the fact that the corrupted flesh of the Son of Man , Jesus that he inherited from his mother can be traced all the way back to Eve .

And yes Peter rebuked the Son of man, Jesus and therefore was forgiven of his blasphemy. It was not imputed against Peter , because of the corrupted flesh of Jesus as the temporal thing seen.. When Jesu left he gave us the commandment that even though some did know him after the flesh what the eyes see that from then on we are not to look for another demonstration.

Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known (past tense) Christ after the flesh, yet "now henceforth" know we him no more.2 Corithians5:16

Looks to me that bowing down to flesh will not occur. It did not when he was here .There will not be a second demonstration.

Why even look for one rather than walking by faith ? Are you opposed to walking by faith .

Bowing down the a name according to those who walk by faith is on going.

No bowing down to Jesus while He was on Earth in the Flesh YOU say... Hmmm
Matthew 2:11 New King James Version (NKJV)
11 And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him. And when they had opened their treasures, they presented gifts to Him: gold, frankincense, and myrrh.

Mark 5:6 New King James Version (NKJV)
6 When he saw Jesus from afar, he ran and worshiped Him.

Matthew 20:20 New King James Version (NKJV)
Greatness Is Serving
20 Then the mother of Zebedee’s sons came to Him with her sons, kneeling down and asking something from Him.

Luke 17:16 New King James Version (NKJV)
16 and fell down on his face at His feet, giving Him thanks. And he was a Samaritan.

John 11:32 New King James Version (NKJV)
32 Then, when Mary came where Jesus was, and saw Him, she fell down at His feet, saying to Him, “Lord, if You had been here, my brother would not have died.”
John 18:6 New King James Version (NKJV)
6 Now when He said to them, “I am He,” they drew back and fell to the ground.

Luke 5:12 New King James Version (NKJV)
Jesus Cleanses a Leper
12 And it happened when He was in a certain city, that behold, a man who was full of leprosy saw Jesus; and he fell on his face and [a]implored Him, saying, “Lord, if You are willing, You can make me clean.”
Luke 5:8 New King James Version (NKJV)
8 When Simon Peter saw it, he fell down at Jesus’ knees, saying, “Depart from me, for I am a sinful man, O Lord!”
Mark 5:22 New King James Version (NKJV)
22 And behold, one of the rulers of the synagogue came, Jairus by name. And when he saw Him, he fell at His feet
Mark 7:25 New King James Version (NKJV)
25 For a woman whose young daughter had an unclean spirit heard about Him, and she came and fell at His feet.



There are more, but this should destroy your notion that Jesus wasn't worshiped while in the Flesh on Earth.

Aside from that you are flat out wrong about Jesus inheriting sin through Mary. Our sin nature is inherited through ADAM. That is precisely why Jesus had to have God the Father as His Father.

STOP WITH THE BLASPHEMY! Jesus' Flesh was NOT corrupted. He was spotless and sinless. If He wasn't He couldn't pay our debt.

This Christianity 101!

 

[reneweddaybyday]

It points to the fact that the corrupted flesh of the Son of Man , Jesus that he inherited from his mother can be traced all the way back to Eve .

And yes Peter rebuked the Son of man, Jesus and therefore was forgiven of his blasphemy. It was not imputed against Peter , because of the corrupted flesh of Jesus as the temporal thing seen..

I have provided Scriptural support to confirm that the Lord Jesus Christ was the Lamb of God, without blemish and without spot. You refuse to believe Scripture (walk by faith) concerning this issue and have decided to maintain your Scripturally unsupported mantra.

Looks to me that bowing down to flesh will not occur.

Those who did not bow to Him during His earthly ministry were the ones who rejected Messiah ...

It did not when he was here .

Thanks @PennEd for providing Scriptural support in your Post #352 ... which again disproves the assertions of garee.

There will not be a second demonstration.

When He comes again, He is coming as King of kings and Lord of lords.

Maybe you'll bow then?

Whether Jesus comes as humble Servant or King of kings, He was and is due our utmost respect. That you do not acknowledge this fact leads me to believe that you have respect to the outward appearance and it appears you walk by sight and not by faith.

Why even look for one rather than walking by faith ? Are you opposed to walking by faith .

Just because I embrace every aspect of God's eternal purpose (which includes Messiah having come in the flesh) and I give honor due to Him for His earthly life and ministry, does not mean I am not "walking by faith" or that I am "opposed to walking by faith".

In fact, the one who is not "walking by faith" and who appears to be "opposed to walking by faith" would be the one who continues to turn a blind eye and a hardened heart to a pivotal aspect of the eternal purpose of God.

 

[garee]

No bowing down to Jesus while He was on Earth in the Flesh YOU say... Hmmm
Matthew 2:11 New King James Version (NKJV)
11 And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him. And when they had opened their treasures, they presented gifts to Him: gold, frankincense, and myrrh.

Mark 5:6 New King James Version (NKJV)
6 When he saw Jesus from afar, he ran and worshiped Him.

Matthew 20:20 New King James Version (NKJV)
Greatness Is Serving
20 Then the mother of Zebedee’s sons came to Him with her sons, kneeling down and asking something from Him.

Luke 17:16 New King James Version (NKJV)
16 and fell down on his face at His feet, giving Him thanks. And he was a Samaritan.

John 11:32 New King James Version (NKJV)
32 Then, when Mary came where Jesus was, and saw Him, she fell down at His feet, saying to Him, “Lord, if You had been here, my brother would not have died.”
John 18:6 New King James Version (NKJV)
6 Now when He said to them, “I am He,” they drew back and fell to the ground.

Luke 5:12 New King James Version (NKJV)
Jesus Cleanses a Leper
12 And it happened when He was in a certain city, that behold, a man who was full of leprosy saw Jesus; and he fell on his face and [a]implored Him, saying, “Lord, if You are willing, You can make me clean.”
Luke 5:8 New King James Version (NKJV)
8 When Simon Peter saw it, he fell down at Jesus’ knees, saying, “Depart from me, for I am a sinful man, O Lord!”
Mark 5:22 New King James Version (NKJV)
22 And behold, one of the rulers of the synagogue came, Jairus by name. And when he saw Him, he fell at His feet
Mark 7:25 New King James Version (NKJV)
25 For a woman whose young daughter had an unclean spirit heard about Him, and she came and fell at His feet.



There are more, but this should destroy your notion that Jesus wasn't worshiped while in the Flesh on Earth.

Aside from that you are flat out wrong about Jesus inheriting sin through Mary. Our sin nature is inherited through ADAM. That is precisely why Jesus had to have God the Father as His Father.

STOP WITH THE BLASPHEMY! Jesus' Flesh was NOT corrupted. He was spotless and sinless. If He wasn't He couldn't pay our debt.

This Christianity 101!

Hi thanks for the reply.

I did not say His Eternal Spirit, spotless and sinless was corrupted but did reference that to his corrupted flesh needed for a one time outward demonstration of the lamb who was slain from the foundation of the world .This is when God did perform the work . He rested on the seventh from all the work he performed . Again a one time "demonstration" looking back to the foundation of the world

Nothing is accredited to the flesh. .Jesus clearly said in John 6 what the eyes see did not profit .Its the unseen Holy Spirit that alone can. We serve one Master the unseen.

Romans 8 informs us it must of been typified as sinful to perform what the law as to the letter could not .Heal by creating anew .The law of faith (the unseen eternal)

Romans 8 King James Version (KJV) There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Jesus said. . "it is finished" then of his own free will His incorruptible Spirit returned to the father ..

For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment.Neither is there any daysman (fleshly infallible mediator between God and man as Master) betwixt us, that might lay his(Pope) hand upon us both.Job 9:32*33

Not one of those verses you offered shows someone bowing down to the flesh, the temporal corrupted as the things seen and not in respect to the Spirit not seen .

Jesus never said you have seen my flesh well done its enough as in. . who needs faith when you have God right in front of you. That is the foundation of Paganism. . . see then believe, No faith needed

My point was not that some did know Christ as the Holy Spirt of God (by faith). Identified as the Son of God not seen .But do not know Him in respect to the flesh, the things seen as the Son of man . The "Son of man(the eternal) and the Son of God (temporal have there places. Making it all one Master destroys the purpose for the words needed to help us understand the mysteries. Only God is good.

We walk or understanding by faith after that not seen the etenal. And not that seen the corrupted flesh . In that way no man can serve both or two masters

God is not a man as us. Its is his desire to worshiped as God .Eternal Spirit .Not man. And as we are informed.

When doubting Thomas was shown the flesh Jesus did not say well done faithful and true Thomas .But rather used it to show he had no fait calling him faithless. catholic are quick to grab Thomas and say see .yet they remain blind to the teaching. eulogizing the flesh .as a corrupted rudiment of this world. We simply do not know Christ by looking at a image.

John 20:27-29Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

No blessing in seeing and then believing .

Makes me wonder when he does come on the last day will he find men walking by a faith that comes from as it is written .or like in the days of Noah men walking after the experinces of their own hearts . Like out of the body or near death, or I had a dream . No need for eternal faith as it is written .Just keep your eyes open the shkies the limit just belive,

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the (corrupted) rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.......(Not seen)


Colossians 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the (corrupted, dead ) rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,

 

[garee]

I have provided Scriptural support to confirm that the Lord Jesus Christ was the Lamb of God, without blemish and without spot. You refuse to believe Scripture (walk by faith) concerning this issue and have decided to maintain your Scripturally unsupported mantra.

Three finger pointing back brother.. Yes he is the lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world. (the faith perspective).This is when he was working out our salvation.

Not in respect to the one time "demonstration" using corrupted flesh . It is a shadow of the unseen work .Again performed during the 6 days he did work .He rested on the seventh to show nothing more was needed. . .to believe by faith.... We do not walk after the demonstration what the eyes see, and destroy the law of faith .

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more

How long is henceforth know we him no more??

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Yes he is the lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world. (the faith perspective).This is when he was working out our salvation.

I have provided Scripture which indicates Jesus was the Lamb of God, without blemish, without spot.

1 Peter 1:18-19 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot

without blemish =​

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299 ámōmos (an adjective, derived from 1 /A "not" and 3470/mṓmos, "blemish") – properly, unblemished, without spot or blot (blight); (figuratively) morally, spiritually blameless, unblemished from the marring effects of sin.​

Jesus had no likeness or image of Adam in Him. Recall the words of Gabriel to Mary The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God (Luke 1:35).

without spot =​

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784 áspilos (an adjective, derived from 1 /A "without" and 4696/spílos, "spot, blemish") – properly, unspotted (unstained); (figuratively) undefiled and hence fully acceptable.​

For you to continue to insist that the Lamb of God had "corrupted flesh" is to infer that His offering was an abomination unto the Lord thy God, God would not have accepted the offering, and our salvation has not been worked out.

Not in respect to the one time "demonstration" using corrupted flesh .

"corrupted flesh" was not offered to God.

If, as you claim, Jesus' offered "corrupted flesh", that would be an abomination (Deut 17:1), the offerer would be cursed (Mal 1:14), and the offering would not be acceptable to God.

Deuteronomy 17:1 Thou shalt not sacrifice unto the LORD thy God any bullock, or sheep, wherein is blemish, or any evilfavouredness: for that is an abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Malachi 1:14 But cursed be the deceiver, which hath in his flock a male, and voweth, and sacrificeth unto the Lord a corrupt thing ...

He rested on the seventh to show nothing more was needed. . .to believe by faith.... We do not walk after the demonstration what the eyes see, and destroy the law of faith .

You are the one who continues to "destroy the law of faith" by not having faith in God's ability to beget His only begotten Son with no "corrupted flesh".

Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

 

[garee]

I have provided Scripture which indicates Jesus was the Lamb of God, without blemish, without spot.

1 Peter 1:18-19 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot

without blemish =

299 ámōmos (an adjective, derived from 1 /A "not" and 3470/mṓmos, "blemish") – properly, unblemished, without spot or blot (blight); (figuratively) morally, spiritually blameless, unblemished from the marring effects of sin.

You keep glorying in the flesh of the Son of man as if the things seen are the eternal and his kingdom has come .

I agree he is the spotless lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world . But that is not in respect to flesh. . . which again Jesus said of his own flesh; "it does not could never profit" as if God was a man as us. Its the work of the unseen Spirit that alone could profit.

No ressurection power is attributed to what the eys see. We walk by faith the eternal not after the Son of man the temporal.

Flesh seen= no power
Spirit not seen= all the power

Romans 1:3-5 King James Version (KJV) Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And declared to be the Son of God (not the Son of man) with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

No power to the flesh in respect to the birth(no such thing as holiness of the flesh. That's a Catholic doctrine .They deny the grace of God by making it after what the eyes see.( No faith)

 

[garee]

If, as you claim, Jesus' offered "corrupted flesh", that would be an abomination (Deut 17:1), the offerer would be cursed (Mal 1:14), and the offering would not be acceptable to God.

Deuteronomy 17:1 Thou shalt not sacrifice unto the LORD thy God any bullock, or sheep, wherein is blemish, or any evilfavouredness: for that is an abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Malachi 1:14 But cursed be the deceiver, which hath in his flock a male, and voweth, and sacrificeth unto the Lord a corrupt thing …

I did not say he offered up the corrupted flesh that temporally held His eternal Spirit. Just as with us .We have that treasure of His power in these earthen bodies of death but would never assume they are after the flesh.

God does not accept dead sacrifices . He said his flesh does not profit as a demonstration of the finished work .He is the lamb slain from the foundation 6 days when he was working..

Many disciples that were hoping it could be after what the eyes sees and not by faith the unseen eternal. . walked away in unbelief (no faith) He gave Peter the faith to believe . He acknowledged the flesh profits for zero. He said to Jesus to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.(not seen) From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.John6:62-68

Peter did not say you have flesh of eternal life...

I am hoping you will not walk away from faith, the unseen gift of God. .

 

[reneweddaybyday]

You keep glorying in the flesh of the Son of man as if the things seen are the eternal and his kingdom has come .

Acknowledging every facet of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ ... including His time here on this earth ... His birth, life, crucifixion, resurrection, ascension, re-appearing at some point in the future ... is giving proper honor and respect to Him.

I do acknowledge that you, at the very least, have now removed the word "corrupt" from your rhetoric.

I agree he is the spotless lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world . But that is not in respect to flesh. . .

He is "the spotless lamb of God" in respect to every aspect of His being.

If there were any spot or blemish in Him ... including His flesh ... His offering would be an abomination to God:

Deuteronomy 17:1 Thou shalt not sacrifice unto the LORD thy God any bullock, or sheep, wherein is blemish, or any evilfavouredness: for that is an abomination unto the LORD thy God.

which again Jesus said of his own flesh; "it does not could never profit" as if God was a man as us. Its the work of the unseen Spirit that alone could profit.

The fact that Jesus came in the flesh is Scripturally documented. If there was no need for Jesus to come in the flesh, He would not have come and would have left all to "the work of the unseen Spirit ... alone".

No ressurection power is attributed to what the eys see. We walk by faith the eternal not after the Son of man the temporal.

For you to continue to infer that I do not walk by faith because I acknowledge every aspect of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, including the fact that His flesh was not corrupted, is a judgment on your part which you are wholly unqualified to make.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

I did not say he offered up the corrupted flesh

When you continue to make statements that Jesus' flesh was corrupted, that is exactly what you are saying.

God does not accept dead sacrifices .

It took the death of His Son to reconcile mankind to God.

Romans 5:

7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.

8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.


In fact, garee, did you know that if satan had known the eternal plan of God (including the mystery which was kept secret from the foundation of the world), satan would never have crucified Christ?

1 Corinthians 2:7-8 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

So why don't you take the time to read Scripture ... the whole of Scripture ... to find out exactly what occurred and what was required in order to redeem mankind?

Instead of propping up a doctrine which is not contained in Scripture and then accusing brothers and sisters in Christ of not walking by faith because they do acknowledge and give proper honor and respect to every aspect of the Lord Jesus Christ, why don't you stop and think ... hey, what am I missing? Why is the earthly life and ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ important and worthy of my attention?

He said his flesh does not profit as a demonstration of the finished work .He is the lamb slain from the foundation 6 days when he was working..

Many disciples that were hoping it could be after what the eyes sees and not by faith the unseen eternal. . walked away in unbelief (no faith) He gave Peter the faith to believe . He acknowledged the flesh profits for zero. He said to Jesus to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.(not seen) From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.John6:62-68

In Matt 4:4, Jesus said Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Same concept in John 6. There are many verses in Scripture which tell us this truth. Do we need physical food? Yes. And more than physical food, we need to feed on the spiritual milk and meat of Scripture in order to have fullness of life.

Your rendering and misapplication of John 6 does not give you the authority to imply or say that Jesus' flesh was corrupt.

Peter did not say you have flesh of eternal life...

Because some of the disciples misinterpreted the teaching of Jesus, they left following Him, which prompted Jesus to ask if any other disciples would leave Him:

John 6:

66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?

68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.


Peter's response to Jesus was "you have the words of eternal life"

Same concept as Matt 4:4 ... man shall live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.

Jeremiah wrote Thy words were found, and I did eat them (Jer 15:16). Does that mean Jeremiah found the scroll and took a bite out of it? Of course not!

When Jesus told those who were present I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst (John 6:35), and when He said Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you (John 6:53), do you really think He was telling them to take a bite out of Him? Of course not!

He was using the physical to impart spiritual truth.

I am hoping you will not walk away from faith, the unseen gift of God. .

Quit saying or implying that I do not walk in faith just because I embrace the whole of my Lord Jesus Christ ... every aspect of Him is worthy of my utmost honor and respect. Even if you don't like it.