nephilim

[reneweddaybyday]

He was talking about the wickedness of mankind male and female or sinners . The discussion had nothing to do with lying spirits that have no form DNA. ..Hollywood gives them DNA.

All of the information is understood by looking at the opening verse . When men ( Mankind, the key to understanding the chapter. ) Not just men were born .The pattern is it take a man and woman . Daughters of men is simply saying mankind .Eve the mother .

Of God, or of men . No limbo in between ..

Genesis 6:1-5 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, (Not born unto gigantic demons )That the sons of God (not sons of mankind but born from above.) saw the daughters of men( mankind) that they were fair; and they took them wives (or husbands) of all which they chose. And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, (mandkind not sons of God) for that he also is flesh: (not as sons of God a new spirit) yet his (mankind) days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God (born from above of God not born of daughters of men) came in unto the daughters of men,(mankind) and they bare children to them, (God designed men and woman procreate , mankind ) the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. And God saw that the wickedness of man (mankind) was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Of or coming from (progenitor). Two kind of seeds being discussed in those verses . One is not seen it dwells in those seen .the other the ones God was preserving. Don't be unevenly yoked.

A distinction must be made between the "things of mankind" and "those of God" or the fall in the garden of Eden will continue over and over.

This reply does not address the issue.

You continue to claim that the nephilim were “giants of faith”.

If the nephilim were “giants of faith”, then God utterly destroyed believers.

That is not what happened back in Gen 6.

The believers were brought safely through the flood.

If the nephilim were “giants of faith”, why were they not brought through the flood with Noah?

 

[Hungry]

I have shown that whatever came out of the bottomless pit (described as locusts by John in Rev 9:3), had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hat his name Apollyon.

As far as whether Abaddon/Apollyon was involved in whatever occurred which resulted in nephilim ... I believe yes. You believe no.

If you believe yes then it completely based upon nothing you read in scripture. There is no given relationship that the fathers of hybrids followed Abaddon. In fact in the text chained until the Great day of Judgement which is at the end of the thousand year reign of Christ. To believe that the plague of “scorpion locusts” is these who left their first estate is plain and simple imagination on your part. When you give opinions based on facts it will cause others to reflect. When you give opinions on your imagination they will see your flaws and reject everything. Our testimony must be based in truth to stand up against sceptics. Do some fact checking.

 

[jaybird88]

Do you also believe there were people 100 ' tall ? LOLOL ..
Plato ? LOLOL ..
Face it Bro, Enoch tickles your itching ears , time to GROW UP !!!

i dont know, people at one time thought the world was flat until the knowledge was revealed. that goes back to the cave analogy which apparently your still in there.
learning things is what tickles my ears, i dont like being in the cave.

Answer this,
It was a simple question .. What was the angels created purpose ? And what was their first estate and habitation ? They sinned and were cast down from heaven , right ? Nowhere are we told what sin they committed .. The book of Enoch says what they thought but I don't believe the book of Enoch .. The book of Enoch states that the nephilim were 450' tall ''each'' .. That alone disqualifies Enoch as credible and takes the blame away from mankind imo .. The rest you have to force in .. There's no need to believe jewish fables .. Once Methuselah died there was no one left but Noah worth saving .. And if as you say that the nephillim was the offspring of ''fallen angels'' then how did they make it to this side of the flood ? I can make up stuff too .. I could say that when Methuselah died the first raindrop of the first rain hit his dead body between the eyes as he hit the ground dead .. The Ark was loaded and ready to go ..

14 Now therefore fear the LORD, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the LORD.
15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

answered back on post 612

 

[reneweddaybyday]

If you believe yes then it completely based upon nothing you read in scripture. There is no given relationship that the fathers of hybrids followed Abaddon. In fact in the text chained until the Great day of Judgement which is at the end of the thousand year reign of Christ. To believe that the plague of “scorpion locusts” is these who left their first estate is plain and simple imagination on your part.

Before relegating what I believe as "based upon nothing you read in scripture", please consider some issues I have concerning your understanding:


First issue:

Does the term "Great day of Judgement" mean specifically the judgment which takes place at "the end of the thousand year reign of Christ"?

Could the "Great day of Judgement" refer to the judgment which is also known as the day of the Lord?


In Rev 6:17 we read:

Revelation 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

The day of God's wrath is God's judgment on mankind.


After the 7th seal is opened, we read in Rev 8:13:

Revelation 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!


Then we have the fifth angel sound. The fifth angel has the key of the bottomless pit, out of which is released what appears to John to be locusts, and these locusts serve a king ... an angel referred to as Abaddon / Apollyon.

And please note, these "locusts" are commanded not to hurt grass, any green thing, any tree ... but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads (Rev 9:4). So this judgment of the "locusts" falls only on unbelievers.


I believe the angels involved in whatever occurred which resulted in nephilim, were chained in the bottomless pit and will be loosed to wreak havoc on the earth during the time of tribulation, otherwise known as the day of the Lord. They will be re-bound/re-chained along with satan and all satan's minions during the thousand year reign of Christ. Ultimately all fallen angels will be cast into the lake of fire.

You believe the angels involved in whatever occurred which resulted in nephilim are bound elsewhere and will be loosed only to be cast into the lake of fire.



Second issue:

Let us assume you are correct and that the angels which kept not their first estate are kept bound until "the end of the thousand year reign of Christ".

Who is this angel which is referred to as a "king" which is an "angel of the bottomless pit" and whose name is Abaddon / Apollyon?

Inasmuch as this angel is referred to as a "king", there must be others over which he is king.

When was this angel cast into the bottomless pit? When were those over which he is "king" cast into the bottomless pit?


God tells us that there are angels which are bound in chains (2 Peter 2:4, Jude 1:6).

God tells us that satan and his minions are allowed to roam the earth seeking whom he may devour (1 Peter 5:8) and satan is also free to stand before God and accuse the brethren day and night (Rev 12:10).

But God does not reveal to us when certain angels were relegated to the bottomless pit???


We also read a record in Luke 8 in which some devil spirits beg the Lord Jesus Christ to not cast them into the bottomless pit:

Luke 8:31 And they besought him that he would not command them to go out into the deep.

The deep = the abyssos aka the bottomless pit.


Apparently, you believe the bottomless pit is separate from the chains of darkness. Yet we know that the bottomless pit is secured by a key, and devil spirits beg not to be placed there.


We do not know when fallen angels were consigned to the abyssos but you know for a certainty that the angels in the abyssos are definitely not the angels who were bound in chains of darkness.

When you give opinions based on facts it will cause others to reflect. When you give opinions on your imagination they will see your flaws and reject everything. Our testimony must be based in truth to stand up against sceptics. Do some fact checking.

I have provided my line of reasoning as to what I believe and why I believe what I have stated.

Please provide Scripture which indicates that the angels which are reserved in everlasting chains under darkness are not the same as those held under key in the bottomless pit.

 

[bojack]

Just curious .. Does whatever you confess with your mouth eventually become you that you even believe a lie ?

Rev 12:10 tells us:

Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.


If cast down from heaven, how is the accuser standing before God day and night accusing the brethren?





Gen 6:4 tells us:

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

nephilim are called nephilim in Genesis.

And it is apparent from Gen 6:4 that there were nephilim in days of Noah, and also after that.

Whenever sons of God came in unto the daughters of men the result was nephilim. And Scripture refers to nephilim under various terms.


nephilim also appear in Numbers 13:

Numbers 13:33 And there we saw the giants (nephilim), the sons of Anak, which come of the giants (nephilim): and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

These nephilim are referred to as anakims.


Then we also have rephaims. In Deut we read:

Deuteronomy 2:20-21 (That also was accounted a land of giants (Hebrew rapha'): giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims; A people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims …





Did God "make up stuff"? God tells us about the nephilim, the anakim, the rephaim, the emim, the zamzummim, etc., etc.

God doesn’t tell us all He knows about these evil, wicked offspring.

However, God does tell us what He wants us to know about them. They were evil, wicked, unredeemable. God’s remedy was to destroy them from off the face of the earth.

And for some reason, angels were chained due to whatever activity they were involved in which resulted in nephilim, anakim, rephaim, emim, zamzummim, etc., etc.

Yet God allowed (and still allows) satan and his minions to roam about the earth, to accuse the brethren day and night before Him.

There is a day coming when satan will be cast into the lake of fire and brimstone (Rev 20:10) and we will live on a new heaven and new earth, all tears wiped away, the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it and we shall serve ... we shall see His face and have His name in our foreheads.

God is omnipresent, not Satan .. The nephillim after the flood can be traced back to Noah as their father .. When Jobs sons gathered to honor their feast days they gathered at one anothers homes and invited their sisters, Satan also went in .. Do you think the devil ever enters your gatherings or church ?

 

[bojack]

i dont know, people at one time thought the world was flat until the knowledge was revealed. that goes back to the cave analogy which apparently your still in there.
learning things is what tickles my ears, i dont like being in the cave.



answered back on post 612

Enoch says angels mated with humans , why ? What was the reason ?

 

[reneweddaybyday]

When Jobs sons gathered to honor their feast days they gathered at one anothers homes and invited their sisters, Satan also went in

chapter and verse please. Thank you.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

What was the reason ?

To corrupt the bloodline of mankind in order to thwart the coming of the seed of the woman Who would bruise the head of satan.

only Noah was perfect in his generations

 

[bojack]

chapter and verse please. Thank you.

Sons of God are not fallen angels or is Satan ..
1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
2 And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters.
3 His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east.
4 And his sons went and feasted in their houses, every one his day; and sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them.
5 And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

 

[bojack]

To corrupt the bloodline of mankind in order to thwart the coming of the seed of the woman Who would bruise the head of satan.

only Noah was perfect in his generations

Noah had brothers and sisters, was their blood tainted ?
If you say fallen angels post flood created offspring with human women then God failed .. If God says there are nephillim before and after the flood then they had to come from Noah and no mating with angels , nephillim are not hybrid fallen angel offspring ..

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Sons of God are not fallen angels or is Satan ..
1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
2 And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters.
3 His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east.
4 And his sons went and feasted in their houses, every one his day; and sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them.
5 And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

So God had this discussion with satan in front of Job and family?

Job 1:12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.


And also this discussion:

Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

...

6 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life.



If Job was there at the time satan accused Job before God, why didn't Job just tell that to his friends Eliphaz , Bildad, and Zophar?

 

[reneweddaybyday]

If you say fallen angels post flood created offspring with human women then God failed ..

Gen 6:4 tells us that there were nephilim on the earth in those days (days of Noah) and also after that ...

It is clear from Numbers 13 that the children of Israel ran into nephilim:

Numbers 13:33 And there we saw the giants (nephilim), the sons of Anak, which come of the giants (nephilim): and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.


That you consider nephilim appearing after days of Noah a failure does not make the appearance of nephilim a failure on God's part ... especially when God tells us in Gen 6 that there was a further instance of nephilim.

 

[Hungry]

Before relegating what I believe as "based upon nothing you read in scripture", please consider some issues I have concerning your understanding:


First issue:

Does the term "Great day of Judgement" mean specifically the judgment which takes place at "the end of the thousand year reign of Christ"?

Could the "Great day of Judgement" refer to the judgment which is also known as the day of the Lord?


In Rev 6:17 we read:

Revelation 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

The day of God's wrath is God's judgment on mankind.


After the 7th seal is opened, we read in Rev 8:13:

Revelation 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!


Then we have the fifth angel sound. The fifth angel has the key of the bottomless pit, out of which is released what appears to John to be locusts, and these locusts serve a king ... an angel referred to as Abaddon / Apollyon.

And please note, these "locusts" are commanded not to hurt grass, any green thing, any tree ... but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads (Rev 9:4). So this judgment of the "locusts" falls only on unbelievers.


I believe the angels involved in whatever occurred which resulted in nephilim, were chained in the bottomless pit and will be loosed to wreak havoc on the earth during the time of tribulation, otherwise known as the day of the Lord. They will be re-bound/re-chained along with satan and all satan's minions during the thousand year reign of Christ. Ultimately all fallen angels will be cast into the lake of fire.

You believe the angels involved in whatever occurred which resulted in nephilim are bound elsewhere and will be loosed only to be cast into the lake of fire.



Second issue:

Let us assume you are correct and that the angels which kept not their first estate are kept bound until "the end of the thousand year reign of Christ".

Who is this angel which is referred to as a "king" which is an "angel of the bottomless pit" and whose name is Abaddon / Apollyon?

Inasmuch as this angel is referred to as a "king", there must be others over which he is king.

When was this angel cast into the bottomless pit? When were those over which he is "king" cast into the bottomless pit?


God tells us that there are angels which are bound in chains (2 Peter 2:4, Jude 1:6).

God tells us that satan and his minions are allowed to roam the earth seeking whom he may devour (1 Peter 5:8) and satan is also free to stand before God and accuse the brethren day and night (Rev 12:10).

But God does not reveal to us when certain angels were relegated to the bottomless pit???


We also read a record in Luke 8 in which some devil spirits beg the Lord Jesus Christ to not cast them into the bottomless pit:

Luke 8:31 And they besought him that he would not command them to go out into the deep.

The deep = the abyssos aka the bottomless pit.


Apparently, you believe the bottomless pit is separate from the chains of darkness. Yet we know that the bottomless pit is secured by a key, and devil spirits beg not to be placed there.


We do not know when fallen angels were consigned to the abyssos but you know for a certainty that the angels in the abyssos are definitely not the angels who were bound in chains of darkness.






I have provided my line of reasoning as to what I believe and why I believe what I have stated.

Please provide Scripture which indicates that the angels which are reserved in everlasting chains under darkness are not the same as those held under key in the bottomless pit.

I believe that the Abyss spoken of can house both imprisoned sons of elohim and locust like creatures. I have no reason to believe that locusts took daughters of men and impregnated them. It’s nonsensical. I’m not denying any scripture that you stated. What I am denying is the imagined connection. I’m baffled why you think that. Can you just pause and think it through? Does it make more sense that women mated with stinging locusts and produced nephalim, or maybe both reside in the Abyss?

 

[Hungry]

Gen 6:4 tells us that there were nephilim on the earth in those days (days of Noah) and also after that ...

It is clear from Numbers 13 that the children of Israel ran into nephilim:

Numbers 13:33 And there we saw the giants (nephilim), the sons of Anak, which come of the giants (nephilim): and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.


That you consider nephilim appearing after days of Noah a failure does not make the appearance of nephilim a failure on God's part ... especially when God tells us in Gen 6 that there was a further instance of nephilim.

Sorry for not going back to reread all of the posts, but where do you think giants originated?

 

[reneweddaybyday]

I believe that the Abyss spoken of can house both imprisoned sons of elohim and locust like creatures. I have no reason to believe that locusts took daughters of men and impregnated them. It’s nonsensical. I’m not denying any scripture that you stated. What I am denying is the imagined connection. I’m baffled why you think that. Can you just pause and think it through? Does it make more sense that women mated with stinging locusts and produced nephalim, or maybe both reside in the Abyss?

I understand your point.

I am uncertain that what John describes as "locusts" are actual locusts. Look at this description:

Revelation 9:

7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.

8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.

9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.

10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.


What locust looks like what is described in these verses?


We know that satan is chamelionlike in his ability to transform himself ... even to the point of transforming himself into an angel of light ... which is how he is able to deceive through false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ (2 Cor 11:13-14).


So did John see locusts?


Did John see devil spirits which appeared as described in Rev 9:7-10?


And please also note, according to Proverbs, locusts have no king ... The locusts have no king, yet go they forth all of them by bands - Proverbs 30:27.

Yet the locusts described in Rev 9 have a king.

So while John uses the word "locusts", again I am not sure that these are actual locusts.


This topic is one of those topics which will not be resolved until we have been perfected and we know even as also we are known.

I do appreciate open debate concerning what is being discussed and I appreciate your consideration of my understanding and I appreciate you sharing what you understand from Scripture relating to this topic.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Sorry for not going back to reread all of the posts, but where do you think giants originated?

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them

 

[bojack]

So God had this discussion with satan in front of Job and family?

Job 1:12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.


And also this discussion:

Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

...

6 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life.



If Job was there at the time satan accused Job before God, why didn't Job just tell that to his friends Eliphaz , Bildad, and Zophar?

Gen 6:4 tells us that there were nephilim on the earth in those days (days of Noah) and also after that ...

It is clear from Numbers 13 that the children of Israel ran into nephilim:

Numbers 13:33 And there we saw the giants (nephilim), the sons of Anak, which come of the giants (nephilim): and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.


That you consider nephilim appearing after days of Noah a failure does not make the appearance of nephilim a failure on God's part ... especially when God tells us in Gen 6 that there was a further instance of nephilim.

You have no clue what nephilim is even though scripture defines them ? And you don't get Job either do you ? Sons of anak, did Anak come from Noah ? Joshua thought they ''anak'' were the perfect butt kicking size ..nephilim were sons of God who married daughters of men ''godless'' and took on the womens idols .. They became idolators and become as gods themselves in their own eyes .. A former knowledge of God mixed with idols to become real stinkers .. How many times has God warned of idolatry and the end results of it .. You can become possessed or oppressed with your fallen angels come in through worshipping idols ..

 

[Hungry]

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them

I know the verse but I want you to read it again and ask yourself, does it say the offspring were giants or just that giants existed? Perhaps the offspring died, but the giants were something or someone else.

 

[bojack]

You have no clue what nephilim is even though scripture defines them ? And you don't get Job either do you ? Sons of anak, did Anak come from Noah ? Joshua thought they ''anak'' were the perfect butt kicking size ..nephilim were sons of God who married daughters of men ''godless'' and took on the womens idols .. They became idolators and become as gods themselves in their own eyes .. A former knowledge of God mixed with idols to become real stinkers .. How many times has God warned of idolatry and the end results of it .. You can become possessed or oppressed with your fallen angels come in through worshipping idols ..

Sorry I made a mistake , nephelim resulted from mixed marriages .. Sons of God ''Sethites'' married daughters of men and the offspring were nephilim .. Mixing knowledge of God with idols

 

[Hungry]

I understand your point.

I am uncertain that what John describes as "locusts" are actual locusts. Look at this description:

Revelation 9:

7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.

8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.

9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.

10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.


What locust looks like what is described in these verses?


We know that satan is chamelionlike in his ability to transform himself ... even to the point of transforming himself into an angel of light ... which is how he is able to deceive through false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ (2 Cor 11:13-14).


So did John see locusts?


Did John see devil spirits which appeared as described in Rev 9:7-10?


And please also note, according to Proverbs, locusts have no king ... The locusts have no king, yet go they forth all of them by bands - Proverbs 30:27.

Yet the locusts described in Rev 9 have a king.

So while John uses the word "locusts", again I am not sure that these are actual locusts.


This topic is one of those topics which will not be resolved until we have been perfected and we know even as also we are known.

I do appreciate open debate concerning what is being discussed and I appreciate your consideration of my understanding and I appreciate you sharing what you understand from Scripture relating to this topic.

I have prayed long and hard about this for the Lord to open my eyes about what was written. Forget what you think you know. Understand this: elohim that was translated God in the OT actually means devine beings (plural) or heavenly beings. Now when it states in Gen 1:26, “God said, let us make man in our image and after our likeness.” It states in fact, the gods said let us make man in our image and after our likeness. Now, some devine beings are humanoid. That is what it states. That is why it also states, the sons of the gods saw that the daughters of men were fair (beautiful) and took them as wives. I’m not adding to scripture. That is a direct translation. It is only assumed that extra terrestrial beings (heavenly beings, elohim) are spirit. They aren’t shapeshifters.