New age

[shad]

"I am opposed to abortion, except possibly in cases of rape, incest, or when the mother's life is at stake."
Billy Graham


Even sincere Christians may differ on whether or not abortion is ever justified, especially in difficult situations such as rape or incest, or when tests reveal that the unborn child has severe abnormalities. (The Billy Graham Christian Worker's Handbook, p. 21)


You want me to endorse this man? No thanks.

Instead of beating around the bush why don't you lay it right on the line so that we can see what your heart is really like. A good tree can not bear corrupt or evil fruit only good fruit. You believe that Billy Graham is a false teacher and you can not endorse him or the fruit of his ministry because you believe it is evil. If you believe that the work of his ministry had nothing to do with God or the Holy Spirit and it was evil since its inception, then Billy Graham and all those associated with his evil ministry will be condemned under the wrath of God. Correct me if I am wrong, but you have to believe that His ministry was of the devil and converted sinners as twofold children of hell / Mt 23:15. This is what you really believe, isn't it?

 

[Grey]

Actually I'm just realizing the dangers of New Age right now... thanks for the video!

 

[miktre]

Instead of beating around the bush why don't you lay it right on the line so that we can see what your heart is really like. A good tree can not bear corrupt or evil fruit only good fruit. You believe that Billy Graham is a false teacher and you can not endorse him or the fruit of his ministry because you believe it is evil. If you believe that the work of his ministry had nothing to do with God or the Holy Spirit and it was evil since its inception, then Billy Graham and all those associated with his evil ministry will be condemned under the wrath of God. Correct me if I am wrong, but you have to believe that His ministry was of the devil and converted sinners as twofold children of hell / Mt 23:15. This is what you really believe, isn't it?

Pretty much.

 

[miktre]

Actually I'm just realizing the dangers of New Age right now... thanks for the video!

You are so welcome, I am very happy that you enjoyed it and are opening your eyes to this.

 

[shad]

Lol no I'm not convicted by what you said. The thing is that you pretty much ignored everything I said and continue in a narrow minded direction. Tell me this: Can a good tree bring bring forth corrupt fruit? Is that not what Mr. Graham did? Why would I give my endorsement to someone that does that? I've never seen him recant his statement, so I would have to naturally assume he stands by it.

John 15:16
Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

If Billy Graham's fruit is evil then your fruit must be good. I see Billy Graham's fruit and if his fruit is evil and yours is good, show me your good fruit that I can know that you have been chosen and ordained of God. If you have no fruit then what am I to think of you?

Prov 11:30
The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise.

Mt 7: 16-20
16 You will fully recognize them by their fruits. Do people pick grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles?
17 Even so, every healthy (sound) tree bears good fruit [worthy of admiration], but the sickly (decaying, worthless) tree bears bad (worthless) fruit.
18 A good (healthy) tree cannot bear bad (worthless) fruit, nor can a bad (diseased) tree bear excellent fruit [worthy of admiration].
19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and cast into the fire.
20 Therefore, you will fully know them by their fruits.

Mt 12:33
Either make the tree sound (healthy and good), and its fruit sound (healthy and good), or make the tree rotten (diseased and bad), and its fruit rotten (diseased and bad); for the tree is known and recognized and judged by its fruit.

Mt 13:23
As for what was sown on good soil, this is he who hears the Word and grasps and comprehends it; he indeed bears fruit and yields in one case a hundred times as much as was sown, in another sixty times as much, and in another thirty.

Jn 15:8
When you bear (produce) much fruit, My Father is honored and glorified, and you show and prove yourselves to be true followers of Mine.

I hear the fruit of your lips that condemns the fruit of a man of God that you consider to be evil. We know what you think of his fruit but what shall we think of your fruit? If your life glorifies the Father you must have much fruit to show and prove that you are a follower of Christ. If you have no good fruit to show that you are a follower of Christ, how can you condemn a man that has much fruit and can show and prove that he is a follower of Christ. Make your fruit either good or evil that we might judge the kind of tree that your fruit comes from.

 

[miktre]

John 15:16
Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

If Billy Graham's fruit is evil then your fruit must be good. I see Billy Graham's fruit and if his fruit is evil and yours is good, show me your good fruit that I can know that you have been chosen and ordained of God. If you have no fruit then what am I to think of you?

Prov 11:30
The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise.

Mt 7: 16-20
16 You will fully recognize them by their fruits. Do people pick grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles?
17 Even so, every healthy (sound) tree bears good fruit [worthy of admiration], but the sickly (decaying, worthless) tree bears bad (worthless) fruit.
18 A good (healthy) tree cannot bear bad (worthless) fruit, nor can a bad (diseased) tree bear excellent fruit [worthy of admiration].
19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and cast into the fire.
20 Therefore, you will fully know them by their fruits.

Mt 12:33
Either make the tree sound (healthy and good), and its fruit sound (healthy and good), or make the tree rotten (diseased and bad), and its fruit rotten (diseased and bad); for the tree is known and recognized and judged by its fruit.

Mt 13:23
As for what was sown on good soil, this is he who hears the Word and grasps and comprehends it; he indeed bears fruit and yields in one case a hundred times as much as was sown, in another sixty times as much, and in another thirty.

Jn 15:8
When you bear (produce) much fruit, My Father is honored and glorified, and you show and prove yourselves to be true followers of Mine.

I hear the fruit of your lips that condemns the fruit of a man of God that you consider to be evil. We know what you think of his fruit but what shall we think of your fruit? If your life glorifies the Father you must have much fruit to show and prove that you are a follower of Christ. If you have no good fruit to show that you are a follower of Christ, how can you condemn a man that has much fruit and can show and prove that he is a follower of Christ. Make your fruit either good or evil that we might judge the kind of tree that your fruit comes from.

I'm not here to boast men. I have thoroughly given you what I think about it, its not gonna change. If you want to turn this into a focus on my fruit, then lets do that so I can repent. If you see my posts that teach against Gods word then please make me aware. If I have not recanted the false teaching and repented already then I will do that immediately and be grateful unto you.

 

[shad]

I'm not here to boast men. I have thoroughly given you what I think about it, its not gonna change. If you want to turn this into a focus on my fruit, then lets do that so I can repent. If you see my posts that teach against Gods word then please make me aware. If I have not recanted the false teaching and repented already then I will do that immediately and be grateful unto you.

You avoid showing us your good fruit. If it is good fruit then we want to partake of it because it is from God. Here is an example of the fruit and wisdom of winning souls that I see in the ministry of Billy Graham over the past 50+ years with a godly family serving God to boot.

Dan 12:3 And the teachers and those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament, and those who turn many to righteousness (to uprightness and right standing with God) shall give forth light like the stars forever and ever.

Mt 13:43 Then will the righteous (those who are upright and in right standing with God) shine forth like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Let him who has ears [to hear] be listening, and let him consider and perceive and understand by hearing.

There are things that you have taught on this site that are way off, but I am talking about fruit, the fruit that remains. Where is that good fruit? That is the fruit that we are to know you by. There are many moral people that are in unbelief that have the same understanding as you do on the vast issues of moral rectitude but that has nothing to do with good fruit that comes from God. I want to know of the ones that you have turned unto righteousness that have remained as fruit. Where is that fruit? You criticize a ministry that has this kind of fruit but where is yours?

Are you involved with a ministry that is bearing much fruit? Are you winning lost souls, are you preaching the gospel to the lost, are you going into all the world and preaching Christ, are you building others up into Christ and laying your life down for the sake of the gospel so that all men might see the truth concerning Christ? Where is your faith and your fruit? Billy Graham put his faith in Christ and has the fruit to show for it. You can boast in your good fruit because it would come from the Lord, so you would be boasting in the Lord of the wonderful works that God has wrought unto the children of men. That's a good thing and that would be good works that came from abiding in the vine, Christ.

If Billy Graham is saved by the grace of God and has been cleansed by the blood of Christ, then he is your brother and you are to love your brother. If a man does not love his brother, he is a murderer and we know that no murderer has eternal life in him. If he is a brother and you do not love him as a brother you are taking a tremendous risk and you are revealing what is in your heart.

 

[miktre]

You avoid showing us your good fruit. If it is good fruit then we want to partake of it because it is from God. Here is an example of the fruit and wisdom of winning souls that I see in the ministry of Billy Graham over the past 50+ years with a godly family serving God to boot.

Dan 12:3 And the teachers and those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament, and those who turn many to righteousness (to uprightness and right standing with God) shall give forth light like the stars forever and ever.

Mt 13:43 Then will the righteous (those who are upright and in right standing with God) shine forth like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Let him who has ears [to hear] be listening, and let him consider and perceive and understand by hearing.

There are things that you have taught on this site that are way off, but I am talking about fruit, the fruit that remains. Where is that good fruit? That is the fruit that we are to know you by. There are many moral people that are in unbelief that have the same understanding as you do on the vast issues of moral rectitude but that has nothing to do with good fruit that comes from God. I want to know of the ones that you have turned unto righteousness that have remained as fruit. Where is that fruit? You criticize a ministry that has this kind of fruit but where is yours?

Are you involved with a ministry that is bearing much fruit? Are you winning lost souls, are you preaching the gospel to the lost, are you going into all the world and preaching Christ, are you building others up into Christ and laying your life down for the sake of the gospel so that all men might see the truth concerning Christ? Where is your faith and your fruit? Billy Graham put his faith in Christ and has the fruit to show for it. You can boast in your good fruit because it would come from the Lord, so you would be boasting in the Lord of the wonderful works that God has wrought unto the children of men. That's a good thing and that would be good works that came from abiding in the vine, Christ.

If Billy Graham is saved by the grace of God and has been cleansed by the blood of Christ, then he is your brother and you are to love your brother. If a man does not love his brother, he is a murderer and we know that no murderer has eternal life in him. If he is a brother and you do not love him as a brother you are taking a tremendous risk and you are revealing what is in your heart.

I'm not sure what you want. You want me to name names? You want to know where I've tithed?

If Billy Graham teaches a false doctrine I'm not going to lie about it. Show me where he recanted his statement so I can at least tell people he took it back. I am not aware of him making any such statements so I will warn Christians not to believe everything he says. I'm not a judge so I don't know mens hearts and I can't tell if he is saved or not, I can only go by their words(fruit).

I'm a fundamentalist so I don't know where you think I go along with non-believers. I nicely asked what false teachings I have taught so I can repent and you give me nothing except that I do it. You leave me none the wiser for what sin I have committed. Try to get out of attack mode so we can have a decent conversation about it.

 

[shad]

I'm not sure what you want. You want me to name names? You want to know where I've tithed?

If Billy Graham teaches a false doctrine I'm not going to lie about it. Show me where he recanted his statement so I can at least tell people he took it back. I am not aware of him making any such statements so I will warn Christians not to believe everything he says. I'm not a judge so I don't know mens hearts and I can't tell if he is saved or not, I can only go by their words(fruit).

I'm a fundamentalist so I don't know where you think I go along with non-believers. I nicely asked what false teachings I have taught so I can repent and you give me nothing except that I do it. You leave me none the wiser for what sin I have committed. Try to get out of attack mode so we can have a decent conversation about it.

As a fundamentalist you should understand what fruit is. Perhaps you do not understand because their is a vail over your heart and until that vail is taken away you will not be able to see good fruit when is it borne or has remained to mature and ripen. Maybe you are blinded by your own fundamentalism and the beliefs that are associated with it. I don't believe or encourage anyone to ascribe to false doctrine in any way because of the potential it has to deceive the individual and to get them to walk in a form of light and understanding that is not from God. A believer has the Holy Spirit to witness truth and those who are born of the truth, which is Christ in us. If Christ is in you through the Spirit, then you have the Spirit of truth that will reveal Christ in others and bear witness of the fruit they bare by abiding in the vine.

Do the following verses from the lips of Christ mean anything to you?

Jn 15:3-8 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

 

[miktre]

You think I don't what fruits are? Then you attack me some more? This is a fruitful conversation to you? Pardon the pun!

Those verses mean a whole lot to me. Christ is the vine not Rev Billy Graham.

 

[aspen]

Wow - look at the sparks!!

"When Fundamentalists fight!"

I thought I had it bad...lol

 

[miktre]

Wow - look at the sparks!!

"When Fundamentalists fight!"

I thought I had it bad...lol

Really you have nothing better to than try to stir it up some more?
I think you have plenty of your own fights going me and Shad are going to work this out, without your help.
Thank you

 

[aspen]

Then work it out on your own thread or PM - this thread is about the New Age in Christianity - not about either of your egos

 

[miktre]

Then work it out on your own thread or PM - this thread is about the New Age in Christianity - not about either of your egos

What you still want this thread? LoL

 

[miktre]

I'm going to see if I can get this threads name changed to "Billy Graham Exposed". JK

No, really though I got some more videos on the pope being a new age fraud I'm gonna post soon so we will back on track buddy.

 

[shad]

You think I don't what fruits are? Then you attack me some more? This is a fruitful conversation to you? Pardon the pun!

Those verses mean a whole lot to me. Christ is the vine not Rev Billy Graham.

No man (including you, me and Billy Graham) can bear fruit except they abide in the vine (Christ). He is a sinner and a man like you and me and has put his truth in Jesus Christ (the vine). We are the branches that bear the fruit of the vine and without the vine we can do nothing in terms of bearing fruit. How can you miss the fruit of his ministry that God raised up and bore fruit for more that 50 years? Is there no fruit in your eyes concerning what Christ did through the branch of Billy Grahams ministry?

They did a good job in organizing their crusades and kept it Christ oriented and made sure that those who made professions of faith in Christ were followed up in the local area of the crusade. I can not speak evil of this ministry or its fruit but you seem to have no problem doing that. What you see and what I see are two different things that are diametrically opposed. Is see good fruit and you do not. If I am the one with the problem with what I see as good fruit, please tell me what that might be? I see the good fruit and worship God in spirit and truth because God is good and His fruit is good. Am I also evil because I see good fruit and worship God?

 

[miktre]

If that is what you believe I'll leave it alone and respect what you said. Whom am I that you should listen to me over Billy Graham anyways I am but a sinner and very low in the Church. I think Aspen is right if we want to continue this we should do it in private chat and give him back his thread. I think we both made our points known.

GB

 

[shad]

Then work it out on your own thread or PM - this thread is about the New Age in Christianity - not about either of your egos

Perhaps you are having another bad day but it would be profitable to tie new age thinking with religious Christianity and not the Christianity that Billy Graham and his ministry have been involved in long before you and many others on this site were even born. I would venture to say that there are many that come to this site that were saved by grace through Christ either directly or indirectly through the work and efforts of his ministry. Only eternity will reveal the impact of how many were turned to the righteousness of God through his ministry that God raised up and ordained to bear fruit.

Maybe you don't understand how important fruit is, but if you do, then perhaps as the OP you can explain the thinking and fruit of the New Age movement and how it has mingled and been transformed into religious Christianity with all of its symbols, jargon and messages of the brotherhood of man through an organized ecumenical council of leaders and their religious churches that glorify and deify man and humanize God. No if you can do that then maybe somebody will listen to what you have to say on the subject, other than that you would be simply wasting people's time that want to grow in grace and knowledge of Christ and have fellowship with the living God.

Signed,
Prince of Fundy

 

[aspen]

Perhaps you are having another bad day but it would be profitable to tie new age thinking with religious Christianity and not the Christianity that Billy Graham and his ministry have been involved in long before you and many others on this site were even born. I would venture to say that there are many that come to this site that were saved by grace through Christ either directly or indirectly through the work and efforts of his ministry. Only eternity will reveal the impact of how many were turned to the righteousness of God through his ministry that God raised up and ordained to bear fruit.

Maybe you don't understand how important fruit is, but if you do, then perhaps as the OP you can explain the thinking and fruit of the New Age movement and how it has mingled and been transformed into religious Christianity with all of its symbols, jargon and messages of the brotherhood of man through an organized ecumenical council of leaders and their religious churches that glorify and deify man and humanize God. No if you can do that then maybe somebody will listen to what you have to say on the subject, other than that you would be simply wasting people's time that want to grow in grace and knowledge of Christ and have fellowship with the living God.

Signed,
Prince of Fundy

Dear Prince,

List of condescension

1. Implying that I am behaving poorly

2. Implying that the reason I didn't want you and Miktre fighting on my thread was because I was equating Billy Graham's ministry with New Age.

3. Implying that I have a lot of nerve criticizing a ministry that is older than me.

4. Implying that I am somehow impeding God's will by my critical attitude towards Billy Graham

5. Implying that I am simply forming an opinion about Billy Graham based on a lack of understanding.


Ok, now it seems as if you are talking to the OP, not me anymore.....yet you used my quote.

If I cannot explain how Christianity and the New Age have been fused together, I am simply wasting people's time? All I was doing was starting a thread by asking a question - you and Miktre hijacked it to fight about Billy Graham.

I have no opinion about Billy Graham, BTW - I've never said a word about him or his ministry.

 

[miktre]

Didn't you guys see my video? If Billy Graham and the Pope are friends then why can't you two be. hahaha sorry I couldn't resist