New age

Francesca · Mar 13, 2010

Hi I'm a newbie to these forums but I hope you don't mind that I'm joining in with this one.

You see I'm not a christian but I'm seeking something, maybe knowledge on why you follow the christian faith or even something stronger, I don't know yet.
Well I hope that there is a admin or even a moderator keeping a eye on this thread as I'd like to say something and also offer help to anyone who'd like to ask any questions about it.
I'm not prepared to say anything that will harm your faith in any way or even try and promote anything, this is why I want a mod to keep an eye on this so I don't do anything wrong in the eyes of the forum.

You see, I know quite a lot about the new age and how people can use it within the church, this is why its getting in there in the first place, its because they won't look at what's already happening so it's very wise to ask questions but make sure you do with with reading your bible so it checks out with what you believe, ( see I'm not that bad am I lol .

I joined this forum to ask questions and also learn about the christian faith, so maybe I might be able to ask some of you as well, I think that's fair isn't it.

Well here goes, this is the experience I have and pleasee don't judge me yet as I'm not a chrisitan yet lol. I'm willing to talk to you but not do anything against your faith, ok

I have trained in healing, psychic surgery. crystal healing, reiki, swedish massage, reflexology, Hopi candling, Indian head massage. I used to be pagan and also learned shamanic practices.
Any questions about this area, I'm willing to be totally honest on what is asked but pleased make sure the mods are keeping a eye on this thread as I'm not willing to promote anything that will cause you harm or anything else.
I want to offer any help I can just to answer any questions that will help you to understand how you can talk to people within this area and nothing else, so don't try it.
I want to ask questions as much as you but please don't judge as you didn't know why I got into this in the first place, and yes I'm seeking something different, so give me a chance will you.

Francesca.

imoss · Mar 13, 2010

Ok you guys need to stop it now. Shad has made the excellent points about the fruit of ministry of these great men & we absolutely can not discredit their good fruit of their ministries. Miktre has a point that only God is infalliable and these men are preaching a deceptive message at times and are subject to deception. Please you two important members of the body of Christ we have so much bigger in here going on that you guys really need to settle this that you can do the great work that the Lord has set out for you. I have much respect for both of you and know that you two united will be strong in the army of the Lord. Shad you ARE my online pastor & friend who I go to for council & Miktre you are my new found friend.

(um please, I am reluctant to jump into this as I am just as guilty for doing the whole debate back & fourth thing...I just see 2 men with so much who could do so much not being at odds but agreeing to disagree Please wait before you respond to me as I'm kinda sad today (my parents anniversary yesterday has flowed over to today & my moms deceased) & couldnt really handle too much so if you get upset with me that is ok, please tell me tomorrow. Thanks)

phil36 · Mar 13, 2010

Hi Francesca,

Thanks for popping into cc. Its good you are maybe seeking. I'm not sure really of what you no of Christianity, but I hope you learn here.

Maybe you would like to watch a couple of videos posted just today and yesterday, I can assure you they will be well worth your time watching

they r on here (cc) this is the link: http://www.christianchat.com/showthread.php?t=12827

Hopefully we can chat more, and I am sure people on here would love to chat with you. I pray you enjoy your time here.

I'll be back on later myself.

Love

Phil

imoss · Mar 13, 2010

Francesca we were typing our messages at the same time, what a coincidence hey guys? Francesca, I did much seeking before I found the Lord I also had experience with things like you speak of but not as being the meduim just the recipiant. There is nothing that compares to the moment of salvation in Christ Jesus. Thats all I can give you girl. I now reject those things of my past as I see them in a different light altogether. The Lord bless you as you seek if indeed you are here to seek. You seem respectful in your post and I appreciate that. Just know that we absolutely will not allow the promoting of anything occult in this forum. I appreciate you here as I have a beautiful cousin who is pagen as well and the most amazing lovely girl I know & I continue in prayer for her to receive the Lord. Her immediate family are all wonderful Christians & I feel sometimes she is being used against them. As you are well aware there is a spiritual realm and most Christians readily acknowledge this. If it is not of Christ my opinion is it is of the evil one who seeks to deceive and destroy.

shad · Mar 13, 2010

imoss said:

Leave this alone and let every man reveal himself for who he is. You can come to your own conclusions on this or hit the ignore button and go on in what God has called you to do. When this man criticizes a fruitful man of God and his ministry, who was called by God and was faithful for more than 50 years, this critical man is no friend of God. If you want him to be your friend, that is up to you, but he is not mine until he recants all this garbage that he has filled his own soul with. If he can not think of a single thing to edify Billy Graham about and complement him through grace, then this man has nothing to offer that builds up the body of Christ. Billy Graham is a member of the body of Christ and we are to build up and edify each other in grace. You can't curse and bless from the same tongue. Bitter and sweet water can not come from the same spring.

Imoss you need to think about these things and realize who you might be getting involved with. Sentimentality never replaces discernment that comes from the word through the Spirit. Remember that.

imoss · Mar 13, 2010

thank you so much for waiting until tomorrow... appreciate it .... friend.

MahogonySnail · Mar 13, 2010

Hello Frenchesa , could you please explain what psychic surgury is and swedish massage , and hopi candling, thankyou. Do you do the one where you dig into the flesh to perform surgury with only your bare finger/hands? That would be cool.

Browncoat · Mar 13, 2010

HumbleSaint said:

He's also ignorant about most of the things in the entertainment industry he criticizes.

Actually, I've found that he's ignorant of a great many of the things he criticizes...

QuestionTime · Mar 13, 2010

aspen said:

His name is Maitreya. He's supposed to be greater than Christ. Apparently he has appeared in various places. Loads of info on the web/YouTube.

This fellow is his prophet:

Quest

QuestionTime · Mar 13, 2010

Francesca said:

Greetings Francesca!

Don't you worry about harming our faith one little bit. God is able to preserve His children:
Jude 1:24
24Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy...

Francesca, have you ever heard of Keith Green? He was a musician who tried various religions trying to find God. When at last he'd tried everything, he gave Jesus a try. I listen to his music often, as he became one of the best loved Christian musicians ever!

Here is a free video of his story: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6hOyx8LF4I

Quest

Browncoat · Mar 13, 2010

Francesca said:

Thank you for the offer! I'm a glutton for knowledge, and I love gaining better understanding of the things my brothers and sisters on earth believe. I may just come to you, when I find I have a question for you

I'm not a Christian, I'm Jewish, but I hope just the same that you would feel comfortable asking me any questions you might have. I understand what it's like being someone who is seeking something different, and I believe I've found what I was searching for in Judaism

Pete_Martinez · Mar 13, 2010

QuestionTime said:

The fellow in the bottom is Benjamin Creme, yes?

Browncoat · Mar 13, 2010

Pete_Martinez said:

Heh, he's dressed like a Jedi XD

shad · Mar 14, 2010

imoss said:

Concerning James Dobson, I do not agree with some things he says but I see his fruit. If he were to be critical of any man that God has raised up and produced fruit, I would be very angry with that because it violates the royal law of love and God doesn't like it either. When John MacArthur criticized Billy Graham, who has much fruit, that is a wicked thing that he let his tongue engage in. That was evil and he should repent of that wickedness. How will that wickedness be put away when so many have commended him on it. He has been clouded by his own judgment and when you let your tongue criticize a fruitful servant of God then you are fair game to have your tongue condemned. The average believer knows nothing about this because they do not have doctrine about this in their soul. There should always be honor between fruitful servants of God less the word of God be blasphemed and that's not good. If you have an issue with God's servant, go to him alone and you don't get up in your pulpit and speak against him, that is not what the pulpit is for.

Do you have these same convictions or do you think it is okay to judge God's servant based upon a couple of snippets against 50+ years of preaching Christ and bearing fruit? I am not making some good points, it is the truth and we are to walk in the truth. Are you sure that it was very clear what was being said like Phil36 has been convinced? Was Billy Graham an anointed servant called of God, then don't touch God's anointed / Ps 105:13-15. David had a heart after God and did not touch Saul, God's anointed. Those that have a heart after God do not touch God's anointed.

13 When they went from one nation to another, from one kingdom to another people;
14 He suffered no man to do them wrong: yea, he reproved kings for their sakes;
15 Saying, Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.

Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

Billy Graham was God's servant and belongs to God. If you touch God's servant you touch God. Are these men that stand in the pulpit and touch Billy Graham, his call and his ministry with their words guiltless / 1Sam 26:9? Are they not acquainted with what is written? Where are those that prophesy in the church that should warn against touching God's anointed?

When Billy Graham has been spoken evil of and condemned by many, he was meek and never avenged himself like Rom 12:19 says to do. He may have given place to wrath but did not seek revenge. He even put his gift on the altar and went to the accusing brethren to be reconciled. That is how a Spirit-filled believer, that has the love of God, operates and thinks no evil. The many that thought evil of him he thought no evil of them, because love thinks no evil / 1Cor 13:6. These men that have criticized Billy Graham do not know anything about 1Cor 13, nor are they humble in their heart. I refuse to let what these boneheads have to say separate me from the love of God and from those that are truly a friend of God that have obeyed through love and been faithful to the call of God.

miktre · Mar 14, 2010

QuestionTime said:

Yes, this guy has been called the John the Baptist for the False Messiah and the maitreya is an obvious fake. When the false messiah comes he will be able to show great signs and wonders and miracles. Make fire come down from heaven.

miktre · Mar 14, 2010

23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-kwWQA0AnA[/video]

miktre · Mar 14, 2010

35A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
36But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

shad · Mar 14, 2010

miktre said:

That applies to all of us and it is between us and God as a believer/priest and is not given to judge or speak evil of our brother or even others. Only a carnally minded man would speak evil of another brother, not a Spirit-filled man.

miktre · Mar 14, 2010

shad said:

I am simply warning other Christians to beware of false teachings no matter where they come from. Billy Graham has the same offer as all of us to repent, it would be better if he made a public apology since he made those false claims on a public stage. That way those that are not founded strongly in God's word are no longer deceived by this man.

Francesca · Mar 14, 2010

phil36 said:

Hiya phil

That's really sweet of you, I'll check the video's as I might learn something which will help me to understand.
You see I'm still a human being and as you have said I'm seeking something that has to be very real to me not just a story in a book, I've had enough of the stories it's time for the real thing, so to speak.
I am a bit nervous now seeing that I've made myself known in here for not being a christian and also my job but if they get over the shock they will find I'm pretty normal really with a good sense of humour lol.
I'd love to speak you you again
hopefully very soon
francesca

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