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Lanolin

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The bible isnt meant to be like a chinese whispers version, which it seems like some are that they are barely recognisable as the Bible. Its lke someone told someone else who told aomeone else who to,d someone else that Dog so loved the world, he went and bit his son. And whoever retrieves him will not perish but will have no use by date.

Or something like that.
 
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Lol
We don't have the King James Bible, we prefer a translation of God's word rather than an interpretation. As far as hating goes you sound like a Democrats calling hate for every disagreement.
As far as translation goes wouldn't it be great if the king James interpreters had decided to translate the word βαπτίζω rather than transliterate it.
So it would read "immerse in," rather than baptize, so that the sprinklers would actually baptize people.
Which translation does not paraphrase the words?

Which would you suggest is one as translation and not a interpretation "no private interpretations what so ever?

It would seem the original autograph would be alone worthy.

Water only represent shadows to begin with. Not a salvation issue as a personal sign to confirm the Holy Spirit is working anymore than when it rains or a rainbow appears in the sky.
 
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I would offer to share.

The Bible to begin with is the "signified " language of God as "his interpretation".. He not only sent it but signified it as his personal signature or autograph.

It is as one big paraphrase or parable of God which without he spoke not.

His living abiding Word is the Christian's one source of one faith (the faith of Christ) as it is written in the law and the prophets (the Bible. It as it is written is not of any man's private interpretation as a personal bias, like own signatures or seal we all have one. We cannot have His signature as if it was our signature, a metaphorical signified way of communing and not His.

That would seem to be like plagiarism. or violating the first commandment(no gods before him) . This seeing he does call us gods having the temporal spirt, the spirit of man of God and a born again believers the eternal spirit that will be raised on the last day

Exodus 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

His name is Jealous . He will not share the source of his faithfulness with the creature seen . Even the Son of Man Jesus refused to stand in the Holy place of glory but rather said when called good master ...only God is good giving glory to the father. The word good would seem to be reserved for the good unseen place of the Fathers glory .

2 Peter 1:19-21 King James Version (KJV) We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Without paraphrases using the temporal thing seen to give us his unseen spiritual understand. Christ spoke not. Right for from Chapter one verse one. "In the beginning God" To find that understanding it ends with . Its all one cohesive word .

In the beginning was the Word, not words . The same Word, not words that ended his interpretation.

Revelation22: 21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

Paraphraes…. "to tell in other words,...…..comparing the spiritual not seen understanding to the same. (faith to faith)

I would think as apologists (a synonym for Christians) The Christian kingdom of priests guarding their new source of faith .Christ in us the living hope of glory .

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

We have need of defending that the incorruptible seed of His word by which all Christians are born again from above which does work in us to defend us .He did not leave Christians as orphans in which we were before we .

He has given us great tools a whole armory and shield yielding his flaming sword of purification..by which we can search out his interpretation . 2 Corinthians 4:18.

He lovingly commands us in regard to our daily bread the study to show our selves approved .(2 Timothy 2:15) we as a blessing can learn form each other and like the noble Bereans having the Spirit of Christ in us.. we can search daily to see if those things a so,
Ultimately its two walking together or three.

2 Corinthians 4:18While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal

In that way it would not seem possible not to not give a private interpretation as a paraphrase of His interpretation .

The word Sabbath comes to mind the original meaning rendered useless. The original meaning has been lost under the interpretation of time .Its not a time sensitive word in any way .. And even in the Youngs literal it translation correctly it would seem once .But does not follow in other application.

I would think God is able to work his perfect or complete law of love by most translations . when they make do depite to the grace of God.Then I would stay away.
 

Tinkerbell725

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KJV all the way. Haters will hate. If there is no authorized version, how can we trust what version is the truth. This is why Christians fight over doctrines like works salvation and faith alone because of the so many Bible versions that contradict each other. More like modern versions that contradict the KJV. If some Bible readers trust the modern versions so much, why are they going back to greek which is a much older and unfamiliar language? Is it because they are also doubting the truth of the modern Bibles? They acknowledge the fact that modern versions are not perfect. If KJV and the modern Bibles are both not perfect, then the deciding factor must be the credibility of the source text and which version is the closest to the truth.
 

Dino246

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KJV all the way. Haters will hate. If there is no authorized version, how can we trust what version is the truth. This is why Christians fight over doctrines like works salvation and faith alone because of the so many Bible versions that contradict each other. More like modern versions that contradict the KJV. If some Bible readers trust the modern versions so much, why are they going back to greek which is a much older and unfamiliar language? Is it because they are also doubting the truth of the modern Bibles? They acknowledge the fact that modern versions are not perfect. If KJV and the modern Bibles are both not perfect, then the deciding factor must be the credibility of the source text and which version is the closest to the truth.
The only "authorization" that the KJV has is that of the Church of England, which authorized it to be used in C of E churches, and the C of E has no authority in any other area of Christianity.

You clearly don't understand the unanimity of different translations regarding major doctrines of the Christian faith. The KJV is not the standard against which other versions are to be compared; that's circular reasoning and has absolutely no validity. The NT was written in Greek, so regardless of its unfamiliarity to modern readers of English, it is the standard for what the Bible says. No translation is perfect; that's the nature of translation.

At least I can agree with your last sentence.
 

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The only "authorization" that the KJV has is that of the Church of England, which authorized it to be used in C of E churches, and the C of E has no authority in any other area of Christianity.

You clearly don't understand the unanimity of different translations regarding major doctrines of the Christian faith. The KJV is not the standard against which other versions are to be compared; that's circular reasoning and has absolutely no validity. The NT was written in Greek, so regardless of its unfamiliarity to modern readers of English, it is the standard for what the Bible says. No translation is perfect; that's the nature of translation.

At least I can agree with your last sentence.
Most any version of the bible is fairly good but also have some erroneous doctrine inserted. Especially the likes of "The Living Bible" or any others that try to simplify scripture. Most accepted modern translations can be used by God to teach His people. Bottom line, we must have the Holy Spirit, to help us, or we are lost. :cool:
 

Tinkerbell725

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At least I can agree with your last sentence.

Yes KJV is the closest to the truth. Since the modern versions contradict the KJV, there must be wrong with their source text. The translation is not the only problem but the source itself. Modern versions are unanimous because they only have one source text, which is the critical text. That is the valid reason to compare the modern versions to the KJV. And modern versions keep updating their versions and keep going further away from the truth.
 

Dino246

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Yes KJV is the closest to the truth. Since the modern versions contradict the KJV, there must be wrong with their source text.
Bahaha! Circular reasoning if I ever saw it.

The translation is not the only problem but the source itself. Modern versions are unanimous because they only have one source text, which is the critical text.
The critical text is built from about 5800 manuscripts. The KJV was translated from Greek editions that were built from six or seven incomplete manuscripts.

That is the valid reason to compare the modern versions to the KJV.
I've no idea how you come up with that tripe. It certainly isn't "reasonable" by any objective standard.

And modern versions keep updating their versions and keep going further away from the truth.
What rot. Revisions are made because of increased understanding of the text.

Time to get your head out of your KJV-only propaganda and read some unbiased research.
 

Dino246

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You must be referring to James White. He is perfect for you because you are against the KJV. Thanks but I don't like Judas White.
Slandering him isn't going to look good on you on judgment day.

Clearly you haven't read his book. You'd do well to keep your criticism to yourself on things about which you are uneducated.
 

Tinkerbell725

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Slandering him isn't going to look good on you on judgment day.

Clearly you haven't read his book. You'd do well to keep your criticism to yourself on things about which you are uneducated.
Thanks. I'll stick to the Bible because I am safer. Judas White and his followers will answer on judgement day because he is slandering the Bible.
 

Dino246

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Thanks. I'll stick to the Bible because I am safer. Judas White and his followers will answer on judgement day because he is slandering the Bible.
Really? Quote him where he slanders the Bible.

Step up like a real adult and defend your accusation, or withdraw it.
 
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Bahaha! Circular reasoning if I ever saw it.


The critical text is built from about 5800 manuscripts. The KJV was translated from Greek editions that were built from six or seven incomplete manuscripts.


I've no idea how you come up with that tripe. It certainly isn't "reasonable" by any objective standard.


What rot. Revisions are made because of increased understanding of the text.

Time to get your head out of your KJV-only propaganda and read some unbiased research.
The law of God is the circle reasoning of God . We compare scripture to scripture . Unlike philosophy they compare one school of thought to another,r one theory at another. Never becoming a perfect law.
 

Dino246

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The law of God is the circle reasoning of God . We compare scripture to scripture . Unlike philosophy they compare one school of thought to another,r one theory at another. Never becoming a perfect law.
Garee, respectfully, you don't understand what the term, "circular reasoning" means, despite my efforts to explain it.
 

Tinkerbell725

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Really? Quote him where he slanders the Bible.

Step up like a real adult and defend your accusation, or withdraw it.
Look at how Judas White, with all his greek knowlede, confuse Satan as God. Watch till the end and see himself arguing about 2 Cor 4:4

 

Dino246

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Look at how Judas White, with all his greek knowlede, confuse Satan as God. Watch till the end and see himself arguing about 2 Cor 4:4
Your evidence is irrelevant to your accusation. You stated that he slandered the Bible. Please present relevant evidence, or withdraw your accusation.
 

Tinkerbell725

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Your evidence is irrelevant to your accusation. You stated that he slandered the Bible. Please present relevant evidence, or withdraw your accusation.
He attacks the KJV. That is slandering. And he is not credible because he even confuse satan as God. Lol!
 

Dino246

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He attacks the KJV. That is slandering. And he is not credible because he even confuse satan as God. Lol!
This is a dodge. You have not presented ANY evidence to support your accusation. Instead you are merely doubling down and massaging your previous wording to fit.

Criticizing one translation of Scripture IS NOT slandering the Bible. If it were, YOU would be guilty of it, and you would be a hypocrite as well.

Get some integrity.