NIV has left out some scripture

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People have told me I am going to burn in hell for reading an NIV...
Foretold in revelations 23 another one not in the NIV. Since the Gospels differ and don't mention all of Jesus's miracles which Gospel is correct.

Different translations can word phrases diffferently yet get the point across. Is their anthing that contradict the KJB in the NIV? Is it Truth? All Truth is God's truth no matter where it is found. NIV, KJB, RSB, the Living Bible. etc etc etc
 
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KJVOnlyists really get on my nerves. They tend to use Will Kinney arguments which tend to twist Scripture out of context just to make HIS point. The KJV is a great Bible to use in terms of memorization but sometimes you have to use other versions simply because the English language changes: for example suffer and prevent. They did not mean the same thing as they mean today. That's why new versions are made to keep up with the language and modify translations based on new updates to manuscript information. The KJV is most certainly NOT the only holy and infallible version. KJVOnlyists know this and some choose to remain ignorant because they refuse to acknowledge factual information that they have been told MILLIONS of times. And not to mention the KJV is NOT the only authorized version. As a matter of speaking, King James never authorized it in the first place. I can go on and on and on...
 

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I usually read in the KJV, being older and raised with it is the primary reason. All versions of the Word should be just fine to read and learn from because it is the Holy Spirit Who imparts understanding, and I know He does not speak Elizabethan. The Holy Spirit imparts in the Holy Spirit. Now, it is silly to go off Bible discussion because of which version is used. None are best except for the individual, and no one should attempt to impose one above another just because it is the one he uses. All are blessed.
 

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I don't like the NIV, but nothing to do with leaving verses out. It tends to degrade the deity of Christ. That being said, I was raised on KJV, have a huge stock of memory verses in it, but I don't read it because I have never learned 16th century English. Words change and English is no exception.

Case in point - Matt 6:6

"But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet." KJV

Ok, I confess I like having 2nd person singular. But I also don't really know how to use it, although I can figure it out reading it. But CLOSET. In King James time, a closet was a room where people met to discuss things and be together.

Fast forward to the 21st century, and literalists are kneeling under their clothes hangers!

Even King James 2000 Bible says:

"But when you pray, enter into your room,"

That really doesn't catch the meaning of the original Greek.

ταυμείν - a storeroom, innermost secret room. This was a place where the disciples gathered together to pray. Not about individual prayer, and I don't see a translation that reflects this. You might well imagine why they were praying in secret, especially towards the end of Jesus ministry!

Regarding the missing verses, there are many early manuscripts today of the Bible. In King James day, not so much. He basically translated from the Vulgate, and Erasmus. Now Erasmus spoke excellent Greek and Hebrew, and even in his day, he found lots of manuscripts that deviated from Jerome's version of the Bible. Who did not speak the languages very well. But Erasmus wanted the new Bible to reflect some of the errors he found in translation - Catholic Church vetoed it, and so King James contains some errors that come from Jerome!

A further issue is that most of the manuscripts we have today come from the Byzantine tradition. Greeks like to make little comments in the margins, and those were eventually added as text to the Bible. Other traditions, were much stricter about comments, and that is why the earliest manuscripts do not have many verses. (I agree, put it in brackets or italics - let the reader chose!)

If you really want to find out about variations, my advice is to pick up a copy of the United Bible Societies Greek New Testament. It has literally every variation known, most of which are just copyist errors.

Of course, then you have to learn Greek. It was one of the best things I ever did!

I do read about 10 versions, comparing to the Greek and Hebrew, but for personal devotions I stick to an ESV Study Bible. It does put down a few variations, and admits when things are not in the earliest manuscripts. It is a bit wooden, but seems to stick to the original languages a lot closer than most other translations, esp. word order and not smoothing it out too much.
 
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The ESV is the second version I use especially when writing exegetical papers for my classes at school. I use NIV mainly for it's simplicity. I use the Message paraphrased version if I want to take note on how it emphasizes something in the English language. I do not just stick to one...especially when reading the New Testament because the word "love" in English has 8 different variations in the Greek language. That's just the fault of the English language itself. :)
 

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I like the Message too! It is sometimes really astute in the interpretations, but occasionally Eugene Peterson takes things a bit too far.

I was thinking about this post as I cleaned my house this afternoon.

More is not necessarily better.

I have a Restored New Testament by Willis Barnstone, a Jewish man who put the New Testament into Hebraic forms. Jesus is always called "Yeshua" for example and place and people names are in the form they would have used in New Testament times. So a Greek would use a Greek name, Hebrew names become Hebrew.

An interesting read, but he seems to think that more is better, too.

He adds the gnostic gospels, including Thomas, Mary and Judas. Someday I hope to read them, so I will know why they are not included in the canon. That would be the only use I can see for having "more" verses in the Bible!
 
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John dee who was francis bacons mentor real nice guy mason, devil worshiper and spy for the queen he used the symbol of two ball cain get it 007 you can see his handy work all over hollywood and federal reserve notes USA great seal and so on.
This makes no sense what so ever!
 
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francis bacon had the kj for one year 1610-1611 he did all the art work for the most part and the pilgrams wouldnt even touch this book because of francis bacons masonic connections, He was a scum bag liar!!!! It wont make sense unless you study this out but one thing is for sure wearther any of you believe this or not does not and will not change the fact that it is true.
 

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niv just takes the kjv and puts it in modern day English instead of old English,
[HR][/HR]Wrong. The NIV removes a total of over 64,000 words from the text of the KJV.

The NIV is a satanic bible. It takes away Lucifer in Isaiah 14:12 and replaces it with Morning Star. If you check Revelation 22:16, then you know that Jesus is the morning star because He declares that He is in Rev. 22:16. So the NIV says that it was Jesus who fell from Heaven and not Lucifer.

The NIV is a dead and rotten book. It will produce rotten spiritual fruit in your life.
 

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scriptures missing from NIV matt 24:25, mark 7:16, mark 9:44,46 mark 15:38 mark11:26 luke 17:36 luke 23:17 John 5:4 acts 8:37 act 15:34 acts 24:7 acts 28:29 Romans 16:24. Please tell me your thoughts.
Hal51,

I have studied and researched the Bible Version Issue for nearly two years now. And the evidence against the modern versions is just overwhelming. How the new versions attack clear doctrines of Salvation by grace through faith alone, and how the new versions attack the deity of the Lord Jesus Christ. And how the blood is removed from Colossians 1:14. Even the literal 6 day creation is attacked in the new versions! It is just incredible how many "pastors" we have today using the NIV, which is an antichrist bible. It is an antichrist bible because it does not confess that Jesus is come in the flesh.

Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. - 1 John 4:2-3 (King James Bible)


This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. - 1 John 4:2-3 (New International Version)

So by the NIV removing the phrase: "Is come in the flesh." shows that the NIV is an antichrist bible and the spirit of antichrist is all over it. And by the way, not only does the NIV remove that phrase but so does the NLT, ESV, NASB, and HCSB. So, the NIV is a perversion. And it will destroy any church that uses it.

Here is a video where Bryan Denlinger cleary shows the NIV to be a satanic bible:
[HR][/HR]KJV 777 NIV 666

[video=youtube;sAPP_vWrcGA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAPP_vWrcGA[/video]
 

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niv just takes the kjv and puts it in modern day English instead of old English,
[HR][/HR]Which Bible? You Be The Judge.
[video=youtube;2D6oqquct5Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D6oqquct5Q[/video]
 
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There are so many who feel so passionately that the only bible is XXX, that's good, it's lovely to be sure. I used to be a bit KJV only...but I realized that Gods Word is not bound in one book. I saw this when I met with a new Christian with learning difficulties, she could not read the KJV but started with The Message. I was filled with the need to point out its errors, it's lack of 'majesty & respect' etc. As I spoke, I realized what I was doing....my opinions, my views. God just wanted her to access His Word and I was not trusting that He had more than one way to do it. So that day I stopped. I read many versions, I have a Strongs , I love to read the Word. But, I know many gentle, compassionate Christians whose love and wisdom comes from their own personal walk and it looks a little different from mine....and thats ok :) whatever depth of study they are doing. That may be NIV, KJV, ESV, message end all the others! <><
 
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[HR][/HR]Wrong. The NIV removes a total of over 64,000 words from the text of the KJV.

The NIV is a satanic bible. It takes away Lucifer in Isaiah 14:12 and replaces it with Morning Star. If you check Revelation 22:16, then you know that Jesus is the morning star because He declares that He is in Rev. 22:16. So the NIV says that it was Jesus who fell from Heaven and not Lucifer.

The NIV is a dead and rotten book. It will produce rotten spiritual fruit in your life.

I believe my God is so much more powerful than that! It's a book....it is His Word, His power. If one reads & seeks with a true heart, He will reveal the Truth. There may be errors,I do believe anything man gets his hands on eventually corrupts but God promises us His Word will not wither & die. I have confidence in that:) <><
 

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hattiebod;[COLOR=#000000 said:
962589[/COLOR]]I believe my God is so much more powerful than that! It's a book....it is His Word, His power. If one reads & seeks with a true heart, He will reveal the Truth. There may be errors,I do believe anything man gets his hands on eventually corrupts but God promises us His Word will not wither & die. I have confidence in that:) <><
Hattiebod,

That is what you simply do not understand. The NIV is not God's book. The NIV is not God's word. How could something so wicked like the NIV be God's word? It is not. Have you seriously studied the errors and doctrines of devils that the NIV has in it?

Did you know that the NIV tries to make Jesus out to be a liar in John 7:8?

You go to the festival. I am not going up to this festival, because my time has not yet fully come." After he had said this, he stayed in Galilee.
However, after his brothers had left for the festival, he went also, not publicly, but in secret. - John 7:8-10 (New International Version)

The NIV removes one little word from John 7:8, that one word is yet. Hence the wicked NIV attempts to make Jesus out to be a liar.

The correct reading is in the King James Bible:

8Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast; for my time is not yet full come. 9When he had said these words unto them, he abode still in Galilee.
10But when his brethren were gone up, then went he also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret. - John 7:8-10 (King James Bible)

So do you see what taking out one little word like Yet can do?

Jesus NEVER sinned and Jesus NEVER lied. Jesus is God. He is God manifest in the flesh (1 Timothy 3:16)

Let's now consider the person of Jesus Christ. In Revelation 22:16, Jesus declares that He is the bright and Morning Star.

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. - Revelation 22:16 (King James Bible)

Now let's see what else that the wicked NIV does to our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ:

In Isaiah 14:12, the NIV equates Jesus with Lucifer (Satan). Here is the proof:

How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! - Isaiah 14:12 (New International Version)

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! - Isaiah 14:12 (King James Bible)

In the King James Bible, we see that it was Lucifer who fell from Heaven and became Satan.

The NIV lies in Isa. 14:12 and tries to get you to think that it was really Jesus who fell and not Lucifer. Are you starting to see how satanic the NIV is Hattiebod? I hope so.

Stick with the King James Bible which is God's perfect and infallible word. The Holy Spirit will always lead you to the King James Bible. He will never lead you to an NIV or an ESV or any other corrupt modern version. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of truth (John 16:13), therefore He will only lead you to the true Bible, the true word of God which is the King James Bible.

If one does seek with a true heart, then I believe the Holy Spirit will lead that person to the Authorized King James Holy Bible. Just like the Holy Spirit led me to the King James Bible. And others like Bryan Denlinger, Peter S. Ruckman, Al Lacy, Michael Hoggard, Richard Sowell, Gail Riplinger, Lester Roloff, Stephen Shutt, Doug Stauffer, and many, many others.

The Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth if you are saved and if you are really seeking the truth. And that truth is the word of God, which is the King James Bible.

These modern bibles are not the word of God. God is not the author of confusion, but of peace. (See 1 Corinthians 14:33)

God is a God of order. Therefore He has only authored One Book.
[HR][/HR]Here is a good video exposing the NIV

[video=youtube;zGEwTklv45s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGEwTklv45s[/video]
 
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I had two NIV bibles. After I did some research, I decided to drop them in the trash can. I now use NLT and NASB most of the time. I guess everyone must make up their own mind according to their own thoughts, research and opinions.
 
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[HR][/HR]Wrong. The NIV removes a total of over 64,000 words from the text of the KJV.

The NIV is a satanic bible. It takes away Lucifer in Isaiah 14:12 and replaces it with Morning Star. If you check Revelation 22:16, then you know that Jesus is the morning star because He declares that He is in Rev. 22:16. So the NIV says that it was Jesus who fell from Heaven and not Lucifer.

The NIV is a dead and rotten book. It will produce rotten spiritual fruit in your life.



I'm not sure if you are aware...but Lucifer is a term simply translated into "Morning Star"...and not to mention the KJV is a fat text...It includes things that were not included in the original languages. Jesus spoke Greek and Aramaic and some Hebrew. He never spoke English or Latin.
 
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The Name "Lucifer" This site uses the basis of the argument for how Lucifer became equated with Satan when it fact it was not really his name in the first place...Good insight.
 
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Hattiebod,

That is what you simply do not understand. The NIV is not God's book. The NIV is not God's word. How could something so wicked like the NIV be God's word? It is not. Have you seriously studied the errors and doctrines of devils that the NIV has in it?

Did you know that the NIV tries to make Jesus out to be a liar in John 7:8?

You go to the festival. I am not going up to this festival, because my time has not yet fully come." After he had said this, he stayed in Galilee.
However, after his brothers had left for the festival, he went also, not publicly, but in secret. - John 7:8-10 (New International Version)

The NIV removes one little word from John 7:8, that one word is yet. Hence the wicked NIV attempts to make Jesus out to be a liar.

The correct reading is in the King James Bible:

8Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast; for my time is not yet full come. 9When he had said these words unto them, he abode still in Galilee.
10But when his brethren were gone up, then went he also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret. - John 7:8-10 (King James Bible)

So do you see what taking out one little word like Yet can do?

Jesus NEVER sinned and Jesus NEVER lied. Jesus is God. He is God manifest in the flesh (1 Timothy 3:16)

Let's now consider the person of Jesus Christ. In Revelation 22:16, Jesus declares that He is the bright and Morning Star.

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. - Revelation 22:16 (King James Bible)

Now let's see what else that the wicked NIV does to our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ:

In Isaiah 14:12, the NIV equates Jesus with Lucifer (Satan). Here is the proof:

How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! - Isaiah 14:12 (New International Version)

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! - Isaiah 14:12 (King James Bible)

In the King James Bible, we see that it was Lucifer who fell from Heaven and became Satan.

The NIV lies in Isa. 14:12 and tries to get you to think that it was really Jesus who fell and not Lucifer. Are you starting to see how satanic the NIV is Hattiebod? I hope so.

Stick with the King James Bible which is God's perfect and infallible word. The Holy Spirit will always lead you to the King James Bible. He will never lead you to an NIV or an ESV or any other corrupt modern version. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of truth (John 16:13), therefore He will only lead you to the true Bible, the true word of God which is the King James Bible.

If one does seek with a true heart, then I believe the Holy Spirit will lead that person to the Authorized King James Holy Bible. Just like the Holy Spirit led me to the King James Bible. And others like Bryan Denlinger, Peter S. Ruckman, Al Lacy, Michael Hoggard, Richard Sowell, Gail Riplinger, Lester Roloff, Stephen Shutt, Doug Stauffer, and many, many others.

The Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth if you are saved and if you are really seeking the truth. And that truth is the word of God, which is the King James Bible.

These modern bibles are not the word of God. God is not the author of confusion, but of peace. (See 1 Corinthians 14:33)

God is a God of order. Therefore He has only authored One Book.
[HR][/HR]Here is a good video exposing the NIV

[video=youtube;zGEwTklv45s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGEwTklv45s[/video]
I stand by what I have already written. It saddens me you seem to insinuate that because I would read an NIV, amongst other Bibles, I am not led by the Spirit, in fact you are saying then that I may not be real Christian....if I read an NIV? I will not reply to this. It is exactly what causes such division amongst the body of Christ. My God is bigger than any one book and He can get His truth out to those who seek it. Legalism is dangerous. I already have the Truth, I am sure of that and stand on my Lords promises. I pray that you will see that. God Bless you. <><
 
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scriptures missing from NIV matt 24:25, mark 7:16, mark 9:44,46 mark 15:38 mark11:26 luke 17:36 luke 23:17 John 5:4 acts 8:37 act 15:34 acts 24:7 acts 28:29 Romans 16:24. Please tell me your thoughts.
If you'll notice most of these that are said to be missing there is a footnote noted at the bottom of the page. If there was any deceit involved I don't think the footnotes would have been added. :)
 

JaumeJ

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I do not like the NIV at all for myself, but that is strictly my preference. Repeating myself from earlier in the Forum and from decades ago, if Yahweh, God, wants a person to know Him and His truth, they will receive all truth from a Betty Crocker Cookbook, providing the Holy Spirit is teaching. I know this by experience, not simply by liking the idea. NIV is wonderful for so many folks, and to argue which Bible should be or should not be used is way off worshiping the Lord, Jesus Christ. If everyone wants to be so exact, do as I am doing right now, reading the Old Testament in Hebrew. I will not be reading the New in Greek because I have already discovered the translations to English are just fine, superior in many ways to the Hebrew or Greek. I love everyone who is in Jesus Christ because He loved us all first, so easy for most.
I stand by what I have already written. It saddens me you seem to insinuate that because I would read an NIV, amongst other Bibles, I am not led by the Spirit, in fact you are saying then that I may not be real Christian....if I read an NIV? I will not reply to this. It is exactly what causes such division amongst the body of Christ. My God is bigger than any one book and He can get His truth out to those who seek it. Legalism is dangerous. I already have the Truth, I am sure of that and stand on my Lords promises. I pray that you will see that. God Bless you. <><
 
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