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Moffat's translation of Mark chapter 16 has many problems, the worst being that he has taken snippets out of spurious GNOSTIC GOSPELS and inserted them into the text. If that is not BLATANT CORRUPTION then we do not understand corruption of the text. He has also made gratuitous changes to the text (bolded), and has followed the Critical Text rather than the Received Text.
Moffat's translation (below) is in red and the KJV translation is in blue (side by side)
Moffatt(i) 1 And when the sabbath had passed Mary of Magdala, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought some spices in order to go and anoint him;
1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
2 and very early on the first day of the week they went to the tomb, after sunrise.
2And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
3 They said to themselves, "Who will roll away the boulder for us at the opening of the tomb?" (for it was a very large boulder).
3And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre? for it was very great.
4 But when they looked they saw the boulder had been rolled to one side,
4And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away:
5 and on entering the tomb they saw a youth sitting on the right dressed in a white robe. They were bewildered,
5And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.
6 but he said to them, "Do not be bewildered. You are looking for Jesus of Nazaret, who was crucified? He has risen, he is not here. That is the place where he was laid.
6And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.
7 Go you and tell his disciples and Peter, 'He precedes you to Galilee; you shall see him there, as he told you.'"
7But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you.
8 And they fled out of the tomb, for they were seized with terror and beside themselves. They said nothing to anyone, for they were afraid of — .
8And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre; for they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to any man; for they were afraid.
9 (a) Now after he rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary of Magdala out of whom he had cast seven daemons.
9Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
10 She went and reported it to those who had been with him, as they mourned and wept;
10And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept.
11 but although they heard he was alive and had been seen by her, they would not believe it.
11And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.
12 After this he appeared in another form to two of them as they were walking on their way to the country.
12After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.
13 They too went and reported it to the rest, but they would not believe them either.
13And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.
14 Afterwards he appeared at table to the eleven themselves and reproached them for their unbelief and dulness of mind, because they had not believed those who saw him risen from the dead. [Note: there is a huge difference between dulness of mind and hardness of heart]
14Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.
GNOSTIC ADDITION! (PURE BALONEY)
[But they excused themselves, saying, "This age of lawlessness and unbelief lies under the sway of Satan, who will not allow what lies under the unclean spirits to understand the truth and power of God; therefore," they said to Christ, "reveal your righteousness now." Christ answered them, "The term of years for Satan's power has now expired, but other terrors are at hand. I was delivered to death on behalf of sinners, that they might return to the truth and sin no more, that they might inherit that glory of righteousness which is spiritual and imperishable in heaven."]
15 And he said to them, "Go to all the world and preach the gospel to every creature:
15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 he who believes and is baptized shall be saved, but he who will not believe shall be condemned. [ Note: there is a huge difference between condemned and damned]
16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And for those who believe, these miracles will follow: they will cast out daemons in my name, they will talk in foreign tongues,
17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; [Note: the Greek text has "new" καιναῖς, kainais not "foreign"]
18 they will handle serpents, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick and make them well."
18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
19 Then after speaking to them the Lord Jesus was taken up to heaven and sat down at the right hand of God,
19So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
20 while they went out and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them and confirming the word by the miracles that endorsed it.
20And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
ANOTHER GNOSTIC ADDITION!
[(b) But they gave Peter and his companions a brief account of all these injunctions. And, after that, Jesus himself sent out by means of them from east to west the sacred and imperishable message of eternal salvation.]
Moffat's translation (below) is in red and the KJV translation is in blue (side by side)
Moffatt(i) 1 And when the sabbath had passed Mary of Magdala, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought some spices in order to go and anoint him;
1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
2 and very early on the first day of the week they went to the tomb, after sunrise.
2And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
3 They said to themselves, "Who will roll away the boulder for us at the opening of the tomb?" (for it was a very large boulder).
3And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre? for it was very great.
4 But when they looked they saw the boulder had been rolled to one side,
4And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away:
5 and on entering the tomb they saw a youth sitting on the right dressed in a white robe. They were bewildered,
5And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.
6 but he said to them, "Do not be bewildered. You are looking for Jesus of Nazaret, who was crucified? He has risen, he is not here. That is the place where he was laid.
6And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.
7 Go you and tell his disciples and Peter, 'He precedes you to Galilee; you shall see him there, as he told you.'"
7But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you.
8 And they fled out of the tomb, for they were seized with terror and beside themselves. They said nothing to anyone, for they were afraid of — .
8And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre; for they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to any man; for they were afraid.
9 (a) Now after he rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary of Magdala out of whom he had cast seven daemons.
9Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
10 She went and reported it to those who had been with him, as they mourned and wept;
10And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept.
11 but although they heard he was alive and had been seen by her, they would not believe it.
11And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.
12 After this he appeared in another form to two of them as they were walking on their way to the country.
12After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.
13 They too went and reported it to the rest, but they would not believe them either.
13And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.
14 Afterwards he appeared at table to the eleven themselves and reproached them for their unbelief and dulness of mind, because they had not believed those who saw him risen from the dead. [Note: there is a huge difference between dulness of mind and hardness of heart]
14Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.
GNOSTIC ADDITION! (PURE BALONEY)
[But they excused themselves, saying, "This age of lawlessness and unbelief lies under the sway of Satan, who will not allow what lies under the unclean spirits to understand the truth and power of God; therefore," they said to Christ, "reveal your righteousness now." Christ answered them, "The term of years for Satan's power has now expired, but other terrors are at hand. I was delivered to death on behalf of sinners, that they might return to the truth and sin no more, that they might inherit that glory of righteousness which is spiritual and imperishable in heaven."]
15 And he said to them, "Go to all the world and preach the gospel to every creature:
15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 he who believes and is baptized shall be saved, but he who will not believe shall be condemned. [ Note: there is a huge difference between condemned and damned]
16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And for those who believe, these miracles will follow: they will cast out daemons in my name, they will talk in foreign tongues,
17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; [Note: the Greek text has "new" καιναῖς, kainais not "foreign"]
18 they will handle serpents, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick and make them well."
18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
19 Then after speaking to them the Lord Jesus was taken up to heaven and sat down at the right hand of God,
19So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
20 while they went out and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them and confirming the word by the miracles that endorsed it.
20And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
ANOTHER GNOSTIC ADDITION!
[(b) But they gave Peter and his companions a brief account of all these injunctions. And, after that, Jesus himself sent out by means of them from east to west the sacred and imperishable message of eternal salvation.]
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Was Burgon KJVO? Would your opinion be swayed if I provided resources in favor of accepting the minority texts?
Do you understand that water baptism is optional, and that what really matters is that a person has done what Romans 10:9 says to do? When a person does that he is baptized in the Holy Spirit, which is the one baptism that matters (Eph 4:5).
So does the KJV. The difference is that the KJV usually italicizes them, some (not all) newer translations do not.
And I would not say that it is "at will." The NIV translators, and other translators who use all the texts available, work from those texts. They are not "out to deceive" or to lead people astray.
You obviously have a very strong opinion on this. It's interesting that although you decry and discredit the modern translations, you have no problem declaring that the KJV translators got it wrong in Eccles. 12:7.
Acts 8:37 is not in texts that are older than the TR. People a lot smarter than me have worked diligently to make the best translations they could, and I am not hobbled by the KJVO mindset. As far as I have been able to put together, here are the verses that exist in the KJV that may be of questionable authenticity:
Prov 3:3; Matt 12:47; 17:21; 18:11; 23:14; Mark 7:16; 9:44, 46; 11:26; 15:28; 16:9-20; Luke 17:36; 22:43-44; 23:17; John 5:3-4; 7:53-8:11; Acts 8:37; 15:34; 24:6-8; 28:29; Rom 16:24; 2 Pet 3:18; 1 John 5:7.
Additionally, while 1 Cor 14:34-35 are in every manuscript, they are located in different positions in some of them. That, and the fact that they essentially silence half of the church, causes their authenticity to be questionable. I realize this will probably upset you, that is not my intention.
Even though I do not think the omission of Acts 8:37 in newer translations constitutes a "doctrinal difference," thanks for responding.
Do you understand that water baptism is optional, and that what really matters is that a person has done what Romans 10:9 says to do? When a person does that he is baptized in the Holy Spirit, which is the one baptism that matters (Eph 4:5).
So does the KJV. The difference is that the KJV usually italicizes them, some (not all) newer translations do not.
And I would not say that it is "at will." The NIV translators, and other translators who use all the texts available, work from those texts. They are not "out to deceive" or to lead people astray.
You obviously have a very strong opinion on this. It's interesting that although you decry and discredit the modern translations, you have no problem declaring that the KJV translators got it wrong in Eccles. 12:7.
Acts 8:37 is not in texts that are older than the TR. People a lot smarter than me have worked diligently to make the best translations they could, and I am not hobbled by the KJVO mindset. As far as I have been able to put together, here are the verses that exist in the KJV that may be of questionable authenticity:
Prov 3:3; Matt 12:47; 17:21; 18:11; 23:14; Mark 7:16; 9:44, 46; 11:26; 15:28; 16:9-20; Luke 17:36; 22:43-44; 23:17; John 5:3-4; 7:53-8:11; Acts 8:37; 15:34; 24:6-8; 28:29; Rom 16:24; 2 Pet 3:18; 1 John 5:7.
Additionally, while 1 Cor 14:34-35 are in every manuscript, they are located in different positions in some of them. That, and the fact that they essentially silence half of the church, causes their authenticity to be questionable. I realize this will probably upset you, that is not my intention.
Even though I do not think the omission of Acts 8:37 in newer translations constitutes a "doctrinal difference," thanks for responding.
If people are actually interested in a View of the Bible from the Hebrew side that is easy to read and understand.
Plus, how they translated the Ancient Greek Text was using the Greek Language translated into Hebrew then English.
The TLV is a Hebrew view of the Greek New Testament.
I am not even claiming accuracy, but it’s no different than translating Greek to English or in this case, Greek to Aramaic Hebrew to English.
It is a different read but you also get chances to expand your understanding of the original Greek Same Words translated in a unique style but very ancient and modern simultaneously.
Good Read!
Plus, how they translated the Ancient Greek Text was using the Greek Language translated into Hebrew then English.
The TLV is a Hebrew view of the Greek New Testament.
I am not even claiming accuracy, but it’s no different than translating Greek to English or in this case, Greek to Aramaic Hebrew to English.
It is a different read but you also get chances to expand your understanding of the original Greek Same Words translated in a unique style but very ancient and modern simultaneously.
Good Read!
While it's fine to note Moffat's choice of source material, that's not something that is going to convince anyone who is not already a TR- or KJV-onlyist.
This is a difference of wording, not a "gratuitous change".
At? Or after? Without additional evidence, you have no legitimate complaint.
Both of these are minor variants in word selection, not "gratuitious changes".
As is this.
Given that the pronunciation of the Hebrew "th" is closer to "t" than the English "th", this rendering is actually more correct than the KJV.
Here I agree.
Um, no. There is a small difference between them, and they are often used synonymously.
Which "Greek text"? Your criticism is only valid if the source used by Moffat as 'new' rather than 'foreign'. Either way, the point is valid; they spoke in other languages not learned in the normal way.
This is a minor difference in wording.
Most of your "gratuitous changes" are simply different choices for wording and have no bearing on doctrine. As usual, you have overstated your case. If you focused on just the additional text, I would see no reason to criticize your post.
This is a difference of wording, not a "gratuitous change".
At? Or after? Without additional evidence, you have no legitimate complaint.
Both of these are minor variants in word selection, not "gratuitious changes".
As is this.
Given that the pronunciation of the Hebrew "th" is closer to "t" than the English "th", this rendering is actually more correct than the KJV.
Here I agree.
Um, no. There is a small difference between them, and they are often used synonymously.
Which "Greek text"? Your criticism is only valid if the source used by Moffat as 'new' rather than 'foreign'. Either way, the point is valid; they spoke in other languages not learned in the normal way.
This is a minor difference in wording.
Most of your "gratuitous changes" are simply different choices for wording and have no bearing on doctrine. As usual, you have overstated your case. If you focused on just the additional text, I would see no reason to criticize your post.
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The very fact that heretical Gnostic doctrine was included should have been enough. But you let that slide to go into other matters. No bearing on doctrine? Is eternal damnation a Bible doctrine? And if Moffat changed that to "condemnation" it is not a change of doctrine? How about dullness of mind verses hardness of heart? Does the Bible condemn "dullness of mind" or does it condemn hardness of heart? The text had σκληροκαρδίαν sklērokardian = hardness of heart. WHICH MEANS THAT MOFFAT HAS TAMPERED WITH THE TEXT AND YOU HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE TAMPERING OF THE TEXT! Which means that you are on the side of the corrupters (which we have known all along).
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