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Jesus answered them
Is it not written in your law. 'I have said ye are gods
If he called them gods to whom the word of God came-and the scriptures cannot be broken-what about the one whom the father set apart as his very own and sent into the world
Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said I am God's son
John 10:34-37

For even if there are so called gods whether in Heaven or on earth(as indeed there are many gods and many lords) yet for us THERE IS BUT ONE GOD, THE FATHER FROM WHOM all things came and FOR WHOM we live, and ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST THROUGH WHOM all things came and THROUGH WHOM we live
1 Cor 8:5&6
~ some people will do ANYTHING to excuse idolatry. WHO is that letter to? WHAT were their beliefs?




That are called gods - Gods so called. The pagans everywhere worshipped multitudes, and gave to them the name of gods.

Whether in heaven - Residing in heaven, as a part of the gods were supposed to do. Perhaps, there may be allusion here to the sun, moon, and stars; but I rather suppose that reference is made to the celestial deities, or to those who were supposed to reside in heaven, though they were supposed occasionally to visit the earth, as Jupiter, Juno, Mercury, etc.

Or in earth - Upon the earth; or that reigned particularly ever the earth, or sea, as Ceres, Neptune, etc. The ancient pagans worshipped some gods that were supposed to dwell in heaven; others that were supposed to reside on earth; and others that presided over the inferior regions, as Pluto, etc.

As there be gods many - ὥσπερ hōsper, etc. As there are, in fact, many which are so called or regarded. It is a fact that the pagans worship many whom they esteem to be gods, or whom they regard as such. This cannot be an admission of Paul that they were truly gods, and ought to he worshipped; but it is a declaration that they esteemed them to be such, or that a large number of imaginary beings were thus adored. The emphasis should be placed on the word "many;" and the design of the parenthesis is, to show that the number of these that were worshipped was not a few, but was immense; and that they were in fact worshipped as gods, and allowed to have the influence over their minds and lives which they would have if they were real; that is, that the effect of this popular belief was to produce just as much fear, alarm, superstition, and corruption, as though these imaginary gods had a real existence. So that though the more intelligent of the pagan put no confidence in them, yet the effect on the great mass was the same as if they had had a real existence, and exerted over them a real control.

And lords many - (κύριοι πολλοὶ kurioi polloi). Those who had a "rule" over them; to whom they submitted themselves; and whose laws they obeyed. This name "lord" was often given to their idol gods. Thus, among the nations of Canaan their idols was called בּצל Ba‛al, ("Baal, or lord"), the tutelary god of the Phoenicians and Syrians; Judges 8:33; Judges 9:4, Judges 9:46. It is used here with reference to the IdoLS, and means that the laws which they were supposed to give in regard to their worship had control over the minds of their worshippers.
 
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When the disciples looked right into the face of Jesus Christ thy were looking right into the face of God and when they did, they did not die but they lived. If you have seen me (or looked into my face) you have seen the Father (and looked into His face). The Son was not only the expressed image of His person but also the brightness of His glory (Heb 1:3). When the disciples looked upon Jesus Christ they were beholding the brightness of the glory of God. This glory was the Word made flesh and when they looked upon Jesus, they saw this glory expressed as the image of the Father that was full of grace and truth. There was not distinction between the Father and the Son because they were equal and they were one in every way, in thought, in word and in deed and truth. To see the Son was to see the Father. To believe upon the Son was to believe upon the Father and no one could believe upon the Father without believing upon the Son whom He sent.

Jn 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip?, He that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Jn 12:44,45 Jesus cried and said , He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. 45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.

This glory was the Word made flesh
This is what we are saying. The WORD was made flesh. When God speaks, His Word(s) come out from within Him. His Word is SPIRIT. His Word can just be Words or it can take shape and act, whatever He desires His Word does, it does. If He desires create something, He just speaks it, and what comes out of His mouth becomes it. That Word can also become a living thinking independent entity if He commands it to..or millions of them, or billions, or trillions etc.
At the beginning, He used His Word that came out of His belly when He Spoke, to take a shape, and create everything. That Word obeyed, took shape and created everything. But it was still the Father creating, because without Him there would be no Word. ALL things CONSIST and are MADE from this Word.

So when we hear it said WORD. It does not just mean Jesus. But that Word that took form and created everything was put INSIDE of Jesus. They became ONE. And it came from the Father, an essence of the Father, put inside of Christ, but in FULL MEASURE, so God was IN Jesus, and since it was in Jesus and came from God, being a part of God, then Jesus is in God also, because what is IN Jesus, came from and is also within God.

There is another meaning to the word Word. We have just gone beyond that barrier so many stop at..they hear Jesus is the Word, and all that Word now means to them is Jesus, but there is so much more to it. And that Word that was with God in the beginning, that particular Word that formed and created everything, that Word became one with Jesus' soul. Jesus was made like us in every way (Hebrews) , even down to having His own soul..OR He would NOT have been like us in every way...(just without sin of course because He was special in that He was able to OBEY His God in EVERY way and never sin).

And that same Spirit IN Jesus, we are told in Romans 8:11, is put in us also. And it CAME from the Father. Which matches what i explained above. It is just not that SAME Word that CREATED everything and stood beside the Father waiting to be sent into a very special man to become ONE with. NOW everything that Word did, Jesus did too. They are One. But we get given of the Same Spirit that's coursing through God also.

What is so offensive that Jesus was a man like us (flesh with His own soul) yet had the very Spirit of creation joining with His own soul becoming One, with that Word. It was Christs soul joining with the Spirit of creation...and in the resurrection, they became One and the Same. How glorious. How special. The only human soul in all creation worthy of joining on that level !!! Thats One soul out of all the trillions that ever lived...ONE !! The ONLY pure soul...Wow. I'd call that special. Worthy of being elevated to God status consisting of the same Spirit as God making Him One with God. Nothing heretical there. Just pure admiration. It makes Him even MORE SPECIAL if you think about it.



 
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Jesus answered them
Is it not written in your law.

'I have said ye are gods'

If He(God) called them gods to whom the word of God came and the scriptures cannot be broken-what about the one whom the father set apart as his very own and sent into the world
Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said I am God's son
John 10:34-37
 
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zone

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Jesus answered them
Is it not written in your law.

'I have said ye are gods'

If He(God) called them gods to whom the word of God came and the scriptures cannot be broken-what about the one whom the father set apart as his very own and sent into the world
Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said I am God's son
John 10:34-37
wow. ya....of course that's next, isn't it.
(and there are 2 more so get them over with now why not?)

Exodus 22:9
In all cases of illegal possession of an ox, a donkey, a sheep, a garment, or any other lost property about which somebody says, 'This is mine,' both parties are to bring their cases before the judges. The one whom the judges declare guilty must pay back double to his neighbor.

before the judges
'elohiym (el-o-heem')
angels, exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), (very) great, judges, mighty.

Psalm 82
A psalm of Asaph.
1 God presides in the great assembly;
he gives judgment among the “gods”:
2 “How long will youa defend the unjust
and show partiality to the wicked? Selah
3 Defend the cause of the weak and fatherless;
maintain the rights of the poor and oppressed.
4 Rescue the weak and needy;
deliver them from the hand of the wicked.
5 “They know nothing, they understand nothing.
They walk about in darkness;
all the foundations of the earth are shaken.
6 “I said, ‘You are “gods”;
you are all sons of the Most High.’
7 But you will die like mere men;
you will fall like every other ruler.”
8 Rise up, O God, judge the earth,
for all the nations are your inheritance.

God standeth in the congregation of the mighty - In the assembly of the rulers and judges; among those of most exalted rank and station. He is there to observe them; to give them law; to direct their decisions; to judge them. He is supreme over them; and he holds them responsible to himself The word rendered congregation is that which is commonly applied to the assembly of the people of Israel, considered as an organized body, or as a body politic. It here, however, refers to magistrates considered as a body or class of people; as those who have assemblages or meetings, with special reference to their duties as magistrates. The word rendered "mighty" - אל 'Êl - is in the singular number, and is one of the names which are given to God; hence, the literal rendering is, "God standeth in the assembly of God." The Septuagint renders it, In the synagogue of the gods. So also the Latin Vulgate. The reference, however, is undoubtedly to magistrates, and the idea is, that they were to be regarded as representatives of God; as acting in his name; and as those, therefore, to whom, in a subordinate sense, the name gods might be given. Compare Psalm 82:6. In Exodus 21:6; Exodus 22:8-9, Exodus 22:28, also, the same word in the plural is applied to magistrates, and is properly translated judges in our common version. Compare the notes at John 10:34-35. The idea is, that they were the representatives of the divine sovereignty in the administration of justice. Compare Romans 13:1-2, Romans 13:6.

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this is where this has to go when the eternal Deity of Christ is denied.
 

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I think there is a problem here with a simple truth

The fulness of the Godhead bodily dwells in Christ, as the Holy Spirit descended on Christ in bodily form at his baptism.

But though the father is fully in the son via the spirit, the son is still the son, and the Father is the one true God. John 17:3

And the Father is greater than the son John 14:28 John 10:29

Christ never commanded anyone to believe He was God Himself

He never once said that eternal life hinged on believing He was God

No writer anywhere in the NT stated that eternal life hinged on a person believing Christ was God Himself

No writer in the NT used the plain words

Christ is God Himself

But then there is the theology and understanding of man mainly derived from scholars and theologians. And that takes precedence over the simple truth of scripture
 
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The Jews sought to kill Jesus Christ, not only because He had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was His Father making Himself equal with God. The Jews, knowing that there is only one God, knew that to be equal with God meant one thing, that Jesus Christ was making Himself God in the flesh and they called that blasphemy. If the Jews wanted to kill Jesus Christ because He made Himself equal with God, then what are we doing when we refuse to believe that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh as the Son of God? Does our heart testify against us and have us identify with these Jews that sought to kill our Lord? Are we becoming the modern day Jews that live in the spirit of antichrist and deny that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, has come in the flesh?
 
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I think there is a problem here with a simple truth

The fulness of the Godhead bodily dwells in Christ, as the Holy Spirit descended on Christ in bodily form at his baptism.

But though the father is fully in the son via the spirit, the son is still the son, and the Father is the one true God. John 17:3

And the Father is greater than the son John 14:28 John 10:29

Christ never commanded anyone to believe He was God Himself

He never once said that eternal life hinged on believing He was God

No writer anywhere in the NT stated that eternal life hinged on a person believing Christ was God Himself

No writer in the NT used the plain words

Christ is God Himself

But then there is the theology and understanding of man mainly derived from scholars and theologians. And that takes precedence over the simple truth of scripture
Very well put. God bless.
 
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The Jews sought to kill Jesus Christ, not only because He had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was His Father making Himself equal with God. The Jews, knowing that there is only one God, knew that to be equal with God meant one thing, that Jesus Christ was making Himself God in the flesh and they called that blasphemy. If the Jews wanted to kill Jesus Christ because He made Himself equal with God, then what are we doing when we refuse to believe that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh as the Son of God? Does our heart testify against us and have us identify with these Jews that sought to kill our Lord? Are we becoming the modern day Jews that live in the spirit of antichrist and deny that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, has come in the flesh?
Fair question.
John 5:18> Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill Him, because not only had He broken the sabbath, but said also that GOD WAS HIS FATHER, making Himself equal with God.

So Jesus never said He was equal with God, nowhere in scripture did He ever say this, but instead said God was HIS FATHER. THAT statement was what enraged the Jews. That equal charge came from Jesus saying that God was His Father. He never said that He was the Father, but said God was actually His Father..
 

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So Jesus never said He was equal with God, nowhere in scripture did He ever say this
STOP BLASPHEMING.

Isaiah 41:4
Who has done this and carried it through, calling forth the generations from the beginning? I, the LORD--with the first of them and with the last--I am he."

Isaiah 44:6
"This is what the LORD says--Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.

Isaiah 48:12
"Listen to me, O Jacob, Israel, whom I have called: I am he; I am the first and I am the last.

Revelation 1:8
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

Revelation 1:17
When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last.

Revelation 2:8
"To the angel of the church in Smyrna write: These are the words of him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again.

Revelation 3:14
"To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation.

Revelation 21:6
He said to me: "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life.
 
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The Jews sought to kill Jesus Christ, not only because He had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was His Father making Himself equal with God. The Jews, knowing that there is only one God, knew that to be equal with God meant one thing, that Jesus Christ was making Himself God in the flesh and they called that blasphemy. If the Jews wanted to kill Jesus Christ because He made Himself equal with God, then what are we doing when we refuse to believe that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh as the Son of God? Does our heart testify against us and have us identify with these Jews that sought to kill our Lord? Are we becoming the modern day Jews that live in the spirit of antichrist and deny that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, has come in the flesh?
Jesus is the second Adam. In other words created directly by God Himself. Why else would He be called the second Adam or creature?
Until these two statements are removed from the bible, we must question them and seek it out tirelessly never giving up.
It is the FLESH God is talking about as creature.
What do we get when we come to the Lord?
The Holy Spirit.
Where does it come from?
The Father.
If we have the Holy Spirit in us, isn't that a manifestation?
Does that make us God also? No.
Who was with God in the OT?
Why is that presence absent in the NT?
He is mentioned thousands of times in the OT but not once in the NT!
That's because He was put into Jesus.
Yet God is still mentioned and prayed to all that time.
So one is still in heaven, and one is absent. That makes TWO.
And since He (Living Word) grafted onto Christ's soul, they became One.
Now because of that, that living Word, and all He ever did (create all things), Jesus did too. Jesus is what made that Word Gods Son, instead of just an extension of God as is what the Word was..Jesus was that added "DNA" to complete that living Word.
So NOW it was Jesus all along in the OT. That pure Word that was with God, came out of God, and dwelt in His Son.

God doesn't have sex, so He creates with His inner Word which is Spirit.
So the Word doesn't always mean Jesus..it is Gods Power that can become anything God wishes it to become. One thing, or trillions of things.
And He gave it a bodily form, and kept it aside until He created His Son directly (2nd Adam) and put that Spirit IN Him. Hence manifest IN Jesus.
James tells us that the Holy Spirit grafts within us.
What does it graft on to?
Our souls.
And God created souls, but made them bereft of Holy Spirit.
These are truly independent entities, it is only the soul substance that is Spirit, NOT spiritual, but spirit material. A life force/battery.
Then came the time to give life to men, His Son heralded the Holy Spirit/Word into this world.
This Spirit makes that battery self generating, bringing it to life with the added "ingredient" which comes out of the Father..
But ONLY Jesus gets full measure.
Not even angels get His measure of Spirit.
And ONLY Jesus got that special kept aside Word that created everything.
That pure Word.
This is why Jesus was there at the beginning.
His soul joined with that Spirit.
Now Jesus was from the beginning after all.
But technically, he wasn't, but NOW He was.
It is a loop situation that once each end joins, there is no longer a beginning/joining, but ONE circle that is nothing other than what it is regardless of what it was before being completed.
And what it was before, no longer is, cancelling out the BEFORE, to make it the always was.

Red, do you see what i am saying? I can not for one minute think this is blasphemous, but truly AMAZING. It enriches Jesus, not robs Him. The only man in the history of planet earth to be worthy of receiving that Word that created everything. To have put inside of Him full measure that power unrestrained that God also possesses!!
And since it came from God...that means that there is still only ONE GOD.
IF Jesus had a different Spirit, then yes, there would be considered TWO Gods. Different "DNA", different "race". So even if there were 700 Jesus' with God, they would still be considered ONE. SAME SPIRIT IN ALL coming from the ONE SOURCE...the Father.

 
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STOP BLASPHEMING.
Now i'm a blasphemer too? Lets look at your proof...

#1:
Isaiah 41:4
Who has done this and carried it through, calling forth the generations from the beginning? I, the LORD--with the first of them and with the last--I am he."

Lets see what you have left out.

Isaiah 41
1> Keep silence before Me, O islands, and let the people renew their strength, let them come near, then let them speak, let us come near together to judgment.
2> WHO RAISED UP THE RIGHTEOUS MAN FROM THE EAST, CALLED HIM TO HIS FOOT, GAVE THE NATIONS BEFORE HIM, AND MADE HIM RULE OVER KINGS? HE GAVE THEM AS DUST TO HIS SWORD, AND AS DRIVEN STUBBLE TO HIS BOW.
3> HE pursued them, and passed safely, even by the way that HE had not gone with HIS feet.
4> WHO hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the Lord, the first, and WITH the Last, I am HE.

THE WORD SPEAKS.
and who does the Word speak for?
THE FATHER.
Did God RAISE UP Himself? Is God a man? Did God call to Himself? How can one GIVE what is already His to Himself? How can one make Himself rule when He already rules?

NOTE:
Isaiah 42:1> Behold (a) MY servant, whom (b) I uphold, (c) Mine elect, (d) IN WHOM MY SOUL delighteth, (e) I have PUT MY SPIRIT UPON HIM, (f) HE shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

(a) MY SERVANT. Can the master be the servant also

NOTE:
Galatians 4:1> Now I say, That the HEIR, AS LONG AS HE IS A CHILD, differeth nothing from a SERVANT, though He be Lord of ALL.

Jesus was a SERVANT until He MATURED (was resurrected into SPIRIT) to claim His inheritance.

(b) I UPHOLD. Who is upholding? NOT Jesus, He was being UPHELD. So then who is this that said, I UPHOLD if they are the SAME person?

NOTE:
Isaiah 42:6> I the Lord have called Thee in righteousness, and will hold Thine hand, and will keep Thee, and give Thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles.

God called Himself? God held His own hand? Kept Himself? GIVE Thee (YOU) for a covenant...giving YOU? Why not just say giving ME?

(c) MINE ELECT. Can God's elect be Himself? Can He be His own right hand man?

NOTE:
1 Peter 2:6>
Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Zion a chief corner stone, ELECT, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

God is building His Church. And the God is THE God, God is not that church, but ABOVE that church. Is the church equal to it's God? Of course not. So why does the Church contain Jesus being PART OF IT? The FOUNDATION it is BUILT OUT OF? IF Jesus is the Father, WHY is the Father physically PART of that church? The GOD must be ABOVE not physically part of.
God is giving His church a FOUNDATION STONE...the High Priest (Elect). He represents THAT God He serves...WILL God be the High Priest ALSO? Then it would not be a High Priest, but God pretending to be a High Priest.


(d) IN WHOM MY SOUL DELIGHTETH. IN WHOM...WHO...HIM...OTHER...NOT ME...SOMEONE ELSE...ANOTHER PERSON...OTHER THAN ME...Does God delight in Himself? Wouldn't that be proud? Self centred? When His whole message is not to puff ourselves up? To Be like Him? Do you delight in yourself Zone?

NOTE:
Isaiah 53
2> For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground...
4> Surely He hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows, yet we did esteem Him stricken, SMITTEN OF GOD AND AFFLICTED.

Shall God grow up before Himself? Is God coming out of a dry ground (spiritually barren)? Is heaven barren? Or was earth spiritually barren till Jesus came? Did God smite Himself? But we are told that is a SIN. NOT TO SMITE OR CUT OURSELVES !! So is God a sinner now also?

(e) HE SHALL BRING FORTH JUDGMENT TO THE GENTILES. God said HE not ME. Why didn't He just say I?


So this makes me a blasphemer?




 
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When Jesus showed Himself to the 500 people,He was in resurrected flesh from the dead.

He showed Himself to the disciples in resurrected flesh,and told Thomas to feel the nail prints in His hands,and the spear print in His side,which Thomas then said my Lord and my God.

Jesus showed Himself in resurrected flesh for 40 days,and then talked to the disciples on the Mount of Olives,in which He rose up out of their sight and received a glorified body,which the Bible says that the throne in heaven is the throne of both God and the Lamb,God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.

No man has seen God at any time,and no man will ever see God,for He is God.

The only way we can see God is to see a visible manifestation of Him,who is Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ is the visible relationship of God to His saints,where the Holy Spirit is God's invisible relationship to the saints.

The only way we can see God's face is to see Jesus.That is as close as we can get to seeing God,for we can never see the invisible Spirit.

Not even angels can see the invisible God,for the Bible says God was manifest in the flesh,seen of angels.

God is God,and will never allow us to see Him as God.

Jesus is God's name to reveal spiritual blessings to us,but God has a name as God,that the saints can never know,for to know that name is to understand all God,and the Bible says that Jesus has a name that no man knows.

We can never see the invisible God,and we can never know God's name that reveals all God.We can only see a visible bodily manifestation of God,which Jesus is the fulness of the Godhead bodily,and we can only know the name Jesus,and not God's name that represents Him wholly.

14That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
15Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen(1 Timothy 6:14-16).


No man has seen Jesus,and no man will ever see Jesus,and no man can approach the light where Jesus dwells representing Him as God wholly.


Jesus is more than a visible God,for no man can see Jesus,and no man will ever see Jesus,for He is the invisible God.


The only way we can see Jesus is if He shows us a visible manifestation of Himself.


Jesus showed Himself to the 500 people in resurrected flesh,for He resurrected from the dead.
 
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Jesus is the Son of God

Peace be to you

We have always preached God was not Flesh but spirit.num 22-
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."Jesus christ"

1st john,
Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Jesus christ;
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. (clickable links)

This is Why Jesus Came-----------^



The most high God bruised Jesus to become our high priest,
For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death;because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

If Jesus christ was standing infront of you and said, I said, I am the Son of God.You can believe he is.,john 10,36-

If the apostales stood infront of you and said "we believe and are sure that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God."Be assured we do believe and are sure he is;)

For Jesus received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.2nd peter 1.If God said Jesus was his Son you can believe he is

I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Love a friend in God
in Jesus name








 
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Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
Then was Jesus led up of the spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Love you Lord


 
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Isaiah 41:4
Who has done this and carried it through, calling forth the generations from the beginning? I, the LORD--with the first of them and with the last--I am he."
From the beginning it was Gods words speaking.
Isaiah 44:6
"This is what the LORD says--Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God. Gods word speaking.

Isaiah 48:12
"Listen to me, O Jacob, Israel, whom I have called: I am he; I am the first and I am the last.
Gods word speaking
Revelation 1:8
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Gods word speaking.

Revelation 1:17
When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. Gods word speaking.

Revelation 2:8
"To the angel of the church in Smyrna write: These are the words of him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again. Gods word speaking.

Revelation 3:14
"To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation. Gods word, is the faithful and true witness.
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Revelation 21:6
He said to me: "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life.
Gods word speaking: The word that was made flesh.

correction: Rev3:14. ---THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD:

The word of God was speaking from the beginning,from the day he created the angels in heaven.
And God brought his word down to earth,in a human form,so we can see, and touch, and hear him speaking. Everything was created by his word; His word obeys God,His word can not perform without him, where from the word came out of.
The word can not do anything without God,for it is dependant on God.
God and his word was from ever lasting; there was no time when God did not have his word.

This human, person with an identity,is now sitting next to God; with a new name;THE WORD OF GOD.rev19:13. And all power is GIVEN TO HIM.He was the one that died and was made alive. he is the one coming again,he is the judge,he is the one with the sword in his mouth; the executer of Gods will. He carries out the will of God, from the beginning.He was the one that speaks;''Let there be light". He was the one that speaks,''Let US make man in our image.''

This is the reason that we can not confuse the two,because GOD NEVER DIED,IT IS THE WORD INTHE FLESH THAT DIED. The flesh was just the temple of God,that was destroyed,and it was restored in 3 days.
Each one of us must try to be that temple,by following his footsteps.
Fill your self with the word,just like Jesus was filled with the word.

''wakeup''.
 
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I have noticed that the people who are most vociferous in their condemnation of people who do not believe Christ is God Himself put the least emphasis on the Holy Spirit. And yet they say they believe in an EQUAL Trinity.
From their comments it would be difficult to accept that
It seems to be more a Trinity of
Father, Son and the Bilbe with the Holy Spirit playing a minor role in the background

But then it is the Holy Spirit THAT LEADS A PERSON INTO TRUTH

But some emphasie who follow scholars and theologians that they have striven themselves with great effort to learn what they have learnt
They have spent much time studying and because they have, they have reaped their rewards with the knowledge and wisdom they have

The Holy Spirit is rarely mentioned

But as these people are contradicting the plain and continuous words of Christ as to the required belief in him to have eternal life, it is hardly suprising. The Holy Spirit led person could never do such a thing, the person led by the rational mind of man definately could
 
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Mt 2:1,2,10,11 1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold , there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, 2 Saying , Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him... 10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy. 11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down , and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.

These wise men did not come to worship a man but they did come to worship God and fell down and worshiped this young child. No one worshiped this young child except these wise men. What a beautiful picture of God becoming flesh to reveal Himself to sinful man and would later be crucified for their sins. These wise men laid their eyes on the king of the Jews and upon the Lamb of God who would take away their sin. This young child would be called Emmanuel, GOD WITH US, and they beheld His glory right their in the manger in Bethlehem (Mt 1:23), fulfilling (Is 7:14).

Only the Spirit of God could reveal to the heart of these wise men that this young child was God in the flesh and only by this same Spirit can Jesus Christ be revealed as God in the fleshly tables of our hearts. If we deny this, we live in unbelief and have not the Spirit, for the Spirit confesses that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh and is Lord (1Jn 4:2,3,13-15, 1Cor 12:3, 2Cor 3:3).