No MAN has SEEN God at ANY time

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Two simple question LBG:

what does Jesus being the Son of God really mean to you? what makes Him different from God the Father?
I hope Anandya you never again mock people or find fault with them for not answering your questions, for you do not answer the simplest questions of mine. It really is not fair to have the attitude you do towards others who fail to answer your questions, when you so often fail to answer others questions yourself
 
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AnandaHya

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Do you not believe Jesus was being spoken of in Deut 18:17-19?
Jeremiah 1
9 Then the LORD put forth His hand and touched my mouth, and the LORD said to me:
“ Behold, I have put My words in your mouth.
10 See, I have this day set you over the nations and over the kingdoms,
To root out and to pull down,
To destroy and to throw down,
To build and to plant.”


Jesus is the WORD, prophets just SPEAK the words of the LORD. Jesus is the LORD.

John 1

The Eternal Word

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend[a] it.
 
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Jeremiah 1
9 Then the LORD put forth His hand and touched my mouth, and the LORD said to me:
“ Behold, I have put My words in your mouth.
10 See, I have this day set you over the nations and over the kingdoms,
To root out and to pull down,
To destroy and to throw down,
To build and to plant.”

Jesus is the WORD, prophets just SPEAK the words of the LORD. Jesus is the LORD.

John 1

The Eternal Word

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend[a] it.
Can you not give a yes or no answer? Do you believe Jesus was being refered to in Deut 18:17-19?

Why is it so hard to clearly answer yes or no?
 
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Because the world is not Black and White. it does not fit into your dualistic world view and I did answer. I'm sorry you don't understand it. perhaps God will give you insight.
 
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Jeremiah 1
9 Then the LORD put forth His hand and touched my mouth, and the LORD said to me:
“ Behold, I have put My words in your mouth.
10 See, I have this day set you over the nations and over the kingdoms,
To root out and to pull down,
To destroy and to throw down,
To build and to plant.”

Jesus is the WORD, prophets just SPEAK the words of the LORD. Jesus is the LORD.

it.
Well you are in a roundabout way saying Jesus was not being refered to in Duet 18:17-19 and you are wrong.

Repent then and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord, and that he may send the Christ who has been appointed for you even Jesus.
He must remain in Heaven until the time comes for God to restore everything as he promised long ago through his holy prophets
For Moses said
The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet from among your own people, you must listen to everything he tells you
Acts 3:19-22

The Lord said to me
What they say is good. I will raise up from them a prophet like you, from among their brothers(their own people) I will put my words in his mouth and he will tell them everything I command him
If anyone doers not listen to my words that the prophet speaks IN MY NAME I myself will call him to account
Duet 18:17-19
 
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LBG is Jesus just a Prophet to you with power similar to Moses?
 
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LBG is Jesus just a Prophet to you?
As you fail to answer the simplest of questions I put to you Anandya, I do not feel obligated to answer any of yours

And do you think Peter did not understand who was being refered to in Duet 18:17-19?

Was he wrong also, but you are right?
 
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i think i'll talk to someone who actually answers instead of interrogates and questions and insults and slanders me.



red would you like some more coffee and cake? maybe another thread? :) lol
 
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i think i'll talk to someone who actually answers instead of interrogates and questions and insults and slanders me.

Absolutely incredible

You have spent much time slandering me today and now say what you do

You call me arrogant, someone who is trying to bribe God, hypocriticasl asnd Phariseeical and you complain I am slandering you, all because I ask you to answer my questions and point out your error concerning verses in Duet


I am finding this happens a lot from those most vociferous in their condemnation or/and fault finding with people who actually stand on what is plainly written. They seem to find nothing wrong with making untruthful comments concerning others.
 
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LBG give me one example of me slandering YOU and not just discussing differing ideas and opinions. give me one example where i called YOU personally anything insulting or condemning and I will apologize

but you have called me false, placed words in my mouth that I did not speak and accused me of not answering questions when I have answered all until you declared you were NOT GOING TO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS so why then if you do not give me the respect of answer should I continue with a person who does not do as he preaches or rants about?
 
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LBG give me one example of me slandering YOU and not just discussing differing ideas and opinions. give me one example where i called YOU personally anything insulting or condemning and I will apologize


Post 111 you say

Don't try and bribe God with your false humility.

I will not trawl through them all but that proves my point.

but you have called me false, placed words in my mouth that I did not speak and accused me of not answering questions when I have answered all until you declared you were NOT GOING TO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS so why then if you do not give me the respect of answer should I continue with a person who does not do as he preaches or rants about?
Then do not respond to my posts. The above remarks are not honest. But why am I suprised.
 
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i think i'll talk to someone who actually answers instead of interrogates and questions and insults and slanders me.



red would you like some more coffee and cake? maybe another thread? :) lol
I would love the fellowship. Cream and two sugars please.
 

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No your brain deadness, i don't think i need to explain something that i already have; your inability to comprehend it, is your problem.


Personally as i've mentioned before, but is only a personal beleif; i think when they had you in the Phych ward, that you just don't remember anything after they did zap you.


You display NO fruits of the spirit to me whatsoever; we obviously DO NOT agree on much outside of the name of Christ; so why don't you do both of us a favour and just mind your own business; Miss busybody in other peoples affairs.


well well well.
i don't know if i've ever had anyone make such a remark.

i'll just think this one over for a little while.
carry on Glowing.
 
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well well well.
i don't know if i've ever had anyone make such a remark.

i'll just think this one over for a little while.
carry on Glowing.
Been thinking about the type of mind that would make such a sickening post myself for the last hour. What's even more troubling is that he has "brothers" here. Nothing more needs to be said.
 
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well well well.
i don't know if i've ever had anyone make such a remark.

i'll just think this one over for a little while.
carry on Glowing.
Whats the matter Zone? can dish it out, but can't take it?
 
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No your brain deadness, i don't think i need to explain something that i already have; your inability to comprehend it, is your problem.

Personally as i've mentioned before, but is only a personal beleif; i think when they had you in the Phych ward, that you just don't remember anything after they did zap you.

You display NO fruits of the spirit to me whatsoever; we obviously DO NOT agree on much outside of the name of Christ; so why don't you do both of us a favour and just mind your own business; Miss busybody in other peoples affairs.
As mentioned above, this is only a personal beleif (almost a serious religion :D) I'm only going by what Zone has already said to everyone already; as to where she claims to have gotten her enlightenment.

She spends most of her time, insulting and slandering untold numbers of people as well as endless streams of teachers, that she enjoys prejudging.

I know that new people come on here all the time; so i thought we were overdue for a reminder of what her credintials are, thats all.

If i have offended anyone please forgive me; this however is not extended towards Zone, as i feel she has tons of apologizing to do, to The Father before i would ever think of re-extending my olive branch to her.

Forever in Christ :)
 
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Hi Shwagga,
I apologize if my answers didn't address your questions properly, or if i went on a tangent, i will answer again as is only fair.

I noticed there many pages of comments, questions, etc. So I did not read through all of your posts or all of the posts on the entirety of the thread. So if you were asked these questions and would like to direct me to the post number which you addressed this I would appreciate that.

I am going to try to make a case that what you are doing is actually building the foundation FOR the Trinity (good job!) even though what you are doing is trying to ask "gotcha" questions. Sorry, it doesn't work like that. So I would like to quote these same scriptures back at you with a few more passages you may have overlooked and possibly, time permitting, you will be able to reply back. Okay..

You quoted from Exodus 33 and John 1:18, both texts which I will also refer to. You have a multitude of passages in the Old Testament (tanakh) which clearly state God can be seen and has been seen. The first text I will draw from is Genesis 32.

Genesis 32:31 (verse 30 in English-Christian translations)
יִּקְרָ֧א יַעֲקֹ֛ב שֵׁ֥ם הַמָּקֹ֖ום פְּנִיאֵ֑ל כִּֽי־רָאִ֤יתִי אֱלֹהִים֙ פָּנִ֣ים אֶל־פָּנִ֔ים וַתִּנָּצֵ֖ל נַפְשִֽׁי

"And Jacob called the name of the place peniel (face of God), for I have seen God face to face and my life (lit. soul) is preserved.

So, this is one of the clearest passages where Jacob has seen God. First it says it's a man, then it says it's God, and then it says it's an angel. Well, Jacob clearly believed he saw God. He named the place "peniel" which means face of God. Um, does that mean he saw God's face? He goes on to say why he says this by saying "ki ra'iti elohim panim el-panim", for I have seen God face to face (panim el-panim). Are we to believe this? Does this fit into our theology? Can we "allow the scriptures to speak" ?

Isaiah and Amos had similar encounters with God. Read the accounts in Isaiah 6 and Amos 9. They both say the same phrase "ראיתי את-אדני", ra'iti 'et 'adonai, I have seen my Lord. Trust me, Isaiah and Amos both knew the Torah, they knew Exodus 33 where it says "לֹֽא־ יִרְאַ֥נִי הָאָדָ֖ם וָחָֽי" lo yir'ani ha'adam vachai, no human can see me and live. So, Isaiah was ready to die! Isaiah continues on in chapter 6 verse 5 and says "אוי לי" oy li! Woe is me! He was prepared to die! But what happened? Neither Isaiah, Amos, Jacob, Moses, Ezekiel, (the list goes ) have died when they saw God.

John 1:18 makes it very explicit no man has ever seen the Father except the Son. So, what does this mean? How are we to understand these passages where God was clearly seen? Well, in light of a host of passages in the NT which declare the deity of ישוע܇/Yeshua/Jesus as the Son of God, who is God incarnate. We can understand all of these mysteries and more! Colossians 1:15 "He [The Son] is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation." Amazing! So, yes it's true no one has seen God, the Father! But, they saw the Son. Anytime God was visible in the Old Testament or in the Person of Jesus, it was the Son of God!

That is the only thing that makes sense to me or we are stuck with the question, how can God be seen and yet unseen at the same time? Visible and yet invisible? Are only some passages in the Bible true? Or are they all true like 2nd Timothy 3:16 says "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God...." Consider why Paul and Peter both say " looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ" and "...by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ: " (ref. Titus 2:13, 2 Peter 1:1.. How could they call Jesus our great God and Savior? (Isaiah 9:6 (9:5 in Hebrew/Jewish-English translations) says the child will be called "אל גבור /el gibor" - Mighty God. Psalm 45.. Etc, etc.. Think of how Thomas could say in John 20:28 "...my Lord and my God!" and instead of being rebuked Jesus blesses him and says "blessed are you..." Please consider this....

This is something that takes a while to understand and to fathom, but once you get it you really "get it!" it makes sense and it will bring a host of passages to light for you.

Psalm 119:18
גַּל־עֵינַ֥י וְאַבִּ֑יטָה נִ֝פְלָאֹ֗ות מִתֹּורָתֶֽךָ
gal-'einai v'abitah nifla'ot mitoratekha
Open my eyes that I may see terrific wonders from your torah [law, instructions]

Amen, let that prayer be true for all of us.

Blessings.
Okay, what you are saying is that you agree that no man has seen God at any time. Your argument is that the one being seen is in fact Jesus the Son of God, since it is written that the Father is the invisible God. And i gather that you mean that Jesus is the visible incarnate expression of the Father. That would make Him, Jesus, the Father's visible image. Which of course would make Jesus just an expression of the Father, meaning that Jesus IS the Father. Since you mention Jesus not rebuking Thomas for calling Him my Lord and my God, i gather this is your meaning?

Forgive me, i understand that there are two versions of trinity. I am trying to decipher which one you hold since i do not follow either.
Can we clear this up so i know how to properly respond please?
Are you saying that the Son isn't really the Son, but a projection of the Father merely being called the Son for identification means?

Thanks.


 
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As mentioned above, this is only a personal beleif (almost a serious religion :D) I'm only going by what Zone has already said to everyone already; as to where she claims to have gotten her enlightenment.

She spends most of her time, insulting and slandering untold numbers of people as well as endless streams of teachers, that she enjoys prejudging.

I know that new people come on here all the time; so i thought we were overdue for a reminder of what her credintials are, thats all.

If i have offended anyone please forgive me; this however is not extended towards Zone, as i feel she has tons of apologizing to do, to The Father before i would ever think of re-extending my olive branch to her.

Forever in Christ :)
Awwww.......isn't this special ? Your problem is that Zone slams the door shut on the nonsense that you and a few others here try to pass off as Christianity. Simply put, you don't like getting fed your lunch. Too bad bubba. Nobody's going anywhere :)