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Who are you to say what Love would do or say? You don't know Love. You don't know what "loving" is. God, who is Love, is not your Father.
So instead of saying that our Father is not loving, how about trying to seek knowledge of the Truth (which is Jesus--John 14:6) and step out of your mind control, that your father, the devil, gladly and non-lovingly has you in. Wanna talk about that? Does that sound loving to you?
So instead of saying that our Father is not loving, how about trying to seek knowledge of the Truth (which is Jesus--John 14:6) and step out of your mind control, that your father, the devil, gladly and non-lovingly has you in. Wanna talk about that? Does that sound loving to you?
That's different. The way you were speaking made it seem as if you equate God and Bible as the same. Jesus is the Son of God, and thus the fullness of God Himself. He is not a book. The way the discussion was going seemed to be heading in that direction, hence my first comment.
We are to worship God alone, and no other. Life up not the creation above the Creator. Jesus is God, He divinely revealed truth through inspiring men in the Holy Spirit. Jesus is Creator. The Bible is a created thing.
We are to worship God alone, and no other. Life up not the creation above the Creator. Jesus is God, He divinely revealed truth through inspiring men in the Holy Spirit. Jesus is Creator. The Bible is a created thing.
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Then why don't we see Constantine and the Pope of Alexandria which is Athanasius, their work on how the spirit told them to pick and choose which book or letter to put here or there in order? My doesn't some of our Sunday services talk to us about the most important book of our lives? When I was born I've had the Old and New Testament read to me several times I've grown up with the word everyday of my life, and now that I'm seeking with my whole heart and asking God why don't we all know these things, and what happens to all the millions of people who lived and all the other continents that had no idea about the Jewish Torah and our Bible, Im finding that the Spirit of Love is designed for all creation. Nothing in all creation can ever be separated from Love. If we do not battle flesh and blood but the principalities and powers of the air, and our enemy is to be loved, then we have to take our thoughts captive with love. That means for all creation.
M
If you really read and believe the Old Testament law...you will find and know Christ and if you really want to know how the New testament came together and the amazing amount evidence of the books that are in the cannon? You will find that too. But if you came here to ridicule our faith and cast doubt upon the bible...your just wasting your time and effort and will probably end up getting your pride hurt...because many of us know what we believe and why we believe it...and will not be moved, even for a moment.
What? Pretend? Im a sinner too brutha. Im just wanderring why we as a religion don't even know how our book was put together and how it was ordered. And is syncretism a real role in how Constantine and the whole world gave us the 66 books? Aren't we supposed to seek first and test second whether or not it is from the spirit of love what we're hearing? Love is the banner and it covers us all weather we are ignorant or not. I love you!
You have suggested multiple times on this site that God is not loving. That screams that you don't know the Spirit of Love. It's amazing that the Love that told you to test the spirits is what you're testing to see if the very commandment to test if something is from the Spirit of Love came from the Spirit of Love. Are you not? You are testing the Word of God for the Spirit of Love when the Word of God came from the Spirit of Love that commanded you to test.
We have seen how you've spoken against God's very nature of Love on here. It has not gone unnoticed, so yes, don't pretend now.
We have seen how you've spoken against God's very nature of Love on here. It has not gone unnoticed, so yes, don't pretend now.
Love would never say that he makes pots for fire and trash, and a few to put on the shelf for display. Thats not a loving potter. Love would never put Jews first and gentiles second. Love would never allow other races of human beings to be ignorant of itself. Love was installed in all creation, and its control over the mind that keeps it from manifesting. Love does not demand its own way, It doesnt command or cause fear. The beginning of wisdom is Love, and the Spirit of Love covers us all, even when one thinks that fear of Love is the beginning of wisdom. Love will restore all of its creation.
M
---...Preach the word; be ready in seasons and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction... 2 Timothy 4:2 (READ in context)
Yonah,
Thanks for your sincere reply as well as your expressed concern...
I am very confused, however, at the statement you made in the very beginning which I think is important to address especially since others will view this post.
You said, "I didn't receive [my] Savior from John's revelation, received [my] *Savior* as per John 6:44."
This is problematic.
How can someone say they received the Jesus Christ from the Gospel of John and then go on to say that they did not receive the Jesus of The Revelation of Jesus Christ, [that was given to John]? How can you claim to receive one and not the other? Are they not the same John and the same Jesus?
Remember Revelation 3:20? (READ it in context)
Relying on the Word of God takes first priority over the word of any man, whether that man be a teacher, a professing prophet, or any man who claims to be spiritual and thus claiming to speak on behalf of God.
Examining every teacher and every professing prophet and every man who claims to be spiritual was never God's intent. One should be truly satisfied with the Word of God and convinced not to deviate from it.
No man is perfect in what he says. That includes teachers. That being said, no one should be looked down upon who chooses to receive the Word of God and the Word of God alone. It is up to each individual, and at their sole risk, who he or she wants to listen to.
In regard to your comment about me being concerned there are so many teachers and my judgement of condemnation upon them; I pronounced no such judgement upon [anyone]. Nor did I insinuate that My Father's arm what to short to save [anyone]. This is something that never even crossed my mind when I wrote the aforementioned, which it seems, you accused me of doing.
And yes, we should all be very concerned about the vast number of teachers, for the Word of God clearly states:
---"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; instead, to suit their own desires they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.--- 2 Timothy 4:3
I also noticed your use of various scriptures. It is easy for anyone to pick scriptures from various parts of the bible and piece them together conveniently, in what I call patchwork, to form their own argument. I was not presenting something that could be argued. I presented Revelation. As some know, anyone who adds or subtracts to Revelation does so to their own detriment.
I held and am holding to the word of God which is The Revelation of Jesus Christ and as a result you created a patchwork of verses from all over the bible, out of context, to try to refute my faith in the Jesus Christ of Revelation. And, inwhat it seemed like, your intent, to convert me to Jesus whom I have already received! (The Jesus John proclaims!)
Its been done before and I am afraid I will see more of this in the future...
In addition, it is never God's Will for someone to belittle a believer for holding his or her faith in the scriptures alone.
It is no wonder, Satan himself used scripture when tempting Jesus. The most deceitful lie is one disguised with many truths. The idea isn't to find the truths but instead, spot the lie or misrepresentation or half-truth.
In this case, it is obvious, when you stated you, "...didn't receive my Savior from Johns Revelation, I received my *Savior* as per John 6:44..." which is a major red flag that could lead others who are reading to conclude the author of the Gospel of John and the John who received Revelation are not one and the same.
Not only that, it looks like, from what you posted, you suggest these are two different Jesus's. That is Heresy. Not to mention very dangerous theology, if you can even call it that.
All that being said, I do think you meant well, but, as I mentioned before, I come across this often. I will always stick to the Word of God, The Revelation of Jesus Christ, before I take advice from strangers, especially those I meet for the first time online in a chat forum.
I see you gave me some advice. I will do the same. Prayerfully consider re-reading Revelation so you know the Jesus I put my faith in and the Jesus, whom it seems, you casually deny, for what I see, as a way of creating discord instead of creating unity. This is where there should be complete unity, the Word of God.
If the Word of God, especially, Revelation cannot be agreed upon, division is very necessary and if you or anyone else doesn't believe Revelation is the inspired Word of God and the real Jesus mentioned, as I do, then we must divide.
This needed to be addressed as I have not seen anything like this on the forums in which division was made, by an individual, dividing the Word of God, in what I see, merely an attempt or opportunity to simply disagree with someone else.
Thank you for your time in reading a concern of my which I felt was extremely necessary to address.
In any event, I pour out grace and mercy because I am no more perfect in those things I say or do.
Yonah,
Thanks for your sincere reply as well as your expressed concern...
I am very confused, however, at the statement you made in the very beginning which I think is important to address especially since others will view this post.
You said, "I didn't receive [my] Savior from John's revelation, received [my] *Savior* as per John 6:44."
This is problematic.
How can someone say they received the Jesus Christ from the Gospel of John and then go on to say that they did not receive the Jesus of The Revelation of Jesus Christ, [that was given to John]? How can you claim to receive one and not the other? Are they not the same John and the same Jesus?
Remember Revelation 3:20? (READ it in context)
Relying on the Word of God takes first priority over the word of any man, whether that man be a teacher, a professing prophet, or any man who claims to be spiritual and thus claiming to speak on behalf of God.
Examining every teacher and every professing prophet and every man who claims to be spiritual was never God's intent. One should be truly satisfied with the Word of God and convinced not to deviate from it.
No man is perfect in what he says. That includes teachers. That being said, no one should be looked down upon who chooses to receive the Word of God and the Word of God alone. It is up to each individual, and at their sole risk, who he or she wants to listen to.
In regard to your comment about me being concerned there are so many teachers and my judgement of condemnation upon them; I pronounced no such judgement upon [anyone]. Nor did I insinuate that My Father's arm what to short to save [anyone]. This is something that never even crossed my mind when I wrote the aforementioned, which it seems, you accused me of doing.
And yes, we should all be very concerned about the vast number of teachers, for the Word of God clearly states:
---"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; instead, to suit their own desires they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.--- 2 Timothy 4:3
I also noticed your use of various scriptures. It is easy for anyone to pick scriptures from various parts of the bible and piece them together conveniently, in what I call patchwork, to form their own argument. I was not presenting something that could be argued. I presented Revelation. As some know, anyone who adds or subtracts to Revelation does so to their own detriment.
I held and am holding to the word of God which is The Revelation of Jesus Christ and as a result you created a patchwork of verses from all over the bible, out of context, to try to refute my faith in the Jesus Christ of Revelation. And, inwhat it seemed like, your intent, to convert me to Jesus whom I have already received! (The Jesus John proclaims!)
Its been done before and I am afraid I will see more of this in the future...
In addition, it is never God's Will for someone to belittle a believer for holding his or her faith in the scriptures alone.
It is no wonder, Satan himself used scripture when tempting Jesus. The most deceitful lie is one disguised with many truths. The idea isn't to find the truths but instead, spot the lie or misrepresentation or half-truth.
In this case, it is obvious, when you stated you, "...didn't receive my Savior from Johns Revelation, I received my *Savior* as per John 6:44..." which is a major red flag that could lead others who are reading to conclude the author of the Gospel of John and the John who received Revelation are not one and the same.
Not only that, it looks like, from what you posted, you suggest these are two different Jesus's. That is Heresy. Not to mention very dangerous theology, if you can even call it that.
All that being said, I do think you meant well, but, as I mentioned before, I come across this often. I will always stick to the Word of God, The Revelation of Jesus Christ, before I take advice from strangers, especially those I meet for the first time online in a chat forum.
I see you gave me some advice. I will do the same. Prayerfully consider re-reading Revelation so you know the Jesus I put my faith in and the Jesus, whom it seems, you casually deny, for what I see, as a way of creating discord instead of creating unity. This is where there should be complete unity, the Word of God.
If the Word of God, especially, Revelation cannot be agreed upon, division is very necessary and if you or anyone else doesn't believe Revelation is the inspired Word of God and the real Jesus mentioned, as I do, then we must divide.
This needed to be addressed as I have not seen anything like this on the forums in which division was made, by an individual, dividing the Word of God, in what I see, merely an attempt or opportunity to simply disagree with someone else.
Thank you for your time in reading a concern of my which I felt was extremely necessary to address.
In any event, I pour out grace and mercy because I am no more perfect in those things I say or do.
? I hope you were talking to someone elses post, cuz I have no idea why i receieved this. Maybe, im an idiot and responded to other posts when i didnt know what i was doing. Im sorry, this was my first day on here, and i was looking to chat and replied to posts thinking they were chat starters. I finally get why everyone was frustrated with me, and this too will be read by all. So sorry everyone, im an idiot. Wont happen again. Where do we chat? I thought this was a chat site. Thanks
C
if we receive the witness of me the witness of God is greater, a person who believes on Christ has the witness of God in him, what they witness must agree with all scriptures or else they become a liar. also Nothing the scriptures say is supposed to be subjected to any private interpretation. you know how the bible says you shall know them by their fruits, what that means is mans words will show who they are, a man can either be a good tree or a corrupt tree. A good tree cannot bring forth corrupt fruit and a corrupt tree cannot bring forth good fruit.