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Aidan1

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The Twelve, men off renown, were given to Yeshua Jesus..Zech 3. Paul is not numbered among the Twelve.

Jesus is not a god of confusion rather, He is the God of order. Teaching directly from Him does not confuse. It seems those who rely on Paul first are definitely confused most of the time, arguing silly points of doctrine outside the Gospel.

I still read Paul, but mty Authority is and always will be Jesus Yeshua. Do not say Paul is th replaacement of Judah, since it is written ans so that the requirement was for the replacement to have been with Jesus Yeshuia before His crucifixion.

Actually, I have always wondered why Paul is not mentioned in prophecy, like the Twelve and John the Baptist, but that is just my wonderment.
Well, what Matthias discern from the other 11 and from Paul is, that he was not personal chocen from God/Christ.
So i would say he is the 12th. But finaly we will see in heaven if this is right. :)
 

JaumeJ

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Mattias is prophesied in the Psalms.
 

JaumeJ

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Read the psalm that deals with the treachery of Judas.
 

Aidan1

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Psalm 109,8. There is no name mentioned.
 

JaumeJ

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Let us reason further. The Apostles, as was the custom, drew lots to replace Judas as it was written. This was the e custom to make a decision based on what God chooses and not men, it was not considered chance or lutk, or a gamble.

The Aposstles did this in order to fulfill what was written. Now Paul is not above those who fulfilled the Word as prophecies.
Paul may have been chosen to go out, I cannot say with all certainty, but I can say this, the only thing I have read about Paul has been from Paul and not prophesy.

I am fine believing what I have been given to understand by the Holy Spirit and the Word, but I am not moved to do so about what many say of Paul, beginning with Paul's teachings on himself.
 

Gideon300

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op: NO other Gospel!

Amen! Precious friend, Hann57. You are Correct! The other gospel Is
Scriptural, But is Different, and those who preach it to us, Are ACCURSED!!:

God's Approval/TWO Different Gospels

(2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 =
Grace/Mystery
fellowship {Romans – Philemon}, For ALL “to SEE,” today?)

Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!
God’s Simple Will!
So you would deny all the New Testament apart from what Paul wrote? That would make Bible study easier, I suppose. How can a false gospel be scriptural? You make no sense to me.
 

Gideon300

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The only gospel for us today is Paul's gospel. Why? Because Christ gave it to him. Paul met Christ and was given abundance of revelations also. Paul was called by God. It is all there for you to read yourself.
Rom_16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
1Co_9:17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.
Eph_6:19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,
1Ti_1:11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
So 3-1/2 years of Jesus preaching and teaching to the disciples is meaningless? The preaching on the day of Pentecost was false? I've heard some idiotic things in my 50 years as a Christian. You are way up near the top of the list.
 

Gideon300

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Christ gave Paul the gospel.
Gal 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Not here to debate your post.
Why did Christ give Paul the gospel in a mystery?
Rom_16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
Kept secret ! since the world began !
Eph_6:19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,
The gospel Paul was given was not the kingdom gospel !
It was kept hid, a mystery, until revealed to Paul by revelation.
Col_1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
Col_1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
You and I are not Israel. Israel was to accept her kingdom through faith, believing the kingdom gospel preached by Jesus Christ and His apostles. Promised to the fathers.
Rom 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
Rom_11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
Rom_11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
Rom_11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
Israel has fallen, when the fullness comes, then the gospel of the kingdom will be preached again. As for now you must obey the gospel given to Paul by Christ.
Utter rubbish. Lord Jesus told His disciples to go into all the world, not camp in Jerusalem until they died. The gospel to the Jews is identical to the gospel to the gentiles.
 

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#32
The gospel to the Jews is identical to the gospel to the gentiles.
Precious friend, apparently we are wrong for "studying prayerfully and carefully"
God's {identical?} Differences Between HIS TWO Different gospels, since you believe
in only one? Please HELP us to see HOW the following are IDENTICAL!:

Grace And Peace, Have you Prayerfully And Carefully Considered!:

Rightly Dividing God's WORD {All Scriptures Are KJB{?}} Of Truth?

"Example" of God’s leaders/numbers / Salvation/commissions in:

His TWO Different Programs:

LORD JESUS, we pray that You Would Help our understanding, as we:

Begin:
(1) Representative apostles + number! For God’s LAW/PROPHETIC Program,
“prophesied since the world began!” (Luke_1:68-70; Acts_3:21!):

God’s Complete Number TWELVE represents:

TWELVE baptismS, TWELVE apostles who will rule in the Prophesied kingdom
With CHRIST!, on TWELVE thrones, Over the TWELVE tribes of Israel!
(Genesis_49:28; Isaiah_9:7, 32:1; Matthew_19:28; Luke_22:30; James_1:1!)

►► Peter [+11], TWELVE preached:

gospel of the kingdom!:

(A) Salvation = "he that believeth AND is baptized Shall Be SAVED!"
(Mark_16:16 cp Luke_7:29-30; Acts_2:38; James_2:17-18!) ◄◄

(B) And Includes The LORD’s FIVE-Part Marching Orders, the
so-called ( added as a Page Header in Bibles ) Great Commission:

(B1):
“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in The Name
Of The Father, and Of The SON, and of The Holy Ghost: Teaching
them to Observe ALL Things Whatsoever I Have Commanded you:
and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen!”
(Matthew_28:19-20!)

Including: “Observe ALL things WHATSOEVER I Have COMMANDED you!”:

“Then Spake JESUS To the multitude, And To HIS disciples,
Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat:
ALL therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that OBSERVE
AND DO; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not!”
(Matthew_23:1-3!)

(B2):
“And HE Said Unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the
gospel to every creature. He that believeth And is baptized shall
be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these
signs Shall Follow them that believe: In MY Name shall they cast out
devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents;

and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they
shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover…. And they went
forth, and preached every where, The LORD Working With them, and
Confirming The Word With signs following. Amen!” (Mark_16:15-20!)

(B3):
“And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in
HIS Name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are
witnesses of these things. And, behold, I Send The Promise of MY
Father Upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be
endued with power From On High!” (Luke_24:47-49!)

(B4):
“Then Said JESUS To them again, Peace Be Unto you: As MY Father
Hath Sent ME, Even So Send I you. And When HE Had Said This, HE
Breathed On them, And Saith Unto them, Receive ye The Holy Ghost:
Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and
whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained!” (John_20:21-23!)

(B5):
“But ye shall receive power, after that The Holy Ghost Is Come Upon you:
and ye shall be witnesses unto ME both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea,
and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth!” (Acts_1:8!)

End of: Salvation / Commission In God's "Law/Prophetic Program!"

From CHRIST To HIS TWELVE, on the earth! { Currently “On HOLD!” }
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Rightly Divided (2_Timothy_2:15!) From “Things That DIFFER!”:
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From CHRIST To HIS one, From Heaven!! { Currently ACTIVE!}

to be continued...
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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#33
You may have a problem but I do not.
I know and understand the Gospel.
Are you able to explain the Gospel to us? I'm not asking that you write it out, but if you like, you can point us to something that conclusively tells us what the Gospel is.
 

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#34
Part 2 of: God's Approval/TWO gospels in Prophecy vs Mystery!

From CHRIST To HIS TWELVE, on the earth! { Currently “On HOLD!” }
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Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:
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From CHRIST To HIS one, From Heaven!! { Currently ACTIVE!}

Begin:
(2) Representative apostle + number / God’s Salvation And Commission In HIS:

Revelation Of The MYSTERY

God’s Heavenly Hidden Purpose Before “the foundation
of the world...Kept Secret since the world began”
(
Romans_16:25; Ephesians_1:4-11, 3:5-9!)

{ Precious friend(s), IF you have Never prayerfully/carefully studied
This Important Doctrine ( Paul’s Distinctive ministry From God! )
before, Please take some time for ”Approval Unto God!,” Please? }:

►►►
"Howbeit for this cause I obtained Mercy, That In me First JESUS CHRIST
Might Shew Forth ALL Longsuffering, For a Pattern to them which should
hereafter believe on HIM to life everlasting!” (1_Timothy_1:16!) ◄◄◄

God's First number, ONE, Represents:

"...One body, and ONE Spirit, even as ye are called in One hope of
your calling; ONE Lord, One faith, ONE Baptism, ONE God and Father..."
(
Ephesians_4:4-6!), "...ONE Mediator..." (1_Timothy_2:5!),
"...ONE New Man..." (
Ephesians_2:15!), And:

Chosen By God:
ONE individual apostle, Paul, Both Roman and Hebrew
(Acts_9:6, 15, 13:2, 20:24, 22:1-15, 21, 25-28, 26:17-18; Philippians_3:5;
Romans_1:1, 11:13, 15:16-18; Galatians_1:15, 2:7-8; Ephesians_3:1;
1_Timothy_1:11, 2:7; 2_Timothy_1:11!), who represents:

Reconciliation, By GRACE (2_Corinthians_5:17-6:2!), of Both Jew And
Gentile, as Individuals, Into “ONE New Man!” (Ephesians_2:15-16!)

SPIRITUALLY Baptized ( And Spiritually United as
members of one another! ), BY: ONE Baptism!
(1_Corinthians_12:13 cp Ephesians_4:5, 5:30!), Into:

ONE Body, In HEAVEN!...

... [ By The DEADLY, But Amazingly Wonderful CROSS! ] Of CHRIST,
The Risen And Glorified SAVIOUR, The Only HEAD Of HIS Church!!
(1_Timothy_3:16; Ephesians_1:22, 5:23; Colossians_1:18!)
Praise HIS Precious NAME! Amen?

The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God!:

(A)
“For I [ Paul! ] delivered unto you first of all That Which I also received,
How That CHRIST Died For our sins According To The Scriptures;
And That HE Was Buried, And That HE Rose Again the third day
According To The Scriptures!” (1_Corinthians_15:3-4!)
+
"For By GRACE are ye SAVED Through faith; and that not of yourselves:
It Is The Gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast!"
( Ephesians_2:8-9! cp Most of Romans through Philemon! # )

{ GRACE {UNmerited Favor!} Found 85 Times! }

(B) And, The MYSTERY Includes The LORD’s Greater GRACE Commission! =

Ministry of RECONCILIATION!

"And all things are of God, Who Hath Reconciled us To Himself By
JESUS CHRIST, And Hath Given To us the ministry of reconciliation;
to wit, That God Was In CHRIST, Reconciling the world Unto Himself,
Not Imputing their trespasses unto them; And Hath Committed Unto us

The Word Of Reconciliation!

Now then we are ambassadors for CHRIST, as though God Did Beseech
you by us: we pray you in CHRIST’s Stead, be ye reconciled to God! For
HE Hath Made HIM To Be sin For us, WHO Knew no sin; that we might Be

Made The Righteousness Of God In HIM!

We then, as workers together with HIM, beseech you also that ye receive
not The GRACE Of God in vain! (For HE Saith, I Have Heard thee in a time
accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured [helped] thee: behold,
now is the accepted time; behold, NOW IS THE DAY OF SALVATION!!)”
(2_Corinthians_5:18-6:2!) Today, simply believe The Gospel Of GRACE! {(A) above!}

(C)
The Body Of CHRIST, with "...faith that worketh by love...Fulfills All The law In That
ONE WORD: LOVE
thy neighbor as thyself!" (Galatians_5:6, 14; Romans_13:8-10!)

End: God’s Salvation And Commission In HIS Revelation Of The MYSTERY!

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Concluding questions for thought(s) of Precious friend(s):

(1) IF, as some believe, the Great commission is For us, today, should we
not Also obey All That CHRIST “Commanded within That commission"?
{if necessary, please review Prophecy/LAW above, ok?}

Precious friend @Gideon300 - identical, Correct?:

(2) IF, as some believe, there is only one gospel, and, that Peter AND Paul Both
preached The Exact SAME thing
, then why would God "Reveal A Secret," that
"He Had Already revealed {ie: The Exact SAME thing}"? Does that make sense,
Precious friend(s)?

For a few Similarities and Many Distinctions please go here!

"...The Mystery [Secret] of CHRIST, Which in other ages was Not made known unto the
sons of men, as it is Now Revealed Unto his holy apostles and prophets By the Spirit;”
(Ephesians_3:4-5}

Again, HOW is "what was NOT made known," IDENTICAL to what was?

See Bible "study" Rules - here is #2:

“Study to shew thyself Approved unto God, a workman that
needeth not to be ashamed, Rightly Dividing The Word Of Truth!”
(2_Timothy_2:15 KJB!!)


Precious friend(s), Please Be Very RICHLY Blessed In
CHRIST, And, in Rightly Dividing HIS Precious WORD Of Truth!
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LORD JESUS, Thank You So Much for Your
GRACE, Peace, Mercy, Love, and Approval!
Amen.
 

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Eph_6:19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,
Exactly, and that Gospel remains an elusive Mystery even to this day.
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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I would say, there is no different!
Seems right to me. Why?

Ephesians 4:5 NLT - "There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism . . ."

We are supposed to have the same faith that Abraham had. Now, if someone can explain why we are to have the same faith as Abraham (before Christ had died on the Cross), then we'll be hitting the bullseye on what the True Gospel is.

Romans 4:12 NLT - "And Abraham is also the spiritual father of those who have been circumcised, but only if they have the same kind of faith Abraham had before he was circumcised."
 

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Exactly, and that Gospel remains an elusive Mystery even to this day.
The gospel may remain a mystery to those who do not have eyes to see or ears to hear, but the “mystery“ is clearly revealed in scripture to all who believe that Jesus lives today. Faith = access to God’s grace = salvation.
 

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The gospel may remain a mystery to those who do not have eyes to see or ears to hear, but the “mystery“ is clearly revealed in scripture to all who believe that Jesus lives today. Faith = access to God’s grace = salvation.
Well said.

John 9:39 NLT - "Then Jesus told him, "I entered this world to render judgment--to give sight to the blind and to show those who think they see that they are blind."

And this is the problem . . . people "feeling" and believing that they understand when in fact they may not. Hence, the "Remnant."
 

Aidan1

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Let us reason further. The Apostles, as was the custom, drew lots to replace Judas as it was written. This was the e custom to make a decision based on what God chooses and not men, it was not considered chance or lutk, or a gamble.

The Aposstles did this in order to fulfill what was written. Now Paul is not above those who fulfilled the Word as prophecies.
Paul may have been chosen to go out, I cannot say with all certainty, but I can say this, the only thing I have read about Paul has been from Paul and not prophesy.

I am fine believing what I have been given to understand by the Holy Spirit and the Word, but I am not moved to do so about what many say of Paul, beginning with Paul's teachings on himself.
As I said, we will finaly know in heaven.
For me is important to know that Paul preached the same gospel as Jesus did and gave this order in the great commitment.
So it makes no different. The subject of faith is what Jesus is and did for us.
 

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Paul referred to the Gospel as a Mystery. If we would take note of this and begin to investigate why it was (and still is) a Mystery, then we will come to know what it is.

Can anyone explain [why] the Gospel is a Mystery? Or, shall we spend the rest of our days simply describing something that we cannot explain? Every answer is within the Bible, but if we're to have these answers, we're going to need to have a thorough understanding of the Old Testament. And that's a problem, for few "christians" have actually read the Tanakh, let alone read it in a timeline, chronological order, let alone understand it (even if they were to read it in a storyline fashion).

We must be Enabled to understand the Word of God, and when we are, the Bible becomes extremely simple to grasp, for it simply repeats itself over and over in its Core Doctrine . . . which is Circumcision of Heart. Therefore, when a person thoroughly investigates and Understands Circumcision of Heart, the entire Bible will unfold itself before their eyes (and within their regenerated, reborn, incorruptible Heart).