No trust in Creation...no trust in Genesis....no trust in Scriptures...

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Is creation a "salvation issue"

  • Yes it's vital to mans need for salvation

    Votes: 14 53.8%
  • No creation is unconnected to salvation

    Votes: 10 38.5%
  • Never considered any connection

    Votes: 2 7.7%

  • Total voters
    26
  • Poll closed .

Billyd

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The Creation included in the Bible to show us the history of sin, how it entered man, and God's attempts to teach man the results of sin. Anyone can receive Salvation without a single reference to the Creation story. Until he receives Salvation, he probably will not understand what it is or means.
 
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StoneThrower

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Why shouldn't the concept of theistic evolution apply as a way to reconcile well-founded science with religious material? I don't know of any explicit scriptural prohibitions concerning evolution if Genesis is taken allegorically as opposed to literally. Inconsistencies in terms of the appropriate interpretation of a given biblical event can be resolved simply by citing discernment.
We don’t read the Bible allegorically unless your Roman Catholic, as it allows you to twist scripture like a pretzel, to make it say anything you want it to. Its also an attack on the inerrancy and infallibility of scripture.

You need to read it the way the author intended, it’s called authorial intent.
Goodbye Yellow Brick Road by Elton John (look it up on Utube, its before your time) wasn’t about Dorothy and Toto, it was about the gold standard going away, at one time or money was backed by gold and not just printed at whim whenever we needed more.
The same with Elton John’s Philadelphia Freedom was about Billy Jean King it’s not patriotic, you can sing along in ignorance and think it means something it doesn’t but that doesn’t change the song writers meaning when he wrote it about his gay friend. The same with scripture that’s why we teach Hermeneutics so people can read the Bible intelligently and the way it was intended using a grammatical historical hermeneutic that way when you come to poetry you read it as such or parables or historical narrative.

Brandon House said "The folly of Theistic Evolution preachers is that in following such heretical teaching, the adherents are preaching against the authority of the Bible. Either the Bible is the Word of God or it is not. The Bible is clear in the Genesis account of creation that God created the heavens and the earth. "In the beginning God created" is an absolute proclamation of who it was that created all (Gen 1:1). This is an account given that makes a dogmatic point that God created everything in six days. The Bible says that God formed Adam from the dust of the earth and Eve from Adam's rib. God breathed life into them after forming man in the image of God (Gen 1:26). God did not form man as primordial slime and set it on a course to develop into man. God made man and all the animals in six days, not 4 billion years. To say otherwise is to say that the Genesis account is not accurate. What many of these Theistic Evolutionists say is that we can't take the creation account literally. If that is true that why should we take the Biblical account of the resurrection literally?"
 

superdave5221

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The Creation included in the Bible to show us the history of sin, how it entered man, and God's attempts to teach man the results of sin. Anyone can receive Salvation without a single reference to the Creation story. Until he receives Salvation, he probably will not understand what it is or means.
I used to wonder why Communists and Socialists (wanna be Communists) believed the way that they do. Why do they believe that man is the answer? Many of them are very intelligent and educated, and many even seem to have good intentions. It wasn't until rereading Genesis that the answer came to me.

Genesis teaches that man is a fallen creature, who cannot save himself. Therefore, governments are instituted with divine restraints because man left to himself would always fail and lead to evil. The history of the world has indicated this time and time again.

Communism teaches evolution. Man has evolved from ape like creatures over billions of years, this has carried over to social institutions and government, which also evolve. It follows from this that eventually man will perfect himself, become a god, and all problems will be solved by man. No need for God. How is that working out?

You see, evolution starts from the present, and works back into time, based on an uniformitarian view that we can tell the past by observing the present. The bible, on the other hands starts in the beginning, WITH GOD creating the heavens and the earth, and moving to the present.

The difference is what decides what worldview we see life from. Either we see life through the worldview of God and His plan of redemption, or we see man as perfecting himself and not needing a Savior.

God has revealed to us those things that are necessary for a proper worldview, and we reject, or pervert any of His word at our own peril.
 
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StoneThrower

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Charles Darwin has never stated that no physical evidence exists to corroborate the theory of evolution by natural selection, and held true to his belief in evolution until his death. There was no documented changing of heart.
He also said "False facts are highly injurious to the progress of science, for they often endure long; but false views, if supported by some evidence, do little harm, for every one takes a salutary pleasure in proving their falseness."

(evolution is a belief system its not science as its not reproducable and observable)

To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest possible degree.”

“Why, if species have descended from other species by insensibly fine gradations, do we not everywhere see innumerable transitional forms.”

The several difficulties here discussed, namely our not finding in the successive formations infinitely numerous transitional links between the many species which now exist or have existed; the sudden manner in which whole groups of species appear in our European formations; the almost entire absence, as at present known, of fossiliferous formations beneath the Silurian strata, are all undoubtedly of the gravest nature.”
Charles Darwin


He was also a raciest who believed in eugenics whos book title was Orgin of spieces my means of natural selection or Preservation of favored races in the struggle of life.
 
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StoneThrower

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If that's the case, you'll have to direct me to the link, because I haven't been able to find anything in roughly 5 minutes of searching through various keywords and phrases.
: knowledge about or study of the natural world based on facts learned through experiments and observation
: a particular area of scientific study (such as biology, physics, or chemistry) : a particular branch of science


[h=2]scientific method[/h]noun
[h=2]Definition of SCIENTIFIC METHOD[/h]: principles and procedures for the systematic pursuit of knowledge involving the recognition and formulation of a problem, the collection of data through observation and experiment, and the formulation and testing of hypotheses
Scientific method - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
 
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StoneThrower

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#86
150 years latter the evidence still dosent exsist!
 
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StoneThrower

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#87
that no evidence exists to support his theory, but rather that the limited information available at the time wasn't adequate to prove the finer points of his theory.
150 years latter the evidence still dosent exsist!
 
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2Thewaters

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in the last 75 years scientific discoveries have shown that it is impossible for life to be created by itself.

proteins have two flavor amino acids
right and left

and in chemistry when an amino acid is created you always get equal right and left
yet of all the billion s and billions of proteins in our body there is NEVER A RIGHT AMINO ACID!
it would poison and kill the protein...

spontaneous generation of proteins in solution is totally impossible they had to be created all left to begin with with LEFT AMINO ACID PRODUCING ENZYMES

for that is the only way to make them
and there are 13,000 DIFFERENT ONES averaging 5000 units each


random cration of this is more impossible than a lightning strike in a junk yard creating the internet will all the current computers on the planet simultaneously all pre programmed.

it did not happen.
period
 
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StoneThrower

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#89
Lmao

Evolution is rooted in pantheism. Fact. It was loved by Adolf Hitler, Pol Pot, Karl Marx, Joseph Stalin. Used as the foundation for their genocide. Its origins, around 3000 years ago. Its not new, and its not scientific. Its humanist doctrine, and requires faith to believe.

Mr Charles Darwin's book:

"The origin of the species: the preservation of "FAVOURED RACES" in the struggle for life". Look it up.

"No rational man believes the negro is the equal, no less the superior of the white man"- Thomas Huxley- Charles Darwin's personal spokesman. Look it up.

"At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes... will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as baboon, instead of as now between the negro or Australian and the gorilla."- Mr Charles Darwin.
Dont Forget Margaret Higgins Sanger (September 14, 1879 – September 6, 1966) was an American birth control activist, in conjunction with her powerful advocacy of the early 20th century eugenics movement in America sex educator, and nurse. Sanger popularized the term birth control, opened the first birth control clinic in the United States, and established organizations that evolved into the Planned Parenthood Federation of America.
 
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I don't know how many times I have been told that someone doesn't believe in God, because science has proved evolution to be true. QUOTE]

I wonder what they say about the lies still in textbooks that were exposed, are are still being printed like:
Haeckel's Embryo Chart
Vestigial Organs
Horses Had Four Toes
Peppered Moth
human DNA 2% differnt than chimps





 
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StoneThrower

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#91
I used to wonder why Communists and Socialists (wanna be Communists) believed the way that they do. Why do they believe that man is the answer?
If man is created than there has to be a creator, who has rights to him, and certain expectations of him.
If man is just an animal than he is free to do as he pleases. Man would rather pretend God dosent exsist than submitt to Him.
 

superdave5221

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If man is created than there has to be a creator, who has rights to him, and certain expectations of him.
If man is just an animal than he is free to do as he pleases. Man would rather pretend God dosent exsist than submitt to Him.
Amen brother,

That is why people like Richard Dawkins fight against Christianity so much. Romans 1:20 says that all people in their hearts know that there is a God. Romans 1:18 says that people suppress the truth in unrighteousness. The so called atheists know that there is a God, but they suppress the truth, for otherwise they would be accountable to Him.
 

p_rehbein

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and the Eugenics Movement is alive and well today............they just changed their name........
 
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2Thewaters

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They are stil accountable to him.
 
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wgeurts

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in the last 75 years scientific discoveries have shown that it is impossible for life to be created by itself.


proteins have two flavor amino acids
right and left


and in chemistry when an amino acid is created you always get equal right and left
yet of all the billion s and billions of proteins in our body there is NEVER A RIGHT AMINO ACID!
it would poison and kill the protein...


spontaneous generation of proteins in solution is totally impossible they had to be created all left to begin with with LEFT AMINO ACID PRODUCING ENZYMES


for that is the only way to make them
and there are 13,000 DIFFERENT ONES averaging 5000 units each




random cration of this is more impossible than a lightning strike in a junk yard creating the internet will all the current computers on the planet simultaneously all pre programmed.


it did not happen.
period

Just want to point out I am NOT an Atheist.
However this is not quite getting to the point of anti-creationism or evolution, and I have 2 comments to it.


1. So yeah we have a tiny chance that it could happen, but still a chance exsists. Argue all you like it is there, fact period.


2. Evolution doesnt give a damn where the cell came from or what organism was first, Evolution is about how it developed NOT how it got here on Earth. Hereby your argument against Evolution is Invalid and so is your "fact period" that it is impossible that creationism to be false. Fact period


sorry someones gotta think like an Atheist here.

(3rd point, Lets say evolution and alls false then what proof do you have that god not allah made us?)
 
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KohenMatt

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I've never cared much for the Creation vs. Evolution debate, so I haven't spent much time studying it. But Biblically, salvation isn't linked to one's belief regarding creation. The Bible doesn't present itself as a scientific authority on the matter, so we need to be careful in tying it to salvation, which IS an authority.
 
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wgeurts

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As for Theistic Evolution it could be possible, just I dont believe it because of lack of hard evidence (Mind you there is evidence for evoltion).
Ita just another way of viewing Genesis, 2 views: Creationism and Theistic Evolution.

God knows all so yeah, if he he wants to create all beings he can and will do that as he can do all. But he could also have placed an organism or cell knowing that it would evolve into what his end goal was; us and all creatures. He knows all so he could do this, why? Because it would add a beautiful mechanic to the world which meant that more wonderul types of animals would appear.
This wouldnt make as animals, God says we are special and are made in his image so we are end off evolution or not.

There is no God vs Evolution, God doea what he wants even if thats Evolution and we cannot say he didnt do it by evolution or that he cant or its wrong, who are we to say whats wrong or what he can do as he is Lord.
 
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if it had, not been spoken, or wrote , or read out of a book. then how, did you learn, and how did you learn, new things. as you, were all born babies. ie parent, school teachers, uni teachers.etc help as far as there, understand went.
strange thing, the mind (IQ). even if they pointed, to the bible(taught you to believe , in god to keep it short)
its still a one way ticket, out of the world(death) would, that would mean, a personal relationship needed (to prove, your faith, by walking, and listening, to god, if you believe, in one, that is) even history, has wisdom, wrote in it by the winner, of wars. mostly the winners account . the lesson of cain, is god gets an account from the dead also. and history has taught many other subject, and brought more light, to the understanding, of these subject. who has copy rite to these. (food for thought)
 

KohenMatt

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I personally don't care how God created me I'm just thankful He did.

I'm more thankful that He died for me.

Than's FAR more important.
 
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wgeurts

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Same, we know humanity messed up but god died for us so who cares? We are fallen but dont morn over the past, look to the future and see Jesus and thank him and praise him insteading of going nuts about "did we or did we not come from the anscetora of apes"