nomatter what u Believe me or not

[soberxp]

You can read the Shepherd of Hermas. There are also girls and a woman in his visions.

The Shepherd of Hermas (Lightfoot translation)

I have read,good work .

 

[soberxp]

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Simon Peter asked him, "Lord, where are you going?" Jesus replied, "Where I am going, you cannot follow now, but you will follow later."[/TD]
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[Ariel82]

I would be wary. Satan is refered to as "Dragon" in Revelation 12.

 

[Ariel82]

I have read,good work .

Could you summarize it then?

 

[soberxp]

Could you summarize it then?

[FONT=微软雅黑]Through Jesus Christ[/FONT] ，[FONT=微软雅黑]We can overcome sin ，nomatter what , [FONT=微软雅黑]Something that desires good things but cannot be obtained,

summarize with one word " peace ."

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[soberxp]

I would be wary. Satan is refered to as "Dragon" in Revelation 12.

isn't god is the king of king ? [FONT=微软雅黑]In Chinese culture[/FONT],[FONT=微软雅黑]Our dragon representative[/FONT] king .others would says it [FONT=微软雅黑]representative[/FONT] father ?


peace in heart

 

[soberxp]

btw,the word "women" in chinese sounds same as " us "

"eve" in chinese sounds same as "love [FONT=微软雅黑]children[/FONT]"

 

[garee]

hello everybody i'm chinese live in china ,from Xi'an (capital of [FONT=微软雅黑]Shaanxi Province); Sian[/FONT]

I don't want to be banned from this forum​

​

so Let me start thinking about my thoughts ,This began on October 10th 2008,The greatest moments of life，I really saw Jesus ，just as a priest who once told me :"u never know how big is him." now, i understand :"he is so big , i never know before,his love is so big. " And I learned about mysteries I never knew before。Almighty god。​

I felt depressed that day and walked onto the balcony, which was cloudy morning, overcast and looks dark。I saw clouds like Chinese dragon, moving its body and watching me as said :" you little guy " when it's moving the sun is the one eye.Stare at me. time is AM 12:00​

（I admit that sometimes I read Bible sometimes,I thought reading Bible Learning truth or philosophy,before October 10th 2008,But I don't have a clear idea of God in my mind,Just think Jesus is the greatest man in the world，Because of a movie.The Passion of the Christ，An English teacher introduced to me ,and he told me :"u must read the book" ,but he didn't give a bible to me,LOL.maybe i'm chinese can't read very well english book kjv. just kidding. I think he love this book, so he only have one in china ,never mind , He's an American from Texas.I don't think he knows where to buy in China at that time 1999 or 2000,Can't remember specific years​

We must be careful on how we can hear God notseen.And not as a evil generation (natural unconverted man) that must walk bysight ,having no faith a the light needed to follow after the Spirit of Christ,the Holy Spirit of God.

I would offer that we walk or understand the unseen eternalthings of God by faith as the same spirit of faith……. according as it iswritten. God is no longer for over two thousand years brining any new revelations as His interpretation. This is ever since the last word was recorded in the book of prophecy, the Bible found in Revelation, the last chapter of the Bible. This is after any manner to include what some call an outof body experience, as a vision or called near death or returning from the dead.

It is simply the father of lies brining lying wonders into our fleshly minds. The kind where God sends a strong delusion to those who will go above that which is written.

If a person does experience it must be a lying sign andwonder coming from the god of this world the father of lies. Just as we arewarned… intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up byhis fleshly mind.

The Son of man Jesus in Mathew 4 received such visions but wouldnot commit faith, over and over three times, and each time he would simply sayas it is written. It made the devil flee.

Personal experience is not the validator of spiritual unseen things of God .God’s word as it is written alone is that authority

Colossians2:18Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntaryhumility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hathnot seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind

 

[LPT]

Extend your hands, spread out and keep hands together, The shape of palm texture is the shape of uterus，So we were created by God.

What do you make of that and why the reason.

 

[garee]

isn't god is the king of king ? [FONT=微软雅黑]In Chinese culture[/FONT],[FONT=微软雅黑]Our dragon representative[/FONT] king .others would says it [FONT=微软雅黑]representative[/FONT] father ?


peace in heart

In Christian culture dragon or serpent represents the god of this world The father of lies . Eternal God remains without mother or father beginning of Spirit life or end thereof . God is not a creature. He is Spirit, not a man as us

 

[LPT]

I ask because it was the discarded lining that was used for the vessel IMO...

 

[soberxp]

In Christian culture dragon or serpent represents the god of this world The father of lies . Eternal God remains without mother or father beginning of Spirit life or end thereof . God is not a creature. He is Spirit, not a man as us

rember what jesus said :"for i come not for peace ............." that really someting kinda like this ..............I already knew what you would told me , cuz i have seen many . [FONT=微软雅黑]If you want to impose faith on culture ，that's your option .......I don't want to prove the chinese dragon is the serpent or something like this . to be honest ,[FONT=微软雅黑]serpent[/FONT] is [FONT=微软雅黑]serpent [/FONT], [FONT=微软雅黑]western dragon is [FONT=微软雅黑]western dragon [/FONT], [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=微软雅黑]chinese dragon is [/FONT][FONT=微软雅黑]chinese dragon , that's three things ,so called "do not lie,[FONT=微软雅黑]If you're honest[/FONT] "[/FONT]

 

[LPT]

There's a ol Chinese proverb, fall down seven times stand up eight,

a person can find this as well in the bible

Proverbs 24:16
For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief

 

[soberxp]

What do you make of that and why the reason.

did you try this ? and understand what i said .?!
I would say ,even after our birth, we still live in [FONT=微软雅黑] "uterus" , what we have done ,all by hands as we still [FONT=微软雅黑]growing in "[FONT=微软雅黑]uterus[/FONT]"[/FONT], you call that "[FONT=微软雅黑]born[/FONT] again" "reborn" ,can you get what i mean ? [FONT=微软雅黑]We've been designed so cleverly by God[/FONT][/FONT]

 

[soberxp]

We must be careful on how we can hear God notseen.And not as a evil generation (natural unconverted man) that must walk bysight ,having no faith a the light needed to follow after the Spirit of Christ,the Holy Spirit of God.

I would offer that we walk or understand the unseen eternalthings of God by faith as the same spirit of faith……. according as it iswritten. God is no longer for over two thousand years brining any new revelations as His interpretation. This is ever since the last word was recorded in the book of prophecy, the Bible found in Revelation, the last chapter of the Bible. This is after any manner to include what some call an outof body experience, as a vision or called near death or returning from the dead.

It is simply the father of lies brining lying wonders into our fleshly minds. The kind where God sends a strong delusion to those who will go above that which is written.

If a person does experience it must be a lying sign andwonder coming from the god of this world the father of lies. Just as we arewarned… intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up byhis fleshly mind.

The Son of man Jesus in Mathew 4 received such visions but wouldnot commit faith, over and over three times, and each time he would simply sayas it is written. It made the devil flee.

Personal experience is not the validator of spiritual unseen things of God .God’s word as it is written alone is that authority

Colossians2:18Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntaryhumility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hathnot seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind

fleshly mind？why not ,cuz i just have a fleshly mind . [FONT=微软雅黑]illusion[/FONT] ? [FONT=微软雅黑]non-existent , it's my real life . not because what i want and what i [FONT=微软雅黑]Dream [/FONT], i just want to share the good news about second coming of jesus , and it's [FONT=微软雅黑]wrote [/FONT]in the bible Mark
13:26
"At that time men will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory.[/FONT]
where is the new [FONT=微软雅黑]chapter come from ? that's your [FONT=微软雅黑]illusion[/FONT] .maybe someting not peace in your heart/mind ,honest .

peace , ok ?[/FONT]

 

[garee]

rember what jesus said :"for i come not for peace ............." that really someting kinda like this ..............I already knew what you would told me , cuz i have seen many . [FONT=微软雅黑]If you want to impose faith on culture ，that's your option .......I don't want to prove the chinese dragon is the serpent or something like this . to be honest ,[FONT=微软雅黑]serpent[/FONT] is [FONT=微软雅黑]serpent [/FONT], [FONT=微软雅黑]western dragon is [FONT=微软雅黑]western dragon [/FONT], [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=微软雅黑]chinese dragon is [/FONT][FONT=微软雅黑]chinese dragon , that's three things ,so called "do not lie,[FONT=微软雅黑]If you're honest[/FONT] "[/FONT]

Actually two.

One supports the oral traditions of men as the things of men.... the other the law of faith as the things of God... no theories as oral traditions of men .Its the oral traditions of men that attempt to make the law of faith and take away the authority of all things written in the law and prophets (sola scriptura) One source of faith as it is written .Traditions of men from many cultures can be fun.

Mark7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through yourtradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

 

[joefizz]

hello everybody i'm chinese live in china ,from Xi'an (capital of [FONT=微软雅黑]Shaanxi Province); Sian[/FONT]

I don't want to be banned from this forum

so Let me start thinking about my thoughts ,This began on October 10th 2008,The greatest moments of life，I really saw Jesus ，just as a priest who once told me :"u never know how big is him." now, i understand :"he is so big , i never know before,his love is so big. " And I learned about mysteries I never knew before。Almighty god。
I felt depressed that day and walked onto the balcony, which was cloudy morning, overcast and looks dark。I saw clouds like Chinese dragon, moving its body and watching me as said :" you little guy " when it's moving the sun is the one eye.Stare at me. time is AM 12:00
（I admit that sometimes I read Bible sometimes,I thought reading Bible Learning truth or philosophy,before October 10th 2008,But I don't have a clear idea of God in my mind,Just think Jesus is the greatest man in the world，Because of a movie.The Passion of the Christ，An English teacher introduced to me ,and he told me :"u must read the book" ,but he didn't give a bible to me,LOL.maybe i'm chinese can't read very well english book kjv. just kidding. I think he love this book, so he only have one in china ,never mind , He's an American from Texas.I don't think he knows where to buy in China at that time 1999 or 2000,Can't remember specific years）

Let's get back to the point，I want to describe my experiences as much as possible. i was not too amazing when I watching the sun the eye or the clouds or the Chinese dragon , i'm a Gifted artist when i'm 6 years old ，my father is Art teacher also a carpenter，my mom is english teacher,but i'm still not good at english . People often says what clouds might looks like , but i know what i saw,i'm Gifted artist,it's not just looks like,i know which is which.

Then clouds came back to normal,I walked back to my room calmly,and thought "Shall I go out again? " I started wondering what I saw just curiosity。I go back to the balcony .and watch the sky and cloud , He showed up again in the form of Chinese dragon. I started thinking about taking pictures of my Motorola phone。Just as I was ready to take pictures,I saw him who beginning to feel angry,the color turned to red blood, I said clouds turned blood, then disappeared immediately , disappeared .I was scared, feeling as i just killled him.

looking into the sky,heavy clouds and low down to surface ,lights looks dark，Suddenly clouds opened a hole in the sky .Bigger and bigger ，Perfect circle ，could see the sky very blue....There is a cloud of point at the center ，Bigger and bigger ,A huge white cross/crucifix appeared before me,
Then Jesus appeared before the cross; his gorgeous clothes were nothing like this world，but i didn't see the face ,the face is blue sky , Posture is like Jesus Brazilian at Brazil，I'd rather repeat it again，his gorgeous clothes were nothing like this world，Clothes hung over the feet,Sleeve design is perfect，Hairstyles are consistent with what we think 。saints slowly appeared on his left side of Jesus ，Smaller than Jesus，Angel and two wings ,The number is about 12 to 30 ，Confused with men or women , feels like one flesh.
（Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother,and shall cleave unto his wife:and they shall be one flesh.）

other vision ,I saw in the sky, Pyramid，Greek Athena ，old chinese firearms，etc。。。。。 It's all shows with the form of clouds as movie，I don't think it means anything. I think it's just describing long history.

I saw a Naked girl ,Slowly emerge in front of me，Greek hairstyle，Very beautiful，She has a beautiful [fine] profile.; She is fine in profile. the view of profile,hard to tell. I saw her slowly swelling stomach，Don't know why I was slightly uncontrollable kneeling down .

when all these finished,Time has reached to 3-5 p.m.I just feel a few minutes 。

I can't givr u a pic or video to Prove these， I even want to make a CG by myself to say :"look, i have proof ",but broken PC i got. maybe it's the law NO.1""

nomatter what u Believe me or not , I'm in peace， the prower of god.

What you are describing is your "knowledge" being reflected back to you while satan the Dragon otherwise known as old serpent,giving you "what you want" for naturally being an artist satan is playing on your "talent" and hoping you to think him "some great entity".
I'm no dream interpreter but what you have described is so "mismatched" that it's certainly not of God nor Jesus for a few obvious reasons...
1.God/Jesus would not "hide" from you or anyone nor get "angry" without stating a "reason"
2.The visions or manifestations were so "vague" in reason or timing yet portrayed as if you could reach out and touch them considering the great detail you have shared
I don't doubt this actually occured but I do doubt that this was done by God/Jesus unto you.

 

[soberxp]

What you are describing is your "knowledge" being reflected back to you while satan the Dragon otherwise known as old serpent,giving you "what you want" for naturally being an artist satan is playing on your "talent" and hoping you to think him "some great entity".
I'm no dream interpreter but what you have described is so "mismatched" that it's certainly not of God nor Jesus for a few obvious reasons...
1.God/Jesus would not "hide" from you or anyone nor get "angry" without stating a "reason"
2.The visions or manifestations were so "vague" in reason or timing yet portrayed as if you could reach out and touch them considering the great detail you have shared
I don't doubt this actually occured but I do doubt that this was done by God/Jesus unto you.

satan the Dragon is [FONT=微软雅黑]western[/FONT] Dragon ,[FONT=微软雅黑]traditionally[/FONT]. don't get that wrong .
I said very clear ,[FONT=微软雅黑]You just ignored details[/FONT], [FONT=微软雅黑]Ten Commandments[/FONT] ,what 's the NO 1 law ? why god can not anger at me and love me at the same time if I do in other [FONT=微软雅黑]idols[/FONT]? such as a pic of god ,or a pic of jesus but I don't really know what's word of god ?

2 Corinthians 11:14 :

And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light
(the chinese Dragon did not show himself as an angel of light，but himself as the chinese Dragon )
Mark
13:26
"At that time men will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory.

 

[joefizz]

satan the Dragon is [FONT=微软雅黑]western[/FONT] Dragon ,[FONT=微软雅黑]traditionally[/FONT]. don't get that wrong .
I said very clear ,[FONT=微软雅黑]You just ignored details[/FONT], [FONT=微软雅黑]Ten Commandments[/FONT] ,what 's the NO 1 law ? why god can not anger at me and love me at the same time if I do in other [FONT=微软雅黑]idols[/FONT]? such as a pic of god ,or a pic of jesus but I don't really know what's word of god ?

2 Corinthians 11:14 :

And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light
(the chinese Dragon did not show himself as an angel of light，but himself as the chinese Dragon )
Mark
13:26
"At that time men will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory.

I understand what you mean and you obviously grasp the bible enough to understand that satan is "deceptive" and of course I understand your "respect" for the "chinese dragon" and as I said I don't "discredit" what you saw,but see satan doesn't appear as "one form" such as masquerading as an angel of light.
He has been known to manifest as a serpent,dragon,(doesn't matter which dragon,dragon in general) or particularly as he would "want" a particular person to "see him" as in your case due to your culture background it would be no surprise for him to "take advantage" of said culture and he doesn't have to "appear himself".
He has cast out angels,demons otherwise known as familiar spirits to "study everyone".
The reason they are called "familiar spirits" is because from the time that each one of us is born they "study us" in order to effectively "deceive us".
For example my background is American therefore it would be no surprise for satan or his demons/familiar spirits to seek to "deceive me" by appearing to me as a symbol,statue,person,or entity,that I "respect" for example the "American flag" he could have me see the American flag speaking to me or manifested to "get my attention" and have me "let my guard down".
I believe this is the case with you,in which satan has "manipulated" that which you respect to appear before you as well as that which you "hope for" such as to learn about Jesus more to be shown to you,hoping to "win you over".
In closing I'm merely "disagreeing" with the "purpose" for what you saw,not that it didn't happen,but that's my take on things,I'm not about to try to force you to change your view on this,just giving you "points" to consider.

 

[soberxp]

I understand what you mean and you obviously grasp the bible enough to understand that satan is "deceptive" and of course I understand your "respect" for the "chinese dragon" and as I said I don't "discredit" what you saw,but see satan doesn't appear as "one form" such as masquerading as an angel of light.
He has been known to manifest as a serpent,dragon,(doesn't matter which dragon,dragon in general) or particularly as he would "want" a particular person to "see him" as in your case due to your culture background it would be no surprise for him to "take advantage" of said culture and he doesn't have to "appear himself".
He has cast out angels,demons otherwise known as familiar spirits to "study everyone".
The reason they are called "familiar spirits" is because from the time that each one of us is born they "study us" in order to effectively "deceive us".
For example my background is American therefore it would be no surprise for satan or his demons/familiar spirits to seek to "deceive me" by appearing to me as a symbol,statue,person,or entity,that I "respect" for example the "American flag" he could have me see the American flag speaking to me or manifested to "get my attention" and have me "let my guard down".
I believe this is the case with you,in which satan has "manipulated" that which you respect to appear before you as well as that which you "hope for" such as to learn about Jesus more to be shown to you,hoping to "win you over".
In closing I'm merely "disagreeing" with the "purpose" for what you saw,not that it didn't happen,but that's my take on things,I'm not about to try to force you to change your view on this,just giving you "points" to consider.

[FONT=微软雅黑]We can debate[/FONT] ,as paul said. do u agree with me .
[FONT=微软雅黑]Like you said, satan became very smart than us ,and learning very well at bible ,so can i call him a [FONT=微软雅黑]Christian[/FONT] ,LOL. I do not hate satan, if he really as what you [FONT=微软雅黑]figure out , [/FONT][/FONT]looks cute.jesus told us love your enemy ,if i have such a cute enemy, show himself as jesus , so I wonder , [FONT=微软雅黑]can i call him a [FONT=微软雅黑]pastor or [FONT=微软雅黑]shepherd or whatever ? [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]