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DesiredHaven

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clarify first (sorry, english isn't very good for this). (and it's critical life and death for many)

(1) can anyone "make" jesus anything ?

jesus is lord of peter, john, paul, stephen, etc etc in the BIBLE, for instance ,

but NOT lord of the disciples that left him just before he asked peter if peter would leave him also.

(2) could those disciples who left jesus "make" jesus their lord later ?

Awh Jeff_56 I didnt know you didnt speak English so well, or that your struggled with it.

That was something good to know because I had no idea
 
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Sirk

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clarify first: (sorry, english isn't very good for this). (and it's critical life and death for many)

(1) can anyone "make" jesus anything ?

jesus is lord of peter, john, paul, stephen, etc etc in the BIBLE, for instance ,

but NOT lord of the disciples that left him just before he asked peter if peter would leave him also.

(2) could those disciples who left jesus "make" jesus their lord later ?
Oh okay so now we are gonna argue the definition of words?
 
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Sirk

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Awh Jeff_56 I didnt know you didnt speak English so well, or that your struggled with it.

That was something good to know because I had no idea
I think he was trying to tell us that he would do his best to make his point in English but that he could do a better job if we spoke Hebrew and Greek.
 
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DesiredHaven

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I think he was trying to tell us that he would do his best to make his point in English but that he could do a better job if we spoke Hebrew and Greek.
Gotcha, so is this sort of that Hebrew/Greek superiority thingy maybe?
 
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Awh Jeff_56 I didnt know you didnt speak English so well, or that your struggled with it.

That was something good to know because I had no idea
i struggle with it, yes --- because it is so poor in many ways; thus the request for clarification.

what the other one posted in english can mean different things not clear from the context, so I will ask him again.
 
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We are guilty of breaking all the law. That's why Jesus came. We got a full pardon. You're still arguing with the judge.
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, (Hebrews 10:26).

Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. (Hebrews 10:39).

For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. (2 Peter 2:20-22).

For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. (Revelation 11:21-22).

Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; (Hebrews 3:12-14).

This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was. (2 Timothy 3:1-9).

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; (2 Peter 2:1, 14-15).

Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people. For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord. Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord at one time delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire. (Jude 1:3-7 NIV).
 
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Oh okay so now we are gonna argue the definition of words?
who is arguing? i don't care what your definition is, i just don't know what your definition or the meaning of what you're saying is, and that's why i asked.

for instance. no one can "make jesus lord" if he doesn't want to be, or even if he wants to be, because no one
ever was able to "make him" be or do anything.

even for those he is lord over, and those he is not lord over --- but they both call him lord. what is the difference ? (remember they find out on judgment day)
 
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It might be. I discerned a measure of condescension in Jeff's post.
that shows that you have even less understanding of english, and of GOD'S WORD, than i do. so ?
 
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Sirk

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clarify first: (sorry, english isn't very good for this). (and it's critical life and death for many)

(1) can anyone "make" jesus anything ?

jesus is lord of peter, john, paul, stephen, etc etc in the BIBLE, for instance ,

but NOT lord of the disciples that left him just before he asked peter if peter would leave him also.

(2) could those disciples who left jesus "make" jesus their lord later ?
Apologies if there is some misunderstanding going on. "Making" Jesus the Lord of your life is choosing to seek and obey Him. To set your sights on being like Him. To love Him above all else. To seek to live your life as though He is living thru you.
 

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So eating dinner was a sin? Did you eat dinner, or is that going into asking too much of your personal life again?
Sorry Jason.
Even you have to admit that this is funny?

If someone said this towards me in a debate.....I'd Rep them.
 
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Gotcha, so is this sort of that Hebrew/Greek superiority thingy maybe?
if you learn hebrew, you will rejoice greatly, yahweh willing, because so much is so clear in hebrew that is not ever seen, ever, in english.

but hebrew (or greek) has nothing to do with the present concerns/questions. just english for now will be fine if it can be clarified without a problem.
 
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Apologies if there is some misunderstanding going on. "Making" Jesus the Lord of your life is choosing to seek and obey Him. To set your sights on being like Him. To love Him above all else. To seek to live your life as though He is living thru you.
thank you, yes, that's 'mostly' good. but glaringly missing --- one thing>> where is the repentance? (if this is implied and/or included, then fine. or even 'understood' to be necessary but not stated also fine.)

thank you again... shalom in Jesus forever !
 
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DesiredHaven

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i struggle with it, yes --- because it is so poor in many ways; thus the request for clarification.

what the other one posted in english can mean different things not clear from the context, so I will ask him again.
Mixed sgnals here, are you a fluent speaker and writer of the English language "outside of" the scriptures?

Maybe I should have asked that.

Or is it that you struggle with English in respects to communications of the scriptures because you prefer Hebrew and Greek to English in some way?

Just being sure, I ask because I noticed you jumped on only one of my two things (not speaking English or struggling with it), you chose the latter but seem to indicate this has nothing to do with your speech but the scriptures moreso.
 
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Sirk

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thank you, yes, that's 'mostly' good. but glaringly missing --- one thing>> where is the repentance? (if this is implied and/or included, then fine. or even 'understood' to be necessary but not stated also fine.)

thank you again... shalom in Jesus forever !
I guess for me repentance goes without saying but you are right. It should be included for clarity so thanks for pointing it out.
 
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if you learn hebrew, you will rejoice greatly, yahweh willing, because so much is so clear in hebrew that is not ever seen, ever, in english.

but hebrew (or greek) has nothing to do with the present concerns/questions. just english for now will be fine if it can be clarified without a problem.
I skimmed a little of a small book on Ancient Hebrew. The whole "picture / word " symbols (with its various meanings) fascinates me greatly. I also looked at a website on "Ancient Hebrew" but did not agree with their interpreation on certain things. This is one language that I would like to study after I do certain studies in the BIble in English.
 
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I skimmed a little of a small book on Ancient Hebrew. The whole "picture / word " symbols (with its various meanings) fascinates me greatly. I also looked at a website on "Ancient Hebrew" but did not agree with their interpreation on certain things.
seek yahweh. by grace and faith in yahshua. let yahweh reveal the truth to you. (honestly, as he says he will) .... i don't know how many of the so-called hebrew websites are helpful, because most of them are possibly "of the world' and the clinical definitions may not line up with Scripture.

i haven't found the picture/word symbols helpful at all so far, except one reference to the symbol of an open outstretched hand (as in palm up) that babies learn - along with the meaning of giving freely AND receiving freely with no self-consciousness and no uncomfortableness.

in hebrew / yahweh's people for instance, there is no word for "charity". the act of giving is not "charity" but is demanded. it is required. it is written - give what is needed if you have it. as the story to illustrate goes, a man desperate for $25 came to a rabbi and asked him for help. he explained the reason for the need (an emergency had come up), and after considering/listening to him, the rabbi gave him the $25.

now again, a man desperate for $50 came to a rabbi and told the rabbi he needed $50 that very day.
the rabbi with no further conversation gave him the $50 then bid him shalom and the man left.

which rabbi did what is righteous (right with yahweh ) ?

the rabbi who gave the $50 did what is righteous (right with yahweh). he did what Scripture says to do.
the rabbi who gave $25 might be okay, but did it from his own emotions/ reasoning and not obedience to yahweh nor righteousness.

this one story (imperfectly repeated, perhaps, but the idea should come across...) will have very mixed reviews on this forum for instance, but only a few will understand. to the "child raised in the way he should go" it is clear. but to those raised not so, it may raise objections, because they are not subject to yahweh ( nor disciples of yahshua) or have not simply learned this yet.(though even baby christians should know it early on, no matter how old they are, from Scripture)
 
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I guess for me repentance goes without saying but you are right. It should be included for clarity so thanks for pointing it out.
shalom. until tomorrow...... (well, then too, but getting sleepy!)
 
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Mixed sgnals here, are you a fluent speaker and writer of the English language "outside of" the scriptures?

Maybe I should have asked that.

Or is it that you struggle with English in respects to communications of the scriptures because you prefer Hebrew and Greek to English in some way?

Just being sure, I ask because I noticed you jumped on only one of my two things (not speaking English or struggling with it), you chose the latter but seem to indicate this has nothing to do with your speech but the scriptures moreso.
'was' fluent speaker and writer, straight "A" (hard schools, not basket weaving) student a long time - scored 100% on tests no one else ever, in twenty years did) ...
grieves me to see "to" written instead of "too" as in to much instead of too much or for "also".
even by 'professionals' - televised/ websites/ etc ..

'was' , because like Paul and others, the 'education' was doggee doodoo compared to the surpassing experience and experiential knowledge of CHRIST JESUS as SAVIOR .

for everyone, not just for me, english language is poor communications of scriptures unless hebrew is understood and in meaning and in life not just in definitions - so much is loss in english without the hebrew understanding
that it would take 2 or 3 years and willingness to understand just to get 'started'...... (and it is worth it!)

(it may take less time, or a lot more time, yahweh knows -- but it is a surprising, simple and delightful revelation and increase in experientially knowing yahweh's life) ((note that "experientially knowing" is in scripture in several places that in english only looks like 'knowing' (head knowledge) )) )
 
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DesiredHaven

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'was' fluent speaker and writer, straight "A" (hard schools, not basket weaving) student a long time - scored 100% on tests no one else ever, in twenty years did) ...
grieves me to see "to" written instead of "too" as in to much instead of too much or for "also".
even by 'professionals' - televised/ websites/ etc ..

'was' , because like Paul and others, the 'education' was doggee doodoo compared to the surpassing experience and experiential knowledge of CHRIST JESUS as SAVIOR .

for everyone, not just for me, english language is poor communications of scriptures unless hebrew is understood and in meaning and in life not just in definitions - so much is loss in english without the hebrew understanding
that it would take 2 or 3 years and willingness to understand just to get 'started'...... (and it is worth it!)

(it may take less time, or a lot more time, yahweh knows -- but it is a surprising, simple and delightful revelation and increase in experientially knowing yahweh's life) ((note that "experientially knowing" is in scripture in several places that in english only looks like 'knowing' (head knowledge) )) )

Peace Jeff_56, Now I dont understand what 'was' means in the bold even after you "becaused it" a little later because even that still doesnt answer the question in respects to being able to speak English, that is what I am trying to find out. I do understand revelations from Jesus Christ are on a different level of experience then education and/or any basic communications in English but that was my question (and still is) because I still do not know if you speak English or not. I am sort of leaning towards this being a no maybe?

And because I do know its hard to ask you a question (perhaps even a non biblically related one) and understand your answer coming back in English often which was why I was asking you this (even sympathetic here) given that you might be struggling with this, especially if English is not your native language. It would also help explain alot too, at least for me.

On the other note I used to have a much closer brother in Christ from some years back who was fluent in the languages but mostly the Hebrew and he was a great help if I was stuck on something or might have wanted a better reading. But I have to be honest, knowing the Hebrew of a thing (even through him) never raptured me into the heavenlies on anything. I consider all of that a little over rated, but thats me. Im not for or against Im just not as impressed I guess.

Its 4 AM gotta hit the sack but just answer me that (without clouding it with other words) concerning your speaking English, do you? Or no?