NOT ALL THINGS HAVE YET BEEN PUT UNDER JESUS' AUTHORITY

[Devolution]

devo.

did you not know that the names JESUS AND JOSHUA ARE THE SAME NAME?

that there is a grievous error is some translations including KJV?



if you understood that Hebrews 4:8 reads:

For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on.

you would have understood that JOSHUA leading the people into The Promised Land was the EARTHLY TYPE pointing forward to JESUS and HIS REST, His Promise of ETERNAL LIFE in the new creation.

you would have understood that "another day later on" referred to Christ's First Coming as Messiah.

you would have wondered why Hebrews says Jesus when you had clearly seen in JOSHUA that the Land promise WAS FULFILLED. and you would have followed up and seen the error.

you would then have understood that The Book of Hebrews, as well as a Book of great blessing for those who believe, is a grave warning to the Hebrews that they NOT REPEAT the sin of their forefathers who died OUTSIDE THE PROMISED LAND DUE TO UNBELIEF.

Hebrews 4:8 is telling THE HEBREWS that the earthly promised land was NOT THEIR REST.

it is warning them not to perish in unbelief.

it is telling them they must believe TODAY.

Joshua's Promised Land was NOT THE PROMISED REST. looking for a future earthly land promise after seeing the Fulfillment in Christ is a travesty and robbery of the true INHERITENCE.

not THE REAL PROMISE WHICH WAS FULFILLED IN CHRIST.

The Promised Land of Joshua 21 was pointing to Jesus.

but since you refuse to read JOSHUA 21 and agree with God that He gave them everything He promised, you would be looking for a future fulfillment of an earthly type, and you would do exactly what you've been doing...skipping RIGHT OVER JESUS CHRIST and His Finished Work, Jesus Christ the fulfillment of all the Promises.

you've run out of things to promise the Hebrews...time to point them, as the writer of Hebrews did, TO JESUS.

Hebrews 4
1Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. 2For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened.a 3 For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said,

“As I swore in my wrath,
‘They shall not enter my rest,’”

although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.” 5And again in this passage he said,

“They shall not enter my rest.”

6Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, 7again he appoints a certain day, “Today,” saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted,

“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”

8 For if Joshua had given them rest, Godb would not have spoken of another day later on. 9So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, 10for whoever has entered God’s rest has also rested from his works as God did from his.

11Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience. 12For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
13And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

Jesus the Great High Priest
14Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. 16Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.


HERE IS THE 'OTHER DAY' GOD SPOKE OF:

Matthew 11:28
Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Isaiah 28:12
to whom he said, "This is the resting place, let the weary rest"; and, "This is the place of repose"--but they would not listen.

I really do not want to talk to you any more. No good ever comes out of this. Whatever i say, i am certain will be abused. But i made an error in misreading your meaning whilst distracted, so i now feel i must answer to make up for my error. I am not happy about this, let alone having to engage you again. But i have principals, and will this once talk directly to you again. May my Lord understand and pardon me for directly engaging you again which i said i would not. But i must make up for my error as is the right thing to do.

Firstly i never said the earthly land was the promised rest on its own. Why are you still doing this? STOP IT.

Secondly you are mixing up rest and THE rest. Instead of giving you a detailed explanation as i usually would, since you never seem to read it anyway...here is proof that you have misunderstood the meaning of rest and THE rest.

Hebrews 4:11> Let us labor therefore to enter into THAT rest, lest any man fall after the same example of disbelief.

Paul already believed correct? When we come to Christ we are given peace in our souls.. a type of rest..but Not THE rest. So Paul too had a type of rest correct? That type of rest Jesus provides when He carries our burdens.
But WHAT REST is Paul speaking of here?
Telling us we must LABOR to enter into Christs rest. THAT rest.

Remember we are told to STRIVE? To CONTINUE in His way?
So with this in mind, how can we be in THE rest when Paul tells us we are NOT YET in THAT rest?? For: we must labor to enter THAT rest. Jesus had already come and gone by this stage !!

Either we are in that rest now, which means YES the millennium would have started already and Hebrews 4:11 is "another mistake" and Paul didn't know what he was talking about ...OR no, we are not yet in that rest which means the millennium has not yet started and Hebrews 4:11 is accurate.
Are we to start altering the bible now to suit doctrines?
I believe the written Word is sufficient. All is as should be. Maybe you should try having a bit more faith in the written Word also. And do some of your own seeking and you would have picked this up yourself. For your teachers have certainly gotten it wrong.

 

[wakeup]

devo's heresy cont....





so, because there are untold numbers who have NOT been translated in THIS WORLD (by entering the Kingdom Now) to Christ's eternal Kingdom (the WORLD TO COME) by faith, the ONLY meaning is: "this worldly kingdom [is] ...not yet under Christ, but... satan"

and you want so badly to prove amillennial theology (more precisely me) wrong, you are willing to do anything, including corrupt the truth of God's Word.

I KNOW, I KNOW!

1 Corinthians 15:27:
For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ



OH.
do we have to go by human logic screaming out from within a dark & sinful mind?
why can't we just believe God's Word?



huh. mkay......and then what?



so....is your God in charge, or not?
is He ruling or not?

that's quite a speech.

all that to try to say Jesus is NOT KING, that He hasn't been given all power and authority, that He doesn't control all things yet, that His Kingdom on earth doesn't LOOK LIKE THE KINGDOM THE REJECTING JEWS EXPECTED, His Kingdom isn't in place now.

and all to say satan is NOT restrained from hindering the going forth of the Gospel.

there's really no limit to what a puffed-up heretic will do to not humble himself and consider his ways.

oh well....whatcha gonna do?




hmmm....finally you are getting to the point of WHY GOD GENERALIZES.

sorry for being DULL OF HEARING DEVO. i'm not smart enough to follow what you are saying since i see nothing of the sort in God's Word (i.e.: that by GENERALIZING He lays snares of false doctrine within it to catch bad guys).

i'll eat more broccoli or something next time before reading your posts.

RECAP:

- The Lord is NOT KING on earth (though He does rule those in His Kingdom ALREADY/NOT YET)

- He's NOT in power and authority but He CAN control EVERYTHING right down to obfuscating and generalizing in His Word in order to catch false teachers.

- devo is among the chosen few (are there 3 Christians in the world?) that has been GRANTED WISDOM...not for studying diligently like all the others, but because devo is TRULY LIVING the way Christ showed us.

- all that would sound really good if devo wasn't teaching DISPENSATIONAL SCOFIELDISM, which is judaized christianity, which is the Leaven of The Pharisees.



wow! so God implanted traps in His Word (false doctrines actually) so that bad people who are pretending to be Christians would find them and be caught by good people who are receiving special revelation by The Holy Spirit.

i really am learning new things today.



so, in spite of what The Apostles said, God DOESN'T WANT US TO HAVE TEACHERS WHO TEACH SOUND DOCTRINE.

He doesn't want us to study under scholars.

He wants us to isolate ourselves with a couple of family members and present Restorationist/Dual Covenant/Dispensational/Christian Zionism Theology as TRUTH, and claim SPECIAL PRIVATE REVELATION.

is that about right?



you don't see it, since you're wise in your own eyes and the truth is hidden from you...but all of the above APPLIES TO YOU.



yes....we've seen in this post that they will do ANYTHING to be right.
they will indeed wax worse and worse.

and their foolish minds will indeed be darkened.



1 Corinthians 15:27
For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.

- it's a shame that you didn't just stick to denying that Christ is the one who fulfilled Daniel 9 (not satan in the future); that He is able to bind the strong man and plunder his house, that He has a Kingdom even now and men are pressing into it daily as they repent and believe.

you're actually a far worse heretic than i feared.

you are dangerous to the Church.

God says to his son;''sit on my right hand --untill--i make all your enemies your
foot stool???? his enemies are not under him yet ,satan must be locked up first.
but at this moment he is given authourity to forgive sins, give mercy,and grace,judge.
and he rules amongst his flock only,
but he has not given a physical kingdom yet,untill
all his enemies are put under him, evil is still rampant at this moment,and getting stronger
thy kingdom come; thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. this will happen
when all his enemies are put under his feet by GOD.satan his greatest enemy.
death it self will be conquered. we are definitely not in his 1000 kingdom at this moment: that would only misrepresent Jesus to the max. that he is doing a sloppy job.
no he will do a pefect job in the 1000yrs kingdom.
how can Jesus reign now?? when GOD says this land is d e s o l a t e: ??????
this is an awful kingdom.

''wakeup''.

 

[wakeup]

you still have humanity rebelling in your 1,000 year future reign. but this time against a visible glorifed Jesus and saints.

sure thing.

oh lord, please open her eyes so she can see. how many times lord; do we need to
explain, before she can open her eyes? is she suffering from dyslexia?
or is she plainly stiff necked?
your doctrine need to be uprooted, from deep down the roots,and start from the
beginning,or it will grow into a thorny tree.
stop twisting our words to suit your twisted doctrine,it s not going to work.
the light always wins. light always remove darkness,but darkness can never remove
light. i pray, GOD will take the blinds away.

''wakeup''.

 

[wakeup]

devo.

did you not know that the names JESUS AND JOSHUA ARE THE SAME NAME?

that there is a grievous error is some translations including KJV?



if you understood that Hebrews 4:8 reads:

For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on.

you would have understood that JOSHUA leading the people into The Promised Land was the EARTHLY TYPE pointing forward to JESUS and HIS REST, His Promise of ETERNAL LIFE in the new creation.

you would have understood that "another day later on" referred to Christ's First Coming as Messiah.

you would have wondered why Hebrews says Jesus when you had clearly seen in JOSHUA that the Land promise WAS FULFILLED. and you would have followed up and seen the error.

you would then have understood that The Book of Hebrews, as well as a Book of great blessing for those who believe, is a grave warning to the Hebrews that they NOT REPEAT the sin of their forefathers who died OUTSIDE THE PROMISED LAND DUE TO UNBELIEF.

Hebrews 4:8 is telling THE HEBREWS that the earthly promised land was NOT THEIR REST.

it is warning them not to perish in unbelief.

it is telling them they must believe TODAY.

Joshua's Promised Land was NOT THE PROMISED REST. looking for a future earthly land promise after seeing the Fulfillment in Christ is a travesty and robbery of the true INHERITENCE.

not THE REAL PROMISE WHICH WAS FULFILLED IN CHRIST.

The Promised Land of Joshua 21 was pointing to Jesus.

but since you refuse to read JOSHUA 21 and agree with God that He gave them everything He promised, you would be looking for a future fulfillment of an earthly type, and you would do exactly what you've been doing...skipping RIGHT OVER JESUS CHRIST and His Finished Work, Jesus Christ the fulfillment of all the Promises.

you've run out of things to promise the Hebrews...time to point them, as the writer of Hebrews did, TO JESUS.

Hebrews 4
1Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. 2For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened.a 3 For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said,

“As I swore in my wrath,
‘They shall not enter my rest,’”

although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.” 5And again in this passage he said,

“They shall not enter my rest.”

6Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, 7again he appoints a certain day, “Today,” saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted,

“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”

8 For if Joshua had given them rest, Godb would not have spoken of another day later on. 9So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, 10for whoever has entered God’s rest has also rested from his works as God did from his.

11Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience. 12For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
13And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

Jesus the Great High Priest
14Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. 16Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.


HERE IS THE 'OTHER DAY' GOD SPOKE OF:

Matthew 11:28
Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Isaiah 28:12
to whom he said, "This is the resting place, let the weary rest"; and, "This is the place of repose"--but they would not listen.

your knowledge is so shellow, cant you uderstand that the rest Jesus is offering
is peace of mind if we are in him? he will take away your problems: he is not speaking
of the 1000yrs rest. he promised moses and his good flock rest also.
where are they? are they here now? show me where they are. is joshua the proph.
amongst us? is aaron here now in this 1000yrs as you call it? did they live 5centuties,or
10 centuries ago? when did they enter this rest as you call it? never, its all error.
but they will be in the kingdom to come; after the coming, not now,definitely not:

''wakeup''.

 

[Necto]

Wakeup Yes, I agree with you!

 

[Necto]

Yes Devolution ! Zone claim to absolute knowledge of all, teaching others. Pointing to other mistakes she is out of them. Her teaching - is heresy. She constantly tells lies, and resort to ploys. One gets the impression that she did not read what write others or she reads it superficially. When others questioned her teachings then she goes to the violent attacks, using slander, sarcasm, and just a lie. This is because it hurt her pride and called into question her schoolteacher! Such people do not have anyone to teach! Such individuals mouth must be stopped in the church.

 

[zone]

Yes Necto you are correct, Good on you for defending the truth and sticking to your guns. I back you up 100%. You have obviously studied the scriptures and cant be fooled, for it says;.

so, necto is correct in holding to prtribulation rapture of some saints, while others are left behind?

 

[zone]

I apologize for this. I misread the meaning of the writer. A perfect reason why one should not talk on the phone when engaging in a debate...I won't be doing that again. My error. I guess i will now have to answer the one i no longer wish to answer...since the answers always get twisted and abused !! But since i erred in the above, i must at least respond now. Lesson learnt, which is : do not debate with distractions !!

what a cop-out.

you managed to find a way to blame someone else for your error.

 

[zone]

I really do not want to talk to you any more. No good ever comes out of this. Whatever i say, i am certain will be abused.

the victim again?

But i made an error in misreading your meaning whilst distracted, so i now feel i must answer to make up for my error. I am not happy about this, let alone having to engage you again. But i have principals, and will this once talk directly to you again. May my Lord understand and pardon me for directly engaging you again which i said i would not. But i must make up for my error as is the right thing to do.

Firstly i never said the earthly land was the promised rest on its own. Why are you still doing this? STOP IT.

this is exactly the problem. devo i'm not going to bother going back to bring forward all the posts that contain exactly that premise...you should review them yourself.

the focus on the TEMPORAL is the core of your theology, and in this system Christ is essentially passed over.

this is just one example of how far that has gone.

Secondly you are mixing up rest and THE rest. Instead of giving you a detailed explanation as i usually would, since you never seem to read it anyway...here is proof that you have misunderstood the meaning of rest and THE rest.

i read every word of every post carefully. do you?
now, its about ME misunderstanding AGAIN.

well, we'll see how you manage this. i honestly do not know how you have suddenly managed to grasp THE REST when only yesterday you were adamant Jesus HAD NOT brought The Rest.

Hebrews 4:11> Let us labor therefore to enter into THAT rest, lest any man fall after the same example of disbelief.

Paul already believed correct? When we come to Christ we are given peace in our souls.. a type of rest..but Not THE rest. So Paul too had a type of rest correct? That type of rest Jesus provides when He carries our burdens.
But WHAT REST is Paul speaking of here?
Telling us we must LABOR to enter into Christs rest. THAT rest.

Remember we are told to STRIVE? To CONTINUE in His way?
So with this in mind, how can we be in THE rest when Paul tells us we are NOT YET in THAT rest?? For: we must labor to enter THAT rest. Jesus had already come and gone by this stage !!

the book to The Hebrews was writtenTO THEM.
if you read the entire Book for a change instead of cherry-picking passages to fit your OT dispensational theology you'll get it.

CHRIST IS THE REST. He is All in All.

the chapter in question is warning THE HEBREWS not to repeat their forefather's dreadful pattern by DYING IN THEIR SINS AND UNBLEIEF without entering into CHRIST.

this is about The Hebrews, wandering around in the wilderness unwilling to enter into The New Covenant, choosing instead to die in the wilderness along with Moses, never striving to enter into the New Covenant.

but dispensationalists have made a separation WITHIN The New Covenant (Jesus Christ), rebuilding the wall of partition, separating AGAIN jews from gentiles (or israel and church more specifically), and can only understand the warnings in Hebrews (and other books) as APPLIED TO THE NEW COVENANT CHURCH, since they have israel NOT receiving the Promise yet.

they have chopped up the flow of Redemptive History, and shuffled the parts like a deck of cards, placing walls AGAIN, separating Jesus from His Finished Work and The Promise Fulfilled (effectively separating Him from His people AGAIN).

it couldn't be more painfully obvious.

Either we are in that rest now, which means YES the millennium would have started already and Hebrews 4:11 is "another mistake" and Paul didn't know what he was talking about ...OR no, we are not yet in that rest which means the millennium has not yet started and Hebrews 4:11 is accurate.

you, too, are back claiming that Rest has NOT come, even though the Bible is CRYSTAL CLEAR that Jesus Christ is that Rest, and we are either IN HIM NOW, or we have not yet entered in. and in denying He is that rest (after He Himself said He was), you are doing the same thing the children of israel did in the wilderness.

believers receive the Promise of the Holy Spirit - THE DOWN PAYMENT (earnest/pledge) on their inheritence (received already/not yet).

but the dispensationalist HAS TO make the Land Grant from Joshua 21 apply to the future EARTHLY type, again, passing over the SPIRITUAL reality.

TODAY they are told...TODAY WHILE THE OFFER STILL STANDS you must enter into that Rest.

but, you are determined to be right, and didn't bother taking prayerful time out to see this, and have to blame someone else for your mistakes.

perhaps understanding the passages in question lead one honestly seeking thetruth to see WE ARE in the period called a thousand years...the final portion of redemptive history before the Second Advent.

there are no more offers to enter into His rest AFTER His COMING in Judgment, nor after the death of the body. it is given to every man to DIE ONCE and THEN The Judgment.

but the dispensationalist will argue this point til the very literal end, even going so far as to invent a second temporal flesh body for jews who died in unbelief...again, because they can not understand that when they CLAIM to use a literal interpretation (i.e.: Romans 11), all they have done is perpetuate that dispensational shuffling of the deck.

what they don't seem to understand is that this is judaized christianity which has at its core the desperate need to separate the jews from the New Covenant by any means necessary...any reading of Apostle Paul's letters absolutely sets this in stone.

there can be NO mixing of The Two Covenants - NONE. one either understands and believes that JESUS is the Redeemer, not the temple or national israel or they do not.

CHRIST is the Promise, He came to the jew first, then the gentile....why are you wasting so much time POINTING BACKWARDS?

Are we to start altering the bible now to suit doctrines?

you are. that's the point. and you claimed special private revelation.

I believe the written Word is sufficient. All is as should be. Maybe you should try having a bit more faith in the written Word also. And do some of your own seeking and you would have picked this up yourself. For your teachers have certainly gotten it wrong.

there it is again....the truth of the matter is, you came to The bible with DISPENSATIONAL presuppositions you picked up from dispensational theology: END OF STORY.

never even questoning whether this may be true means you will never see it for what it is.

not my problem.

 

[zone]

God says to his son;''sit on my right hand --untill--i make all your enemies your
foot stool???? his enemies are not under him yet ,satan must be locked up first..

UNTIL. sit down UNTIL.

what happens when Jesus "stands up" wakeup?

satan is bound now. he is not permitted to stop a repentent sinner from being saved by Grace by the going forth of the Gospel. the strong man (satan) is currently RESTRAINED while Jesus plunders his house. He told the Pharisees this 2,000 years ago wakeup. why do you keep denying it?

the wheat and tares GROW TOGETHER until the harvest (the end of this world). the wheat are the children of the kingom (now/ and of the world to come), and the tares are the children of the wicked one (the sons of disobedience).

but you don't believe that. i don't know how sinners are saved in your scenario with satan NOT restrained.

however, when he IS released and the whole world falls into delusion (believing lying signs and wonders - a false eschaton), and the people falsely claiming YHVH & Christ fall into apostasy (falling away from the True Vine, departing from the faith), you will know how much satan has been restrained from preventing the translation of men from every kindred tongue and nation NOW into the eternal kingdom.

when that short space comes (and with it God's own Judgment of strong delusion) you'll see tribulation alright.

but at this moment he is given authourity to forgive sins, give mercy,and grace,judge.
and he rules amongst his flock only, but he has not given a physical kingdom yet,untill
all his enemies are put under him, evil is still rampant at this moment,and getting stronger
thy kingdom come; thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. this will happen
when all his enemies are put under his feet by GOD..

so, your Lord isn't in total control. i get that.

death it self will be conquered. we are definitely not in his 1000 kingdom at this moment: that would only misrepresent Jesus to the max. that he is doing a sloppy job..

your future millennium DOES have death, and DOES have sin and satan.
stop claiming it doesn't.

its either one or the other.

no he will do a pefect job in the 1000yrs kingdom.

what blasphemy.
He did a perfect job the FIRST TIME.

 

[wakeup]

your knowledge is so shellow, cant you uderstand that the rest Jesus is offering
is peace of mind, if we are in him? he will take away your problems: he is not speaking
of the 1000yrs rest. he promised moses and his good flock rest also.
where are they? are they here now? show me where they are. is joshua the proph.
amongst us? is aaron here now in this 1000yrs as you call it? did they live 5centuties,or
10 centuries ago? when did they enter this rest as you call it? never, its all error.
but they will be in the kingdom to come; after the coming, not now,definitely not:

thy will be done on earth as is in heaven. is heaven on earth now?
since when was Jesus sitting next to God? after the resurection, naturally: and how long is he going to sit next to God? untill------all his enemies are put under him.
when Jesus said: come to me you havy laden i will----""-GIVE""----you rest.
but regarding the 1000yrs rest; we have to labour to---""-enter in""----the kingdom.
if this is still so hard to see, then you will never see anything.

""wakeup"".

 

[wakeup]

I really do not want to talk to you any more. No good ever comes out of this. Whatever i say, i am certain will be abused. But i made an error in misreading your meaning whilst distracted, so i now feel i must answer to make up for my error. I am not happy about this, let alone having to engage you again. But i have principals, and will this once talk directly to you again. May my Lord understand and pardon me for directly engaging you again which i said i would not. But i must make up for my error as is the right thing to do.

Firstly i never said the earthly land was the promised rest on its own. Why are you still doing this? STOP IT.

Secondly you are mixing up rest and THE rest. Instead of giving you a detailed explanation as i usually would, since you never seem to read it anyway...here is proof that you have misunderstood the meaning of rest and THE rest.

Hebrews 4:11> Let us labor therefore to enter into THAT rest, lest any man fall after the same example of disbelief.

Paul already believed correct? When we come to Christ we are given peace in our souls.. a type of rest..but Not THE rest. So Paul too had a type of rest correct? That type of rest Jesus provides when He carries our burdens.
But WHAT REST is Paul speaking of here?
Telling us we must LABOR to enter into Christs rest. THAT rest.

Remember we are told to STRIVE? To CONTINUE in His way?
So with this in mind, how can we be in THE rest when Paul tells us we are NOT YET in THAT rest?? For: we must labor to enter THAT rest. Jesus had already come and gone by this stage !!

Either we are in that rest now, which means YES the millennium would have started already and Hebrews 4:11 is "another mistake" and Paul didn't know what he was talking about ...OR no, we are not yet in that rest which means the millennium has not yet started and Hebrews 4:11 is accurate.
Are we to start altering the bible now to suit doctrines?
I believe the written Word is sufficient. All is as should be. Maybe you should try having a bit more faith in the written Word also. And do some of your own seeking and you would have picked this up yourself. For your teachers have certainly gotten it wrong.

in heb4:8. paul mentioned JESUS,and he ment JESUS,not joshua(this is an other twist made to serve their doctrine)
JESUS=JESHUAH=JEHOSHUAH. what she is saying is that paul made a mistake,
or it is wrongly translated. anything to fit the doctrine.
Jesus: the word of GOD was guiding the israelites all the way.
paul understood this, thats why he mentions JESUS.

''wakeup''.

 

[zone]

your knowledge is so shellow, cant you uderstand that the rest Jesus is offering
is peace of mind, if we are in him? he will take away your problems: he is not speaking
of the 1000yrs rest. he promised moses and his good flock rest also

where are they? are they here now? show me where they are. is joshua the proph.
amongst us? is aaron here now in this 1000yrs as you call it? did they live 5centuties,or
10 centuries ago? when did they enter this rest as you call it? never, its all error.
but they will be in the kingdom to come; after the coming, not now,definitely not:

thy will be done on earth as is in heaven. is heaven on earth now?
since when was Jesus sitting next to God? after the resurection, naturally: and how long is he going to sit next to God? untill------all his enemies are put under him.
when Jesus said: come to me you havy laden i will----""-GIVE""----you rest.
but regarding the 1000yrs rest; we have to labour to---""-enter in""----the kingdom.
if this is still so hard to see, then you will never see anything.

""wakeup"".

no, it is those who continue to look to the temporal who have the shallow understanding.

you might want to reread Dueteronomy 18.

read these parallel passages TO THE HEBREWS concerning MOSES (to whom you continue to look, when you should be going to ABRAHAM) to understand the Promise WHICH IS BY FAITH in the Promise. (SEED singular)

if you can be bothered to read the whole 2 chapters, right at the end you will see it is HEAVENLY JERUSALEM, the New Heavens and New Earth that they RECEIVED/WILL RECEIVE by FAITH. there is NO continuing city HERE.

Hebrews 10
Christ’s Sacrifice Once for All
1 For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities, it can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually offered every year, make perfect those who draw near. 2 Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, since the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have any consciousness of sins? 3 But in these sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.

5 Consequently, when Christa came into the world, he said,
“Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired,
but a body have you prepared for me;
6 in burnt offerings and sin offerings
you have taken no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come to do your will, O God,
as it is written of me in the scroll of the book.’”

8 When he said above, “You have neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings” (these are offered according to the law), 9 then he added, “Behold, I have come to do your will.” He does away with the first in order to establish the second. 10 And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12But when Christb had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. 14For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

15 And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying,

16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them
after those days, declares the Lord:

I will put my laws on their hearts,
and write them on their minds,”

17 then he adds,
“I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”

18 Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.

The Full Assurance of Faith
19Therefore, brothers,c since we have confidence to enter the holy places by the blood of Jesus, 20by the new and living way that he opened for us through the curtain, that is, through his flesh, 21and since we have a great priest over the house of God, 22 let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. 23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for he who promised is faithful. 24And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, 25not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.

26 For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. 29 How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has spurned the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

32 But recall the former days when, after you were enlightened, you endured a hard struggle with sufferings, 33 sometimes being publicly exposed to reproach and affliction, and sometimes being partners with those so treated. 34 For you had compassion on those in prison, and you joyfully accepted the plundering of your property, since you knew that you yourselves had a better possession and an abiding one. 35 Therefore do not throw away your confidence, which has a great reward. 36 For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God you may receive what is promised. 37For,

“Yet a little while,
and the coming one will come and will not delay;
38 but my righteous one shall live by faith,
and if he shrinks back,
my soul has no pleasure in him.”

39 But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who have faith and preserve their souls.

 

[zone]

Hebrews 11
By Faith
1 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. 2For by it the people of old received their commendation. 3 By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible.

4 By faith Abel offered to God a more acceptable sacrifice than Cain, through which he was commended as righteous, God commending him by accepting his gifts. And through his faith, though he died, he still speaks. 5 By faith Enoch was taken up so that he should not see death, and he was not found, because God had taken him. Now before he was taken he was commended as having pleased God. 6 And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him. 7 By faith Noah, being warned by God concerning events as yet unseen, in reverent fear constructed an ark for the saving of his household. By this he condemned the world and became an heir of the righteousness that comes by faith.
8 By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to a place that he was to receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going. 9 By faith he went to live in the land of promise, as in a foreign land, living in tents with Isaac and Jacob, heirs with him of the same promise. 10 For he was looking forward to the city that has foundations, whose designer and builder is God. 11 By faith Sarah herself received power to conceive, even when she was past the age, since she considered him faithful who had promised. 12 Therefore from one man, and him as good as dead, were born descendants as many as the stars of heaven and as many as the innumerable grains of sand by the seashore.

13These all died in faith, not having received the things promised, but having seen them and greeted them from afar, and having acknowledged that they were strangers and exiles on the earth.

14For people who speak thus make it clear that they are seeking a homeland. 15 If they had been thinking of that land from which they had gone out, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared for them a city.

17 By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises was in the act of offering up his only son, 18 of whom it was said, “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” 19 He considered that God was able even to raise him from the dead, from which, figuratively speaking, he did receive him back. 20 By faith Isaac invoked future blessings on Jacob and Esau. 21 By faith Jacob, when dying, blessed each of the sons of Joseph, bowing in worship over the head of his staff. 22 By faith Joseph, at the end of his life, made mention of the exodus of the Israelites and gave directions concerning his bones.

23 By faith Moses, when he was born, was hidden for three months by his parents, because they saw that the child was beautiful, and they were not afraid of the king’s edict. 24 By faith Moses, when he was grown up, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh’s daughter, 25choosing rather to be mistreated with the people of God than to enjoy the fleeting pleasures of sin. 26 He considered the reproach of Christ greater wealth than the treasures of Egypt, for he was looking to the reward. 27 By faith he left Egypt, not being afraid of the anger of the king, for he endured as seeing him who is invisible. 28 By faith he kept the Passover and sprinkled the blood, so that the Destroyer of the firstborn might not touch them.

29 By faith the people crossed the Red Sea as on dry land, but the Egyptians, when they attempted to do the same, were drowned. 30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell down after they had been encircled for seven days. 31 By faith Rahab the prostitute did not perish with those who were disobedient, because she had given a friendly welcome to the spies.

32 And what more shall I say? For time would fail me to tell of Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, of David and Samuel and the prophets— 33 who through faith conquered kingdoms, enforced justice, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions, 34 quenched the power of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, were made strong out of weakness, became mighty in war, put foreign armies to flight. 35 Women received back their dead by resurrection. Some were tortured, refusing to accept release, so that they might rise again to a better life. 36 Others suffered mocking and flogging, and even chains and imprisonment. 37 They were stoned, they were sawn in two,a they were killed with the sword. They went about in skins of sheep and goats, destitute, afflicted, mistreated— 38of whom the world was not worthy—wandering about in deserts and mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.

39 And all these, though commended through their faith, did not receive what was promised, 40 since God had provided something better for us, that apart from us they should not be made perfect.

 

[zone]

Jesus, Founder and Perfecter of Our Faith
1 Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, 2 looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.

Do Not Grow Weary
3 Consider him who endured from sinners such hostility against himself, so that you may not grow weary or fainthearted. 4 In your struggle against sin you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. 5 And have you forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons?

“My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord,
nor be weary when reproved by him.
6 For the Lord disciplines the one he loves,
and chastises every son whom he receives.”

7 It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline? 8 If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons. 9 Besides this, we have had earthly fathers who disciplined us and we respected them. Shall we not much more be subject to the Father of spirits and live? 10 For they disciplined us for a short time as it seemed best to them, but he disciplines us for our good, that we may share his holiness. 11 For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.

12 Therefore lift your drooping hands and strengthen your weak knees, 13 and make straight paths for your feet, so that what is lame may not be put out of joint but rather be healed. 14 Strive for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord. 15 See to it that no one fails to obtain the grace of God; that no “root of bitterness” springs up and causes trouble, and by it many become defiled; 16 that no one is sexually immoral or unholy like Esau, who sold his birthright for a single meal. 17 For you know that afterward, when he desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no chance to repent, though he sought it with tears.

A Kingdom That Cannot Be Shaken
18 For you have not come to what may be touched, a blazing fire and darkness and gloom and a tempest 19 and the sound of a trumpet and a voice whose words made the hearers beg that no further messages be spoken to them. 20 For they could not endure the order that was given, “If even a beast touches the mountain, it shall be stoned.” 21 Indeed, so terrifying was the sight that Moses said, “I tremble with fear.” 22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, 23 and to the assemblya of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

25 See that you do not refuse him who is speaking. For if they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, much less will we escape if we reject him who warns from heaven. 26 At that time his voice shook the earth, but now he has promised, “Yet once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens.”

27 This phrase, “Yet once more,” indicates the removal of things that are shaken—that is, things that have been made—in order that the things that cannot be shaken may remain. 28 Therefore let us be grateful for receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, and thus let us offer to God acceptable worship, with reverence and awe, 29 for our God is a consuming fire.


this is The Second Advent and Judgment.
TODAY, if they will hear his Voice, TODAY, while the offer stands...not a future 1,000 years. this Book was written nearly 2,000 years ago. why are you denying what it clearly SAYS?

 

[Necto]

PERFECT DELUSIONS !!!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

PERFECT DELUSIONS !!!

Lol Amen!

I find it amazing she will spend all this time posting verses, and other things she thinks supports her position. But will not take the small amount of time to prove that Jerusalem

1. Has the power to influence all nations.
2. Is worshiping pegan Gods, (babylonialism) and this organised system of worship comes out from her, and is worldwide in scope. her being the head.
3. Has the ability to side and give power to the beast
4. has enough riches to adorn herself in purple and scarlet (the robes of royalty and power) and adorned herself with precious stones and jewels (the jewlery of the elite and powerful)
5. Where Jerusalems Idolotrous system is so loved by the world, that people make money off her by creating objects which remind us of her. and people buy it in droves.

even these 5 questions would help. Even though there is many more. and we could look at them if Only Zone would tell us how these fit Jerusalem.

But I guess it is to much work for her. so she refuses. Yet calls us names and states we will not prove our point.

I think there is a word for this, it is called "hypocrite' (do as I say not as I do)

 

[wakeup]

UNTIL. sit down UNTIL.

what happens when Jesus "stands up" wakeup?
satan will be put in prison,so he could deceive the nations no more.
at the coming satan will be bound. proof.rev.20:2.3.
satan can appear as an angel of light(in prison?)
satan is wroth with the followers of christ and them that hath the testimony of christ.
(in prison?)rev.12:17.satan gave the beast his seat power and authority rev.13:2.
(in prison?) the world worship the dragon.rev.13:4.(in prison?)
satan is bound now. he is not permitted to stop a repentent sinner from being saved by Grace by the going forth of the Gospel. the strong man (satan) is currently RESTRAINED while Jesus plunders his house. He told the Pharisees this 2,000 years ago wakeup. why do you keep denying it?
you mis understood this parable: it was saying that satan can not rob you if your
faith is strong. nothing about Jesus coming.

the wheat and tares GROW TOGETHER until the harvest (the end of this world). the wheat are the children of the kingom (now/ and of the world to come), and the tares are the children of the wicked one (the sons of disobedience).
who is the one that was sowing the tares? satan.(in prison?)
but you don't believe that. i don't know how sinners are saved in your scenario with satan NOT restrained.
satan is here to tempt the followers, but the strong in faith, is not tempted.
and here to cause trouble in the world.to cause wars and divisions.
however, when he IS released and the whole world falls into delusion (believing lying signs and wonders - a false eschaton), and the people falsely claiming YHVH & Christ fall into apostasy (falling away from the True Vine, departing from the faith), you will know how much satan has been restrained from preventing the translation of men from every kindred tongue and nation NOW into the eternal kingdom. so satan can not be blamed for this keos in this world? oh poor satan, he did not do this, cause he was in
prison. he is not the guilthy one; he is innocent: is that what you are saying?

no, the delusion God is going to sent 2thess.2:11
when that short space comes (and with it God's own Judgment of strong delusion) you'll see tribulation alright.
strong delusions ones only not twice: where did you stole this one from?



so, your Lord isn't in total control. i get that.
no, your lord is not in control, look at the divisions in the churches'
how can the flock find the truth with such divisions? only the sincere can find
the whole truth.
every one their own way, drinking watered down wine.

your future millennium DOES have death, and DOES have sin and satan.
stop claiming it doesn't.
let me explain again and again,in the millenium,satan is in prison: knowledge will be
full, it will be paradise, no sin,everyone will live up to a 100yrs old, die, then resurected
in a spirit body, in the second resurection. there must be a second resurection.
to give the non christian gentiles a chance to be judged according to their works.
what woud Jesus do with the hindoes,buddhists, krishnas? can you tell me?
i know ,they all will be thrown into hell. well my God is more just than that'
he is not a simple God.
its either one or the other.
after satan is cast into the lake of fire, then, only then is death conquered.


what blasphemy.speaking the truth is not blasphemy. there is only one truth,and it is
not your doctrine,for it is false,you have picked it up from the byways.
He did a perfect job the FIRST TIME.

you say this world is pefect? why do people have to lock themselves in their homes?
did not Jesus say ""they cry for peace ,but there is no peace; until the prince of peace
comes. you must reconsider your doctrine, it is off the planet.

""wakeup''.

 

[wakeup]

Lol Amen!

I find it amazing she will spend all this time posting verses, and other things she thinks supports her position. But will not take the small amount of time to prove that Jerusalem

1. Has the power to influence all nations.
2. Is worshiping pegan Gods, (babylonialism) and this organised system of worship comes out from her, and is worldwide in scope. her being the head.
3. Has the ability to side and give power to the beast
4. has enough riches to adorn herself in purple and scarlet (the robes of royalty and power) and adorned herself with precious stones and jewels (the jewlery of the elite and powerful)
5. Where Jerusalems Idolotrous system is so loved by the world, that people make money off her by creating objects which remind us of her. and people buy it in droves.

even these 5 questions would help. Even though there is many more. and we could look at them if Only Zone would tell us how these fit Jerusalem.

But I guess it is to much work for her. so she refuses. Yet calls us names and states we will not prove our point.

I think there is a word for this, it is called "hypocrite' (do as I say not as I do)

maybe we are just wasting our time, but there are others reading it too.

 

[wakeup]

Lol Amen!

I find it amazing she will spend all this time posting verses, and other things she thinks supports her position. But will not take the small amount of time to prove that Jerusalem

1. Has the power to influence all nations.
2. Is worshiping pegan Gods, (babylonialism) and this organised system of worship comes out from her, and is worldwide in scope. her being the head.
3. Has the ability to side and give power to the beast
4. has enough riches to adorn herself in purple and scarlet (the robes of royalty and power) and adorned herself with precious stones and jewels (the jewlery of the elite and powerful)
5. Where Jerusalems Idolotrous system is so loved by the world, that people make money off her by creating objects which remind us of her. and people buy it in droves.

even these 5 questions would help. Even though there is many more. and we could look at them if Only Zone would tell us how these fit Jerusalem.

But I guess it is to much work for her. so she refuses. Yet calls us names and states we will not prove our point.

I think there is a word for this, it is called "hypocrite' (do as I say not as I do)

i call it drunken with the wrong wine,dont know where she is going.