you do understand that by admitting to this, you are now in violation of the terms of service of this chat board and can and probably should be reported for making the chat board your private perosnal pulpit?
Hi Meggido,
I'm sorry to intrude, but calm down already!!
I know you well enough to know that there's some misunderstanding here.
Violation of service: I have OFTEN said that I posted here for those reading along. I knew I could never convince Dcon or UnderGrace or EG of anything I said. BUT, if they're going to post their beliefs, which are not really biblical if we want to be honest, then I ALSO want to make the other side known.
So no breaking of TOS. This is not a private pulpit. It's a public forum and there ARE many reading along.
As far as works. I pretty much agree with PHart.
I don't understand why WORKS has become such a bad word. And I know you pretty much agree with me.
WORKS DO NOT SAVE US.
We are justified by faith alone. We're all good on this after 1,000 pages and over 20,000 posts, of which I GOT no. 20,000 !!
BUT, now what?
DO WE WORK OR DO WE NOT WORK?
I've been trying to make this easy but no go for me...
IF we say that we work, What's the difference WHY we work?
We're ALEADY SAVED. So we certainly are NOT doing works to be saved.
But JESUS said we are to follow in His lead.
He said He does the works of the Father...
John 10:37-38 are interesting verses.
Jesus is speaking to the Jews about how He is the Son of God and blaspheming.
He says...
"IF I DO NOT DO THE WORKS OF THE FATHER, DO NOT BELIEVE ME".
verse 37
"BUT IF I DO THEM, THOUGH YOU DO NOT BELIEVE ME, BELIEVE THE WORKS, THAT YOU MAY KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THAT THE FATHER IS IN ME AND I IN THE FATHER".
verse 38
We can also apply this rule to ourselves. We are, after all, disciples of Jesus and what He did we are also to emmulate.
IF we DO NOT do the works Jesus commanded us to do, if means we DO NOT BELIEVE HIM. (verse 37)
BUT if we DO THE WORKS, those who may not believe in Jesus WILL BELIEVE IN THE WORKS THEY SEE.
So all will know and understand that Jesus is in us, and we are in Jesus. (verse 38)
Our works should be an Honor to do.
Jesus said we are to do them. He did not REQUEST this, He DEMANDED THIS.
John 8:31
To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples."
Jesus is speaking to His disciples above.
He tells them that IF they hold,or abide in, or keep believing in, HIS TEACHINGS, then they are REALLY His disciples.
What are Jeus' teachings?
What is a disciple?
What does it mean to abide?
Jesus' teachings can be found all through the gospels and in Acts and in John's writings.
We can talk about these. I like to mention the Beatitudes in Mathew 5:3-10 and Mathew 25:33-46
In Mathew 25:46 Jesus HIMSELF says that those who did not do His works will go to eternal punishment.
and in Mathew 25:34 to those who did the works, He says to go into the Kingdom which was prepared for them from the beginning of the world.
A disciple is a follower or ADHERENT of any teacher. In this case, Jesus is the teacher and we are His followers.
If we want to follow Him and be an adherent, we MUST do as He taught.
To abide means to be IN, to LIVE WITH, To stay, To dwell, to CONTINUE TO STAY.
I really fail to see why we fight works so much.
We are saved by grace -- God's love for His creatures.
God is a Holy and Pure God and has ALWAYS demanded obedience.
Has He changed??
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a•bide (əˈbaɪd)
v. a•bode a•bid•ed, a•bid•ing. v.i.
1. to remain; stay: Abide with me.
2. to have one's abode; dwell; reside.
3. to continue in a particular condition; last; endure.
v.t.
4. to put up with; tolerate; stand: I can't abide dishonesty!
5. to endure or withstand without yielding: to abide a vigorous onslaught.
6. to wait for; await: to abide the coming of the Lord.
7. to accept without opposition or question: to abide the verdict of the judge.
8. abide by,
a. to comply with; submit to: to abide by the court's decision.
b. to remain faithful to; keep: to abide by a promise.