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Hi FranC, please forgive me I just mainly study God's Word but what is OSAS?

God bless
Well LoveGodForever,

You've said something rather magical...

YOU study God's Word.

And therein lies the reason why you don't know what OSAS means.
Because you won't find this in God's Word.

It means Once Saved Always Saved. or
Eternal Security or
Perseverance of the Saints.

Mr. Calvin made up this theology in 1500.
He liked the idea.
And so do many Others.
Of course, it's not biblical and should not be disseminated...
 
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Bottom line up front. You have to wilfully run from basic gospel and epistle truth (these get paid to type, copy paste prewritten b$) to hold up works of any sort as a supplement to the stand alone truth of faith alone in Jesus Christ alone truth.
Sully, I had to re-post because I am persuaded more and more. :(
 
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And the Aussie chimes in void of context.............and who is choosing to live in sin...do tell mate!
Well mate,

if YOU won't do it, somebody has to.

Why not do your duty here and do the exegesis????

Or just admit that it's a problem for you because you like to make pretzels.
 
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Fyi...soon I will not be able to read you. But I will pray for you.


Ummm. that's OSAS. Which is also NOT BIBLICAL.

But we're not talking about that, are we?
Is that Hebrews 10?

I DON'T KNOW because you DIDN'T EXEGETE IT.
 
Dec 12, 2013
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Well LoveGodForever,

You've said something rather magical...

YOU study God's Word.

And therein lies the reason why you don't know what OSAS means.
Because you won't find this in God's Word.

It means Once Saved Always Saved. or
Eternal Security or
Perseverance of the Saints.

Mr. Calvin made up this theology in 1500.
He liked the idea.
And so do many Others.
Of course, it's not biblical and should not be disseminated...
Actually God designed the phrase and then inspired men to pen it down under the terms eternal and everlasting as applied unto LIFE.....maybe you should re-think your "fallology" and trust Jesus.....
 
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Well mate,

if YOU won't do it, somebody has to.

Why not do your duty here and do the exegesis????

Or just admit that it's a problem for you because you like to make pretzels.
I do like Aunt Aunties......with lots of salt......
 

Seohce

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The above sounds a lot like the below...



God calls us to different ministries. One of which is tewardship.

You ask people to be like the early church.....who then will be entrusted with the power and responsibility of the apostles to be faithful stewards of the blessings God provides?

Many people can give a person a fish...,how many people will take the time to teach them to fish?

God's calling to His people is MORE than jusT MORALISTIC good deeds.

Jesus told his disciples two different things concerning coin purses. Do you know the scriptures and WHY JESUS told them at first to travel without a coin purse or change of clothes and then later to carry a change of clothes, coin purse and sword?


Following the Holy spirit means listening not to a set formula given to all people but walking the unique path that God wants us to walk at a specific moment in our lives.

It's more than reading Bible stories and applying them to our lives...,it's praying and listening to God and following the paths He has made straight for us to walk.

In conclusion, if God calls you to sell all and become a missionary, then do it. If God calls you to be a faithful steward and give as you can at home, then that is good too.

Pray and follow God's leading,

Don't jump off cliffs to "prove" that you are a child of God. Instead follow Him and rest in His love.
IF THESE PEOPLE REALLY HAVE THIS SAVING FAITH, THEN I CHALLENGE THEM TO SELL THEIR POSSESSIONS TO BE GIVEN TO THE POOR OR THE “CHRISTIAN CHAT”, OUT OF LOVE AND COMPASSION AND OF OBEDIENCE TO GOD WITH ALL HONESTY AND INTEGRITY.
The above sounds a lot like the below...

Luke 4
“If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down from here, 10for it is written,

“‘He will command his angels concerning you,
to guard you,’

11and

“‘On their hands they will bear you up,
lest you strike your foot against a stone.’”

+++++++++++++++++++++

+++Ariel, did Jesus sound like the devil(tempter) as well when he commanded(suggested) the same to the young man?

This proves my point that you and your cohorts would not accept that “faith without works is dead” because you don’t want to follow the commandments that would compromise your self interest

+++++++++++++++++++++

???Following the Holy spirit means listening not to a set formula given to all people but walking the unique path that God wants us to walk at a specific moment in our lives.

It's more than reading Bible stories and applying them to our lives...,it's praying and listening to God and following the paths He has made straight for us to walk.

In conclusion, if God calls you to sell all and become a missionary, then do it. If God calls you to be a faithful steward and give as you can at home, then that is good too.

Pray and follow God's leading,

Don't jump off cliffs to "prove" that you are a child of God. Instead follow Him and rest in His love.

+++++++++++++++++++++

+++What is this unique path if it’s other than Jesus and how do you listen to God other than through the Word of God written in the scriptures?

How can you liken “obedience to God” from “jumping off cliffs”?

+++++++++++++++++++++

+++Luke 22:35-38 Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” “Nothing,” they answered. He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.” The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.” “That is enough,” he replied.

+++Matthew 6:24-25,31-34 “No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money. Do Not Worry “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes? So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

+++Romans 11:33-36 Doxology Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out! “Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?” “Who has ever given to God, that God should repay him?” For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be the glory forever! Amen.
 
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Well LoveGodForever,

You've said something rather magical...

YOU study God's Word.

And therein lies the reason why you don't know what OSAS means.
Because you won't find this in God's Word.

It means Once Saved Always Saved. or
Eternal Security or
Perseverance of the Saints.

Mr. Calvin made up this theology in 1500.
He liked the idea.
And so do many Others.
Of course, it's not biblical and should not be disseminated...
You know FranC,

This is why I believe it is very important to us all to seek God through His Word. I believe it is only by studying God's Word that we can find Jesus because he is the Word (Matt 4:4). It is through the Word that Jesus says... and you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free. Jesus further explained after the Jews said to him.. we be Abraham's seed and have never been in bondage to any man.... where Jesus said.. Whosoever commits sin is the servant of sin. I am a sinner. I need Jesus to save me from my sins so I seek Him by faith through His Word everyday. If we trust in the teachings of man we can lose our salvation. Best to Seek God through His Word because he promises to be our teacher (John 14:26; 16:13; Heb 8:10-12; John 7:17)

God bless
 
Jan 27, 2013
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the problem with logic, it will be tested by the spiritual. that s why logic or your understanding without proof , will always be asked , why should i follow a numb nut, that has already been rejected because of there lies,


truth was transparent , what foundation, does truth follow, if you proclaim truth lies.
 
Jan 27, 2013
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the history of yesterday , asked who appointed, you hang man . hope your money , can buy your family extra time.
 
Apr 30, 2016
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Teology hey.....is that the study of tea................your right...maybe if you studied the bible instead of tea you would understand better.....!
Hey!

I drink coffee.
Espresso
Cappuccino
and instant american 'cause that's all I could get.

But teaology. Yeah. I know some girls who would be interested in that...

Earl Grey. The best.
 

AllenW

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Hey!

I drink coffee.
Espresso
Cappuccino
and instant american 'cause that's all I could get.

But teaology. Yeah. I know some girls who would be interested in that...

Earl Grey. The best.
Yes, I agree.
 
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You know FranC,

This is why I believe it is very important to us all to seek God through His Word. I believe it is only by studying God's Word that we can find Jesus because he is the Word (Matt 4:4). It is through the Word that Jesus says... and you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free. Jesus further explained after the Jews said to him.. we be Abraham's seed and have never been in bondage to any man.... where Jesus said.. Whosoever commits sin is the servant of sin. I am a sinner. I need Jesus to save me from my sins so I seek Him by faith through His Word everyday. If we trust in the teachings of man we can lose our salvation. Best to Seek God through His Word because he promises to be our teacher (John 14:26; 16:13; Heb 8:10-12; John 7:17)

God bless
Amen.

If you just read God's Word with no preconceived ideas,it'll be very simple to understand and to follow what it says.
No theology necessary,
No twistng necessary,
Nothing necessary but the Word of God.
 
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If we trust in the teachings of man we can lose our salvation
So the gift from God, salvation/eternal life which is bound in God's love for us, can be taken away by the teachings of man?

You need to keep studying then because Paul makes it pretty clear this is not true....


Romans 8:38-39King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]38 [/SUP]For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
[SUP]39 [/SUP]Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


Ohhh... Fran exegete that.... I'm waiting?

You know FranC,

This is why I believe it is very important to us all to seek God through His Word. I believe it is only by studying God's Word that we can find Jesus because he is the Word (Matt 4:4). It is through the Word that Jesus says... and you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free. Jesus further explained after the Jews said to him.. we be Abraham's seed and have never been in bondage to any man.... where Jesus said.. Whosoever commits sin is the servant of sin. I am a sinner. I need Jesus to save me from my sins so I seek Him by faith through His Word everyday. If we trust in the teachings of man we can lose our salvation. Best to Seek God through His Word because he promises to be our teacher (John 14:26; 16:13; Heb 8:10-12; John 7:17)

God bless
 
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LOL
About what??

You know the story of when Jesus was walking and the woman touched his tunic and she was healed?

This is what I like to say about that:

If Jesus doesn't touch YOU...

YOU touch Jesus.

Look for Him wherever He may be found.
And there he'll be.

(I don't know. Don't ask)