Bruce, many here believe once they are saved that is is it and everything else is a "passive" work of Christ....
Jesus and the Bible never teach he only passively works in you....this is the very reason why discipleship is maligned and marginalized and why you and others suggest a tree does not not have to produce fruit....
This is because the current you describe the light bulb needs is not Jesus, it is the Holy Spirit...someone I think even the OSAS crowd has marginalized down to a .49 stamp....
The deception that the Passive work of Christ is all you need to mature in Christ is a lie from hell... I am sorry if you disagree....
Ole Joe Prince said last night on his program that he was teaching a few things wrong...he said the passive work of Christ is not needed now, because my friend, I never saw this before, but we are made perfect in spirit, soul and body by the blood....and never have to confess our sins any more...passive work means you are not made perfect and puts Christ back on the cross...second, tongues will heal you and make you look,act and be younger than your age...if you pray in tongues and take communion your physical healing is manifested instantly....
Passive work alone is a deception....
Jesus and the Bible never teach he only passively works in you....this is the very reason why discipleship is maligned and marginalized and why you and others suggest a tree does not not have to produce fruit....
This is because the current you describe the light bulb needs is not Jesus, it is the Holy Spirit...someone I think even the OSAS crowd has marginalized down to a .49 stamp....
The deception that the Passive work of Christ is all you need to mature in Christ is a lie from hell... I am sorry if you disagree....
Ole Joe Prince said last night on his program that he was teaching a few things wrong...he said the passive work of Christ is not needed now, because my friend, I never saw this before, but we are made perfect in spirit, soul and body by the blood....and never have to confess our sins any more...passive work means you are not made perfect and puts Christ back on the cross...second, tongues will heal you and make you look,act and be younger than your age...if you pray in tongues and take communion your physical healing is manifested instantly....
Passive work alone is a deception....
The lie from hell is from those that say we can change ourselves. It is a part of the original lie from the garden - wanting to be like God but independent of God's life doing the "living".
2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.
The true way of transformation in Christ is by "beholding" the glory of the Lord as in a mirror. When we see the glory of the Lord we are transformed by the Holy Spirit.
"Transformed" is in the passive mood which mean the Holy Spirit changes us to reveal the life of Christ that is in us outwardly so that others can see Christ. We participate with the Spirit of God within us in this.
This "putting on of Christ" is paramount in order for others to see the real Christ that is in us. This being transformed is seen as renewing the mind to the truth of Christ and all that He has done. Romans 12:2
We are saved by the life of the Lord Jesus Christ which is in us in our new creation. We are now learning how to walk by the spirit - which is our spirit in union with Christ by the Holy Spirit ( whom Jesus said would be in us forever - John 14:16 ).
Living by the flesh does not stop making us a new creation in Christ. It makes us deceived by sin and distorts our view of the Lord's love and grace towards God Himself, others and ourselves.
I have found the very same thing happening in my life. The more I see Christ and what He has done - and the more I agree with His work - the more He becomes manifested in my life and the things of the flesh just have fallen off like dead leaves on a branch.
Transformation is really the emerging new man that is in Christ being manifested in our bodies while we are here on this earth.
This transformation of what already is in us in Christ in our new creation ( It is not called a "new evolution" ) can be seen by man as our minds get renewed to the truth of Christ's work for us. Rom. 12:2
We are simply "being" who we already are when we "put on Christ".
The new man in Christ is like the invisible man - when he put clothes on, people could then see him. We put on Christ and people see the new man in Christ manifested and God gets glorified.
This all happens by grace through faith in what Christ has done and we participate in it with Him for it is God who is at work in us both to will and to do of His good pleasure. He will be faithful to us. Phil. 2:13
As we learn to walk by the spirit instead of the flesh - then we experience God's kind of life in our lives.
But we can agree to dis-agree and leave it in the hands of the Lord.
At least we don't slander each other and are malice-filled because we believe differently in some areas. We will be in heaven together because of the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ. Thank you Jesus!...
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