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eternally-gratefull

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funny thing you seem to think you cant lose your inheritance so how come you have hope ?
Because I can't lose my inheritance based on my performance, Otherwise, I would have no hope.

if I could lose it, I would have to trust in self. How is that any hope? That is no hope at all. Only hope IN CHRIST is worthy of our faith.
 

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The entire chapter of 1Chronicles 16 gives us a picture of the church if one has eyes to see. Takes some understanding of symbols.

There are 4 points I want to show.

Verse 22

~1Ch 16:22  Saying, TouchH5060 notH408 mine anointed,H4899 and doH7489 my prophetsH5030 noH408


harm.

I've heard Christians use this verse to say they cannot be touched with a critical eye, but the anointed is not us.

The Hebrew Word for Messiah. This is a prophetic chapter...breathed by Holy Spirit to show Messiah and His body.




H4899


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From H4886; anointed; usually a consecrated person (as a king, priest, or saint); specifically the Messiah: - anointed, Messiah.






Total KJV occurrences: 39

2. The book of Revelations states not to add to it or take away.. This is the revealing of Jesus Christ...don't add, dont' take away.

3.

1Co 3:10  As an expert builder using the grace that God gave me, I laid the foundation, and someone else is building on it. But each person must be careful how he builds on it. 


1Co 3:11


  After all, no one can lay any other foundation than the one that is already laid, and that is Jesus the Messiah. 

4.

Luk_6:48 
He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.

"whose house are we"


5. Luk_6:49 




But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.

Earth is symbolic of men. Dust of the earth.

The results of laying the house upon the right foundation..the rock, is works.

Which are:

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1Ch 16:7  On that very day, David composed this psalm of thanksgiving to the LORD just for Asaph and his companions: 








David's Song of Thanks






1Ch 16:8  Give thanks to the LORD, calling on his name. Make what he has done known among the people. 


1Ch 16:9  Sing to him, sing psalms to him, and think about all of his miraculous deeds. 


1Ch 16:10  Find joy in his holy name; let the hearts of those who keep on seeking the LORD rejoice. 


1Ch 16:11  Seek the LORD and his strength. Always look to him. 


1Ch 16:12  Keep remembering the awesome deeds that he has done, along with his miracles and the rulings that he has handed down, 


1Ch 16:13  you descendants of his servant Israel, you descendants of Jacob, the ones he has chosen. 


1Ch 16:14  He is the LORD our God. His justice is in all of the land. 

If we do these things...

Joh_12:32  And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.






 




























 
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We are preaching correctly because now you all are saying we are giving you licenses to sin....

Those that state grace is a license to sin usually have only a very small understanding of the totality of grace....and can only understand saving grace and apply it one-dimensionally to their salvation and have no revelation of the manifold grace of God...
Who is "you all"? I have not said that anybody gives another license to sin. My post was against the idea that those here who believe in and rely on and live by the grace and mercy of Christ do not view the weakness of the flesh as a license to sin.

Who gives them self license to sin? The person who sins. Who sins? Everyone. Who asks for forgiveness of their sins? Sinners who repent of their sins. All sins but one are already forgiven for the one who repents. I do see both sides of the issue, and take exception to those who preach that Jesus can lose those that are given to Him, when He said He would not let any slip/be snatched from His hands.
 
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Nope. it is called a hope. If we have no hope of eternal life. Hope of salvation, Hope of an inheritance which is set aside for us, Hope of the seal given to us, Hope of the fact God says we passed from life to death and are no longer condemned.

We have no faith.

what you call a check Box. God calls an inheritance.

wow, you are making me dizzy with all your non-stop slop....the hope is Christ in you ace...confirmed by the Holy Spirit...

and you call us workers for salvation!?!?!?
 

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We may not even be committing willful sins...but we in our humanity are sin. It's our nature. The foundation of Jesus Christ is a new nature that He gives us. We just aren't always mindful of this when we start out, nor are we mature and have laid down all at His feet.

It's a process and it's His Work, Holy Spirit works in us to do and to be.
 
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No, Matt 25 will only catch wanna be christian's unaware. A true child of God bears fruit, He does not sit and do nothing, People who do that, as jame's said, have no faith,

How can one be saved if they have no faith?
so today a child bears fruit and needs works!?!? but just last week and for months you said it was not needed...man do you keep tabs on the miscommunications you engage in?
 
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you have a very lazy one-dimensional view of grace.....

I believe the Bible tells us that a person can and have and will divorce themselves from covenant relationship, grace and salvation from Father and Jesus....
Your right, I have a one dimensional view, Christ is my view. Christ is my hope. Christ is my focus, And Christ is my shepherd. When I stray, he comes and gets me, and being his sheep. I hear his voice and I follow.

You have what I call a two dimensional view. It is not just on Christ, But on yourself.

God gave abraham a covenant of Grace Abraham was not even awake when God confirmed it, And God did not give Abraham any conditions, He said I WILL.

That is the new covenant, It replaces the old covenant, which says if you do these things, I will do those things. That covenant was double ended, It depended on God, and the person having the ability to do what God demanded.

What did God demand?

"Confirm and OBEY EVER WORD written in this law"


The constant is always Father and Jesus....but they have zero obligation to run after you if you want a divorce...
No one who ever experienced Gods true love would ever want a divorce.

All I can fathom is you have never experienced it, thats why you can not comprehend it..

but I will not judge, Only go off what I see.


you seem to state the opposite...That Father and Jesus attach a ball and chain to us....this is the greatest lie of eternal security...that your free choice is removed once you accept the free gift...or rose the lie that says...yeah that guy he was never "REALLY" saved...this is bad scholarship of 1 John....
Nope. I believe Gods love is so great and so powerful so wonderful and so unimaginal that anyone who has ever truly experienced it will never want to walk away from it.


and by the way, John said they were never saved, (they were never of us), Your argument is with him, not me..



I do not believe anyone can lose salvation, but I do know the Bible teaches me that people have, will and continue to divorce Father and Son....this does not change Father or Son or their free gift...they are looking down at the divorce decree and with heavy heart and wet eyes...wait....
What is the difference? it is still lost. it is still something someone had, then they no longer have it, by their own actions of what you call "giving it back" they lost it.



Works do not maintain or keep salvation, nor does Father and SOn kidnap you once you believe....the one thing that is a fact of the new covenant is that it is based as all 7 other Bible covenants....on free choice....and that is something you guys like to take away and why you are called Calvinists and other things....

Wrong dude, the Abraham covenant was not on free choice, it was based on Gods promise.

Mans choice could not stop Israel from becoming a nation, Mans choice could not stop it from getting its land, Mans choice could not stop it from giving birth to the savior. and mans choice can not stop God from fulfilling his promise of all the world being blessed by the seed of Abraham (the new covenant).


Your excuse: that a person was not really saved has left a mountain of busted, disgusted, battered, tattered, bloodied, muddied, torn, forlorn corpses across the body of Christ.....that think they are hopelessly lost.....
if they think they are hopelessly lost, then they must still believe in Jesus, which means your view that they have fallen because they now reject Jesus and do not even believe he exists has been a false view all along.


second, I gave my view yesterday, I in fact gave two possibilities, Only one of which they were never saved. So again, You have slandered me, Do you ever get sick of sinning my friend? I have no problem discussing the word with you out of love, But if your going to continue to slander me with your lies.. We can have no discussion..




This excuse is talked about in Prov 30.20 and fits the excuse perfectly as you all judge people....

This is the way of an adulterous woman:
She eats and wipes her mouth,
And says, “I have done no wrong.”
Well here we go again, Your lies and your hate has twisted you into this person that can not fathom anything I say anymore.

You think I would say I have done no wrong? Unlike others, I do not think I can hide from God, when I make a mistake, I go to him because he is my abba father, I do not have to hide my sin from him, I openly confess my sin.

Your arguing against a doctrine which you think I believe, you are not trying to discuss my view at all.. Yesterday you correctly said we need to stop using key words like OSAS and WORKS, because it is preventing us from having real conversation, yet here you are going against your own advice and arguing a doctrine and view you think I believe, and not what I really think.

by the way, i di dnot condemn that persons family member to hell yesterday like you said I did. Are you ever going to apologize for your slander?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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hmmm so we are not to workout our salvation ? hmmm ok so what does this instruction mean then..2Therefore, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not only in my presence, but now even more in my absence, continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling. 13For it is God who works in you to will and to act on behalf of His good pleasure.…



Perhaps you can show me diffrent ?

Paul told us to work out the salvation we possess, Not work to earn it

the actual greek word translated work out is a mining term, it means to take what is buried in the ground, Mine it, Then use it for what it was intended to be used for.

 
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Who is "you all"? I have not said that anybody gives another license to sin. My post was against the idea that those here who believe in and rely on and live by the grace and mercy of Christ do not view the weakness of the flesh as a license to sin.

Who gives them self license to sin? The person who sins. Who sins? Everyone. Who asks for forgiveness of their sins? Sinners who repent of their sins. All sins but one are already forgiven for the one who repents. I do see both sides of the issue, and take exception to those who preach that Jesus can lose those that are given to Him, when He said He would not let any slip/be snatched from His hands.
Yep you are correct I mis-read your post as Ariel pointed out...my apologies..
 

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ive only repeated what is written in the bible,,

you need to take the log out of your own eye.. And whilst your at change your name coz theres nothing royal about declaring You can not grow in scripture .. still waiting for you to repent of this..

this could be your chance for some royal redeeming quality... :rolleyes:

anyway im of out got christian duties to do goodbye hope you fall out of your delusion too
Jimbo calm down a take deep breaths.

You are better than your post, we all know you are.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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We are preaching correctly because now you all are saying we are giving you licenses to sin....

Those that state grace is a license to sin usually have only a very small understanding of the totality of grace....and can only understand saving grace and apply it one-dimensionally to their salvation and have no revelation of the manifold grace of God...

smh,, You did not understand what she was saying at all. I recommend you take a break man,, you are at the point you can not understand anything a person is trying to say.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Oh we cannot know a persons heart today!?!?

but all day, yesterday, you claim you can tell when someone was not really saved in the church :rolleyes:

The fact your own hypocrisy eludes you is cause for much Godly concern....this is the early warning signs of a deluded, double minded man...being tossed to and fro not sure what to believe in.....
smh,,

Can someone please try to show this man he does not have an understanding of anythign I am saying,, I am trying to love this man like PennEd said I should, but it is getting very difficult when all this mad does is slander and attack..
 

stonesoffire

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smh,,

Can someone please try to show this man he does not have an understanding of anythign I am saying,, I am trying to love this man like PennEd said I should, but it is getting very difficult when all this mad does is slander and attack..
Listen EG...there is no condemnation anymore upon His body. Don't take the comments personal. If they are wrong, it's against Jesus not you. That alone frees us to love others. I have my troubles too with it, but we have Holy Spirit as our helper. So rest back into Him, take upon you His mantle...His wholeness...and relax.

God is with us all. We may be different streams but we all lead back to the River of life.
 
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another contradiction ...., several weeks ago and all through this thread, you stated fruit was not any proof of salvation and it does not matter if they bear fruit or not, because a dead apple tree is still an apple tree whether they bear fruit or not...you G7 and DCOn alll say this.....you even called people who advocated that fruit bearing must be immediate in a baby christian as fruit-inspectors...and condemning people.....

but today...

you change your story again and tell us fruit bearing must be immediate....
You are making us sea sick with your double minded ways....

When you get it truly figured out, let us know....
OMG, Do you hate me that much dude?

You are making a complete and utter fool of yourself, all because you have a vendetta against me. How stupid is that? do you not see what you are doing?

Saying fruit is not PROOF of salvation does not mean there should be no fruit at all.

I have said 1000 times a person who is saved, out of the result of that salvation will prpduce fruit.

You want to keep up this nonsense, I will report you, and suggest everyone else does too.. Your war is not going to gain you any brownie points, and if you think it is going to hurt me, You do not know me at all (well I think that has actually already been proven with most of your posts today)
 
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wow, you are making me dizzy with all your non-stop slop....the hope is Christ in you ace...confirmed by the Holy Spirit...

and you call us workers for salvation!?!?!?

Your making me dizzy with your hate, You have lost the ability to make any sense.

Why do you not just put me on ignore.. it is obvious I have a negative impact on you and have done something to make you mad..

 
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Your right, I have a one dimensional view, Christ is my view. Christ is my hope. Christ is my focus, And Christ is my shepherd. When I stray, he comes and gets me, and being his sheep. I hear his voice and I follow.

You have what I call a two dimensional view. It is not just on Christ, But on yourself.

God gave abraham a covenant of Grace Abraham was not even awake when God confirmed it, And God did not give Abraham any conditions, He said I WILL.

That is the new covenant, It replaces the old covenant, which says if you do these things, I will do those things. That covenant was double ended, It depended on God, and the person having the ability to do what God demanded.

What did God demand?

"Confirm and OBEY EVER WORD written in this law"




No one who ever experienced Gods true love would ever want a divorce.

All I can fathom is you have never experienced it, thats why you can not comprehend it..

but I will not judge, Only go off what I see.




Nope. I believe Gods love is so great and so powerful so wonderful and so unimaginal that anyone who has ever truly experienced it will never want to walk away from it.


and by the way, John said they were never saved, (they were never of us), Your argument is with him, not me..





What is the difference? it is still lost. it is still something someone had, then they no longer have it, by their own actions of what you call "giving it back" they lost it.





Wrong dude, the Abraham covenant was not on free choice, it was based on Gods promise.

Mans choice could not stop Israel from becoming a nation, Mans choice could not stop it from getting its land, Mans choice could not stop it from giving birth to the savior. and mans choice can not stop God from fulfilling his promise of all the world being blessed by the seed of Abraham (the new covenant).




if they think they are hopelessly lost, then they must still believe in Jesus, which means your view that they have fallen because they now reject Jesus and do not even believe he exists has been a false view all along.


second, I gave my view yesterday, I in fact gave two possibilities, Only one of which they were never saved. So again, You have slandered me, Do you ever get sick of sinning my friend? I have no problem discussing the word with you out of love, But if your going to continue to slander me with your lies.. We can have no discussion..






Well here we go again, Your lies and your hate has twisted you into this person that can not fathom anything I say anymore.

You think I would say I have done no wrong? Unlike others, I do not think I can hide from God, when I make a mistake, I go to him because he is my abba father, I do not have to hide my sin from him, I openly confess my sin.

Your arguing against a doctrine which you think I believe, you are not trying to discuss my view at all.. Yesterday you correctly said we need to stop using key words like OSAS and WORKS, because it is preventing us from having real conversation, yet here you are going against your own advice and arguing a doctrine and view you think I believe, and not what I really think.

by the way, i di dnot condemn that persons family member to hell yesterday like you said I did. Are you ever going to apologize for your slander?

You said someone was not saved yesterday and continued saying you knew when someone was not saved all day, yesterday.......then today tell us you do not know a persons heart only God does....

There are pages of documented posts by YOU, stating bearing fruit and works are not ever needed to prove you are a christian, and anyone expecting to see that is a fruit inspector and looking for evidence of salvation ....a apple tree is still an apple tree even if it is dead and produces no fruit...you state this and agree with others that state it and have for pages and pages......


BUT today...........

you state both works and bearing fruit must be immediate in the life of a Christian....even a baby christian...


Now you can huff and puff my house down all you want to, but a word of advice is in order here....clean up your own house before huffing and puffing others down....
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Listen EG...there is no condemnation anymore upon His body. Don't take the comments personal. If they are wrong, it's against Jesus not you. That alone frees us to love others. I have my troubles too with it, but we have Holy Spirit as our helper. So rest back into Him, take upon you His mantle...His wholeness...and relax.

God is with us all. We may be different streams but we all lead back to the River of life.

if you see a brother sin, You call him out on it in a non judgmental way.

If you see a brother sin and let him continue in that sin, You have enabled the sin of your bother.

One of the problems in CC is people are too afraid to call others out when they are in blatant sin.

Other than that I agree with you, As I said earlier, He can not affect me and his lies can not hurt me,, But they do hurt the testimony of God in a christian chatroom.
 

stonesoffire

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Is it a sin to state what one believes when it's not quite in agreement with our own thought EG?

We can only say what we believe.

Also, do we really need to defentd the one who is the only defender of all truth?

Holy Spirit is the helper of all who are born again. We aren't. We should be able to compare things if we are one with His body...and be open to hear exactly what is said.

But, not all are there yet. I can say it...but can I live it? Only if I remain in the Spirit.

I love you EG...really I do. And DCon...I love the way you stand for the foundation of the truth of Jesus.
 
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smh,,

Can someone please try to show this man he does not have an understanding of anythign I am saying,, I am trying to love this man like PennEd said I should, but it is getting very difficult when all this mad does is slander and attack..
nobody is coming to the aide of a double minded man that is unstable in all his ways as you are...your denial is pathological and you need help....

You think I have not encountered people like you before...that think you are all it, that can mow down others and then hide behind the word and act like they've e done nothing wrong...

The truth about what I have posted about you today is on display for all to see...your a little boy crying wolf in this post....because until now, nobody on this site, would get in your face about your duplicity and own slander and, malice and rage...

The sooner you start owning yourself the sooner you will be free....