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grace is the influencing power of the Spirit upon the sincerely repented heart to live righteously, godly, and soberly in this PRESENT world............be blessed
More falsehood......here in this post....

One must be saved and learn HOW to walk before they can WALK....GRACE SUPERCEDES this process.....man you really miss the mark more than an archer with no vanes on the arrows he flings......geesh
 
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No, grace is the power of God to salvation to all who believe,

the HS and power of God in a believers heart is the power of influence which causes a truly repentant heart to learn to bcomchristlike in the PRESENT world, and by it be blessed.
tic tac toe , has anyone counted, the post these two post,to each other, in agreement to each other.(cahoot)


why would you need to back up dc posts.
if he believes in grace,

repentant heart, to live in the present world.

18 For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor.Galatians 2

must be something to do with .....................................................................

rejection is a two way street. your own judgement , can lead to being rejected, then the question, would be from who.
 
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I get, I get it!
One has to earn grace...

Wait a minute....
How can one earn unmerited favour....
Amen.....not to mention that one must be saved first to understand the word and then GROW AND LEARN how to walk....GRACE SUPERCEDES THIS PROCESS....workers for and sinless perfectionists are missing the mark like a man with a gun that has a warped barrel and no sights......
 
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like I said in another thread, anyone who teaches grace is now a HG believer, dude, DC des NT teach more sin equals more grace, so please get off your legalistic high horse.
Amen.......and thanks for acknowledging that I do not teach and or believe that at all...........people assume because I (we) ackniwledge what the bible states about sin in a believer that we believe or teach we can live like the "debil" Bobby Bouche......fires me right up!
 

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Who is Willybob, I went back 11 pages to find his post and became weary of the search.

Never said nor implied that....go back to school and learn how to read and or English structure....then come back, read my post and be honest with the words and verbiage....especially the quoted verses!
Originally Posted by willybob

Like all HGs, you have no clue what grace actually is....If you think more sin causes more grace you are even more deceived than I thought...Deceived people don't know they are deceived, that the horror of it. God said STRONG delusion, not just ordinary delusion buddy....it appears by your own words that you have indeed perfected the works of sin (sinful perfectionist).........try presenting your filthy rags on judgment day and see how well that works when they are weight in the balance and found wanting.........





 
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At least not deceived forever. But ultimately, in the end, the believer who falls away from the faith does so out of a willful, conscious decision to do so. Somewhere along the way he/she CHOOSES to walk away from trust in Christ. Deceived saints can be restored. Willful Christ rejectors can not. [/FONT][/SIZE]
I will say it one more time....this is IMPOSSIBLE...

Jesus SAVES to the uttermost
We are KEPT by the power of God
He begins and finshes our faith
He completes what he started
We are sealed to the day of redemption
We are in His hand and the Father's hand
Nothing shall seperate us from his love
He will Lose NOTHING that has been given unto him

For salvation to be lost or forfeit the above must be swept under the rug, denied and or rejected......WE ARE KEPT BY HIS POWER....all who say salvation can be lost are in error....regardless of those who deny the above foundational truths!!
 
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Originally Posted by mailmandan

Amen! As greek scholar AT Robertson points out in Matthew 24:24 - These charlatans will be so skilful that they will, if possible (ei dunaton), lead astray the very elect. The implication is that it is not possible.


grace from ,a different year and time , yet some would return to asking, what at robertson, would say. small problem you have. when reading anything, would it be a major factor of knowing all facts, before you make a conclusion. would you say asking some one to confirm the logic, they present, so that you could have, some idea, to the bible facts. they try to present.
god is not interested in lairs prospective, they will never be able to get, them self out,the judgement, of the stone the builder rejected as worthless ,trap.

24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
if possible, another one of those words or phrases that people ignore or twist.

It is sad people will just not take God at his word,

even when, you have been asked, to give scripture , chapter and verse for repenting.

strange thing ,context to scripture, even when asked to authenticate or debunk, they think silence , is peace.

24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
 
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No, not true, cause I teach grace.

Aannd no, Dcon doesn't teach grace that way, either.

He teaches the current grace covers it all, right? Even future sins.....
What do the words SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD mean? Obviously you don't know!
 
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well Stephen, didn't Jesus die for all the world? You want to call that hyper grace? Maybe so but scripture calls it abounding doesn't it?

I wouldn't insult grace if you view hypergrace as evil, if I were you.
Pretty clear that Jesus died for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD....that means every sin ever committed from Adam to the last one by whomever it is tbay commits it......he did not die for half of the sins or 75% of the sins....
 
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A sincerely repented heart will show the proper fruit.....

Don't you know anything about fruit bearing?
from what law , gives you a sincerely repented heart.

you live in the usa, do you need to repent, from the laws your county makes.

strange thing context ,
 

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WE ARE KEPT BY HIS POWER....all who say salvation can be lost are in error....regardless of those who deny the above foundational truths!!
Amen, preach it brother dcon!

"For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters." Romans8:29
 
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Yup....it is all there.

It seems to be the side effects of

insisting on proof
insisting on work as part of salvation,
insisting His grace is not sufficient,
insisting the cross is not enough,
insisting belief/faith is not enough,
insisting one must maintain a repentant heart
insisting the work of the cross is not finished
insisting on sin confession (believed to be requesting more forgiveness)
insisting eternal life can be forsaken or lost


Where the focus is on SELF and the works/failures of others....so it is to be expected
Amen....seems very obvious hey.......we point entirely to Jesus and give all glory to God for what he has done and is doing...the flip side is obvious and who gets the glory....!
 
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Stunned, Jesus was under the law, and fulfilling it by His life. He was showing how evil the natural man is without His presence within us.
Many fail to acknowledge that the words of Jesus must be interpreted under the light of the fact that he was born, lived and died UNDER THE LAW which ratified the NEW COVENANT...The same covenant that PAUL covers extensively and of the which we are UNDER.....the covenant of GRACE!
 
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David also got it wrong a lot and big time and it cost lives.
He should have actually been killed for some of the stuff that he did.

But we find God loved him because David was a man after his own heart (Gods that is)
And many miss the awesome painting of the innocent son of David paying the price for the sin of David <----a type of JESUS.......

Remember the beggar--->>Thou son of David have mercy on me!!!
 
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Amen.......and thanks for acknowledging that I do not teach and or believe that at all...........people assume because I (we) ackniwledge what the bible states about sin in a believer that we believe or teach we can live like the "debil" Bobby Bouche......fires me right up!
when was sin present in a new covenant.

18 For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor.Galatians 2

if one sin committed in the old covenant breaks all the law.
how do you get forgiveness , with no temple of stone, and no jesus to put back, on the cross.
your running out of options, to context.


what was tore down, before you first believed. and what did human logic teach you, to rebuild.
would that explain the flood of posts, to give justification to free will past or next committed mistakes that you label as sin.
yet do not live isreal
 
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This is interesting, it explains why there is a failure to communicate.

The debt for sin is paid, grace does not cover sins, grace is the operative essence of God in our lives to free us from sin, that is why we are under grace


No, not true, cause I teach grace.

Aannd no, Dcon doesn't teach grace that way, either.

He teaches the current grace covers it all, right? Even future sins.....
 
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Who is Willybob, I went back 11 pages to find his post and became weary of the search.



Originally Posted by willybob

Like all HGs, you have no clue what grace actually is....If you think more sin causes more grace you are even more deceived than I thought...Deceived people don't know they are deceived, that the horror of it. God said STRONG delusion, not just ordinary delusion buddy....it appears by your own words that you have indeed perfected the works of sin (sinful perfectionist).........try presenting your filthy rags on judgment day and see how well that works when they are weight in the balance and found wanting.........






​post 27886 a few pages back

Like all HGs, you have no clue what grace actually is....If you think more sin causes more grace you are even more deceived than I thought...Deceived people don't know they are deceived, that the horror of it. God said STRONG delusion, not just ordinary delusion buddy....it appears by your own words that you have indeed perfected the works of sin (sinful perfectionist).........try presenting your filthy rags on judgment day and see how well that works when they are weight in the balance and found wanting.........
 
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How does Jesus take our Place at the second Judgement, when he is the one doing the judging?


John 5.21-23

[SUP]21 [/SUP]For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son also gives life to whom He wishes. [SUP]22 [/SUP]For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son, [SUP]23 [/SUP]so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.
Imagine for a second....the one who judges and rewards us is also the same one who died for us and mediates for us..!!!!
 
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Anger is not sin, and anger is not murder, anger against brother is like murder yes, but there is justifiable anger. Jesus turned over tables of money changers in anger, if all anger is sin we are doomed.
Amen....BE YE ANGRY and sin not.......Anger is biblical....when properly focused and for the right reason...!