Not By Works

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A more accurate question would have been: who are THEY? But you are one of THEM. Perhaps you misunderstand Scripture so completely that YOU think Jesus makes mistakes. A proper understanding of Scripture would never entertain such an idea.
Sigh.

YOU misunderstand if you think Jesus sent an UNBELIEVER to preach the world of God.

Seems to me YOU are saying Jesus made the mistake.

Love how you like to twist things around...
 

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Originally Posted by FranC

Those who do works in His name are not clean...you say?

Not even the ones Jesus Himself picks?
So now you're saying Jesus makes mistakes???

He sent a non-believer to preach the word of God?



Joh 13:10 Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.

read the next verse yourself. You should really try reading the Bible more. Less thinking what it might say.
 

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Well, did Jesus know or not Fran? Who's right? You or Dcon, and Magenta?
 
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It does no good to give you the verse...you will reject it and make some snide comment.....your problem is simple...you cannot, nor will you receive any verse that contradicts your stance.......Jesus states clearly that he chose the 12 and ONE WAS A DEVIL and that one is called the SON OF PERDITION and a THIEF WHO HOLDS THE BAG.....He was chosen as a LOST MAN ON PURPOSE to fulfill Scripture and SELL JESUS OUT FOR 30 SILVERS ........
I love to discuss scripture.
But you'd rather proclaim ---
 
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well that explains alot then,anyone can simply "read" the bible and go and just claim to be self approved but to "Truly" understand God's word you need God for the interpretation of his word which is not limited to simply the bible but what God has spoken,"for in the beginning was the word and the word was God" it's easy to just,read,hear,then teach,but if you don't have God by way of the holy spirit for answers then you've still yet to learn God's word,you've barely begun learning.
I don't CLAIM TO BE SELF-APPROVED.
I don't even know what that means.

I'm not here to "teach" as some are.
I came here to share with other Christians.
I have found some on some threads.

My goal in life is to follow Jesus as He is my Lord.

Oddly enough, I do know the bible well enough to have taught it.
Go figure.
Now I'll be accused of not being humble.
Just thought you should know that I do kind of understand it really well.
 
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well that explains alot then,anyone can simply "read" the bible and go and just claim to be self approved but to "Truly" understand God's word you need God for the interpretation of his word which is not limited to simply the bible but what God has spoken,"for in the beginning was the word and the word was God" it's easy to just,read,hear,then teach,but if you don't have God by way of the holy spirit for answers then you've still yet to learn God's word,you've barely begun learning.
Thanks Joe.

YOU know if I have the Holy §Spirit or not?

We do have some really judgemental persons here.

Did you know that we can judge a person's actions or behavior,
but we cannot judge their soul. Only God can do that.

So, you know the bible really well --- did you know that??
 
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Matthew 4

1Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
5Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
6And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
7Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
8Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 11Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.


'not by works'

It is written:






Revelation 22


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And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.







Be careful not to confuse the verses that Teach the New Testament in place of the Old and all its required works.








2 Peter 3

4Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. 15And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16As also in all hisepistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they doalso the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 17Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. 18But grow in grace, and inthe knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.










THIS is from the NEW TESTAMENT:
You need to study the bible better. I think, really, that you missed some important parts.
I think it's interesting how we only read what we want to know.


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Galatians 6:9-10

Let us not lose heart in doing good, for in due time we will reap if we do not grow weary. So then, while we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, and especially to those who are of the household of the faith.




Matthew 5:38-48

"You have heard that it was said, 'AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.' "But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. "If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also.




Luke 6:27-36

"But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. "Whoever hits you on the cheek, offer him the other also; and whoever takes away your coat, do not withhold your shirt from him either.




1 Peter 3:8-13

To sum up, all of you be harmonious, sympathetic, brotherly, kindhearted, and humble in spirit; not returning evil for evil or insult for insult, but giving a blessing instead; for you were called for the very purpose that you might inherit a blessing. For, "THE ONE WHO DESIRES LIFE, TO LOVE AND SEE GOOD DAYS, MUST KEEP HIS TONGUE FROM EVIL AND HIS LIPS FROM SPEAKING DECEIT.


Psalm 34:12-16

Who is the man who desires life And loves length of days that he may see good? Keep your tongue from evil And your lips from speaking deceit. Depart from evil and do good; Seek peace and pursue it.



Hebrews 13:16

And do not neglect doing good and sharing, for with such sacrifices God is pleased.




1 Peter 2:20

For what credit is there if, when you sin and are harshly treated, you endure it with patience? But if when you do what is right and suffer for it you patiently endure it, this finds favor with God.



1 Peter 3:17

For it is better, if God should will it so, that you suffer for doing what is right rather than for doing what is wrong.



John 5:28-29

"Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.



Luke 6:35

"But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men.




Romans 2:5-11

But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS: to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life;




1 Timothy 6:17-19

Instruct those who are rich in this present world not to be conceited or to fix their hope on the uncertainty of riches, but on God, who richly supplies us with all things to enjoy. Instruct them to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous and ready to share, storing up for themselves the treasure of a good foundation for the future, so that they may take hold of that which is life indeed.





2 Timothy 2:20-21

Now in a large house there are not only gold and silver vessels, but also vessels of wood and of earthenware, and some to honor and some to dishonor. Therefore, if anyone cleanses himself from these things, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified, useful to the Master, prepared for every good work.



James 2:14-21

What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and be filled," and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that?




James 3:13

Who among you is wise and understanding? Let him show by his good behavior his deeds in the gentleness of wisdom.





2 Corinthians 9:8

And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that always having all sufficiency in everything, you may have an abundance for every good deed;



Acts 9:36

Now in Joppa there was a disciple named Tabitha (which translated in Greek is called Dorcas); this woman was abounding with deeds of kindness and charity which she continually did.




Philippians 2:12-13

So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.





Colossians 1:10-12

so that you will walk in a manner worthy of the Lord, to please Him in all respects, bearing fruit in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God; strengthened with all power, according to His glorious might, for the attaining of all steadfastness and patience; joyously giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified us to share in the inheritance of the saints in Light.




Ephesians 2:10

For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.




2 Timothy 2:21

Therefore, if anyone cleanses himself from these things, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified, useful to the Master, prepared for every good work.



2 Timothy 3:16-17

All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.




1 Peter 2:13-15

Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether to a king as the one in authority, or to governors as sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and the praise of those who do right. For such is the will of God that by doing right you may silence the ignorance


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Please not HOW MANY TIMES the word WORKS is spoken of in the NEW TESTAMENT.
 
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Works is getting a work out.

I hope it works out ok
 
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faith is the evidence of things not seen,the substance of things hoped for,when I speak of was my post "All me" I refer to that though I be the one pushing buttons on my phone I am not alone,there is one whom leads me to what to say and brings to reminder scriptures I have read,letting go of what one knows and making room for the holy spirit is more enlightening than what any mere teacher upon this earth can teach.
This is a very interesting concept.

Only one problem.

If the Holy Spirit is guiding everyone,
How come we all have different ideas?
 
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Well said...

We are just as dependent on the Holy Spirit to reveal Jesus to us in scripture as Mary as dependent on the Holy Spirit to conceive Jesus in her womb.

The disciples lived with Jesus for over 3 years and He told them in some form or other 17 times that He was going to die - but they still didn't understand it.

Reading the scriptures through an "Old Covenant lens" as Paul talked about in 2 Cor. 3:14-15 will always miss the spiritual realities that are in the New Covenant. You can't mix the 2 of them just as Jesus talked about in the old wine skins and new wine - old shirt and new patch.

To read the scriptures with the natural mind brings strange doctrines of self-works for salvation, observing days and feasts instead of Christ Himself and things like these.

It creates "popes" and religion and a humanistic approach to the scriptures and creates a D.I.Y. self-righteousness and traditions of men which actually nullify the grace of Christ from operating in our lives like it was meant to.

Great post.

Colossians 2:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world,
rather than according to Christ.
You never answered me grace.
You have no answer?
Questions are getting too difficult for you?

You just like to post and not discuss?
How come?
 

stonesoffire

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3rd time..


Originally Posted by FranC

Those who do works in His name are not clean...you say?

Not even the ones Jesus Himself picks?
So now you're saying Jesus makes mistakes???

He sent a non-believer to preach the word of God?



Joh 13:10 Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.

read the next verse yourself. You should really try reading the Bible more. Less thinking what it might say.
 
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I challenge you Fran, to find one post that says what you just said. I could call this lies, but I really try to be polite. Get my drift?
So when YOU
don't agree with ME
you're lying????

I see.

MANY TIMES it has been stated here by Grace, Dcon, MMD, UD and yourself, that JESUS WORKS THROUGH US.

Many times I have brought up the theological problem with this.

Which is:

IF JESUS DOES IT ALL, THEN HE IS RESPONSIBLE WHEN WE SIN AND FAIL.

Now, if you don't understand that, you could think it over till you do.
 
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Joh 13:10 Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.

read the next verse yourself. You should really try reading the Bible more. Less thinking what it might say.
Sigh.....


The verse you post is at the END OF JESUS' ministry when Judas was going to betray Him.


Is this really that difficult to understand?
No wonder you have incorrect theology.
You should read the bible more and REALLY try to understand it better.
It would behoove you.
 

stonesoffire

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So when YOU
don't agree with ME
you're lying????

I see.

MANY TIMES it has been stated here by Grace, Dcon, MMD, UD and yourself, that JESUS WORKS THROUGH US.

Many times I have brought up the theological problem with this.

Which is:

IF JESUS DOES IT ALL, THEN HE IS RESPONSIBLE WHEN WE SIN AND FAIL.

Now, if you don't understand that, you could think it over till you do.
This you just said is a rant of anger. Nothing pertains to what I said. I asked you to present any post that you state any of us have said any of those things you accuse us of. Try to stay focused please.
 
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Boot camp in the Marines is not for wimps. ;)
I went to navy boot camp, them field medical service training in camp Johnson NC, I think the field training was harder than boot camp.
 
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Well, did Jesus know or not Fran? Who's right? You or Dcon, and Magenta?
JESUS WAS RIGHT.

He picked Judas.
He trusted Judas.
Judas was saved.
At the end of the ministry, Judas decided to help Jesus along (Like Sarah did and make another mess)
Jesus knew Judas would betray Him by now.
Judas MIGHT have been lost at this point.
Who could know for sure?
Maybe he asked forgiveness while he was hanging on the tree.
Or falling off that bridge.

After all, everyone here agrees that we could be saved at the very last moment.

SO, how could you be SO SURE that Judas was really lost???

You do present many theological problem, don't you?