Not By Works

[joefizz]

no concerning God's word I stick to "Truth"if you interpret my posts otherwise,then so be it,I simply was answering questions through the holy spirit,I was not "railing" on anyone as some tend to do,my purpose is only to serve God with answering questions about his word,particularly "salvation" and "baptism" I focus upon when someone "requests" to "learn",I by no means choose anyone's side or "force" anyone to believe as I believe,for this is "wrong" and I "detest" such foolishness anyways,everyone has "choices" to make,my role mainly is to "answer" when someone has a question regarding God's word,tell people of "salvation" and "baptism" but only if they "request" to learn,and I'm especially glad to be able to answer through the holy spirit,I know not why only now God has given me his spirit so abundantly,but as his servant I will do what I can for him by "helping" whom seek him come to him,just as with Fran I have spent a few times of lack of sleep to answer her questions,just like this morning I took "time" to speak with her not out of malicious intent but rather compassion even though it was 5 to 6 am and I had work at 8am and got no sleep(already couldn't sleep)but since there was reason to answer through the holy spirit,I simply did,for though I was ragged I sought to do God's will,which is why I frequent so many times here as well as other sites,to be there for "anyone" who seeks to learn God's word,and especially if they wish to become closer with God.(my dear debate partner Fran as always you may format this post for me,I always appreciate it,just as I really look forward to your posts,they really are quite interesting,the tougher the question the more I feel compelled to answer,despite how I may sound at times,[every once in a while I know I sound sarcastic,but don't take that for mocking,I do respect your views,I just sometimes speak too quickly on some topics,which I'm trying to keep from such quick wit,noone is beyond correction including me of course,so I now leave most of what I say to God,especially concerning serious topics like,God's word]well I'll discuss with you later,God bless you!)

ok back to my "original" purpose for coming to this thread again,Fran I was wondering if you saw this post because I know many people seem to "rail"'on you,and I wanted to tell you that I don't do that sort of thing despite sometimes sounding perhaps witty at times.

ok once more Fran did you see my first post above?
thought you might appreciate the sentiment.

 

[FranC]

Yes again Fran; and one might ask why didn't Jesus just tell all this new-age magical mushy grace theology to the rich young ruler? But no He didn't do that, and the rich young ruler walked away sorrowful...be blessed
Y

Great Point WB !!

Jesus said what had to be said,
He was not lukewarm.
Like the churches that teach fluffy stuff to get them filled up by people who do not want to hear about works.
Which is what Jesus spoke about ---

 

[FranC]

In speaking about "Greek" and Greek scholars - I find this hilarious.

There are Greek scholars that believe in speaking in tongues or healing and other subjects and there are Greek scholars who don't believe in it.

The hilarious part is that both groups use their "knowledge of Greek to prove their points."

Then they get into this "My Greek scholar is better than your Greek scholar and more "well-known" and accepted. ( Which usually means more accepted in their own ranks that believe the same things they do. )

We are just as dependent on the Holy Spirit to reveal Christ and what He has already done in His finished work on the cross and resurrection in the scriptures as Mary was dependent on the Holy Spirit to conceive Jesus in her womb.

WHICH IS WHY WE SHOULDN'T BE DISCUSSING GREEK.

Thanks for agreeing with me.
It's rather refreshing.

 

[joefizz]

ok once more Fran did you see my first post above?
thought you might appreciate the sentiment.

am I on ignore?

 

[stonesoffire]

ok once more Fran did you see my first post above?
thought you might appreciate the sentiment.

I think she's going through the posts one by one. Where is your original,post Joe? Then find where she's responding and you will know how close she is to yours.

 

[joefizz]

I think she's going through the posts one by one. Where is your original,post Joe? Then find where she's responding and you will know how close she is to yours.

well I quoted the original twice,but I get what you mean,that does make sense.

 

[stonesoffire]

well I quoted the original twice,but I get what you mean,that does make sense.

Im looking but so far no luck. Will keep looking.

 

[FranC]

There. Now we have an honest statement.

Do you guys have to change the meanings of everything?!?

BELIEF IS OBEDIENCE.

Can I leave now?

Did I just hear a loud cheer???

 

[joefizz]

no concerning God's word I stick to "Truth"if you interpret my posts otherwise,then so be it,I simply was answering questions through the holy spirit,I was not "railing" on anyone as some tend to do,my purpose is only to serve God with answering questions about his word,particularly "salvation" and "baptism" I focus upon when someone "requests" to "learn",I by no means choose anyone's side or "force" anyone to believe as I believe,for this is "wrong" and I "detest" such foolishness anyways,everyone has "choices" to make,my role mainly is to "answer" when someone has a question regarding God's word,tell people of "salvation" and "baptism" but only if they "request" to learn,and I'm especially glad to be able to answer through the holy spirit,I know not why only now God has given me his spirit so abundantly,but as his servant I will do what I can for him by "helping" whom seek him come to him,just as with Fran I have spent a few times of lack of sleep to answer her questions,just like this morning I took "time" to speak with her not out of malicious intent but rather compassion even though it was 5 to 6 am and I had work at 8am and got no sleep(already couldn't sleep)but since there was reason to answer through the holy spirit,I simply did,for though I was ragged I sought to do God's will,which is why I frequent so many times here as well as other sites,to be there for "anyone" who seeks to learn God's word,and especially if they wish to become closer with God.(my dear debate partner Fran as always you may format this post for me,I always appreciate it,just as I really look forward to your posts,they really are quite interesting,the tougher the question the more I feel compelled to answer,despite how I may sound at times,[every once in a while I know I sound sarcastic,but don't take that for mocking,I do respect your views,I just sometimes speak too quickly on some topics,which I'm trying to keep from such quick wit,noone is beyond correction including me of course,so I now leave most of what I say to God,especially concerning serious topics like,God's word]well I'll discuss with you later,God bless you!)

it is post #28882 Fran sorry sorry for not telling that,wasn't thinking about it.

 

[stonesoffire]

Joe, look around 29528

 

[stonesoffire]

it is post #28882 Fran sorry sorry for not telling that,wasn't thinking about it.

It will be a while till she sees yours Joe.

 

[joefizz]

It will be a while till she sees yours Joe.

I have something to do anyways,be back in around 30 minutes or so.

 

[stonesoffire]

Joe, look around 29528

drat. Made a mistake. Back to looking.

 

[stonesoffire]

I have something to do anyways,be back in around 30 minutes or so.

Ok. I need to say good night. Hope you catch her.

 

[FranC]

What's the difference between salvation and being in the Kingdom?

We all know what salvation is.
John 3:1-6
Jesus is explaining to Nicodemus what it means to be born from above, or to be born again in the spirit.
We're born once physically, of water, ** dead to God, and then we can be born also spiritually.

In John 3:3 Jesus tells N that unless a person is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God.

So the Kingdom must be a real thing that exists right here and now.

Jesus is the King of the Kingdom.
He rules it.
It's a place, a dimension of love, understanding and living with God. Not like heaven because we cannot be that perfect since we're in our flesh, but this relationship with God does start here in THIS Kingdom.

ALL born again believers that adhere to the rules of Jesus belong to His Kingdom.
He describes it in every gospel and is the one thing He mostly talks about.

If one does NOT adhere to the rules, can he still belong to the Kingdom?

No.
Why?

Can a person who does not obey God go to heaven?
Can an unbeliever in what Jesus taught go to heaven?
Can a disrupter of heaven be allowed in?

NO to all three.

So, Salvation is getting saved.
And then we live in the Kingdom...
For as long as we want to stay there.

Our actions and our behavior are our sign as to whether or not we belong in the Kingdom of God.

IF we're born again, we will seek to please our King,
if we are not, we'll look for every reason NOT TO OBEY HIM.

The Kingdom is a real place.
We need only to read the gospels.
This is mostly what Jesus spoke of.

 

[FranC]

Matthew 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Matthew 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

Matthew 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Matthew 21:31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Mark 1:14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,

Mark 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

Mark 4:26 And he said, So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground;

Mark 4:30 And he said, Whereunto shall we liken the kingdom of God? or with what comparison shall we compare it?

Mark 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

Mark 9:47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

Mark 10:14 But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

Mark 10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.

Mark 10:23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!

Mark 10:24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!

Mark 10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Mark 12:34 And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.

Mark 14:25 Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.

Luke 4:43 And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.

Luke 6:20 And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.

Luke 7:28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.

Luke 8:1 And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him,

Luke 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.

Luke 9:11 And the people, when they knew it, followed him: and he received them, and spake unto them of the kingdom of God, and healed them that had need of healing.

Luke 9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

Luke 9:60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.

Luke 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.

Luke 10:9 And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.

Luke 10:11 Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.

Luke 11:20 But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.

Luke 12:31 But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Luke 13:18 Then said he, Unto what is the kingdom of God like? and whereunto shall I resemble it?

Luke 13:20 And again he said, Whereunto shall I liken the kingdom of God?

Luke 13:28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

Luke 13:29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.

Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Luke 18:16 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

Luke 18:17 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.

Luke 18:24 And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!

Luke 18:25 For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Luke 18:29 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or parents, or brethren, or wife, or children, for the kingdom of God's sake,

Luke 21:31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

Luke 22:16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.

Luke 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

I see less than fifty times. Truth twisting indeed. I am glad you finally see it.

Sorry Magenta,

You don't understand about the Kingdom either, do you?

I wonder if anybody on this thread does.

I know a couple do because I've heard from them.

I'm not wasting my time here with it for persons who are not interested.

For those who are, I've said where the posts will be.

 

[FranC]

Matthew 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Matthew 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

Matthew 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Matthew 21:31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Mark 1:14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,

Mark 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

Mark 4:26 And he said, So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground;

Mark 4:30 And he said, Whereunto shall we liken the kingdom of God? or with what comparison shall we compare it?

Mark 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

Mark 9:47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

Mark 10:14 But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

Mark 10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.

Mark 10:23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!

Mark 10:24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!

Mark 10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Mark 12:34 And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.

Mark 14:25 Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.

Luke 4:43 And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.

Luke 6:20 And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.

Luke 7:28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.

Luke 8:1 And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him,

Luke 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.

Luke 9:11 And the people, when they knew it, followed him: and he received them, and spake unto them of the kingdom of God, and healed them that had need of healing.

Luke 9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

Luke 9:60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.

Luke 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.

Luke 10:9 And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.

Luke 10:11 Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.

Luke 11:20 But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.

Luke 12:31 But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Luke 13:18 Then said he, Unto what is the kingdom of God like? and whereunto shall I resemble it?

Luke 13:20 And again he said, Whereunto shall I liken the kingdom of God?

Luke 13:28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

Luke 13:29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.

Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Luke 18:16 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

Luke 18:17 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.

Luke 18:24 And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!

Luke 18:25 For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Luke 18:29 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or parents, or brethren, or wife, or children, for the kingdom of God's sake,

Luke 21:31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

Luke 22:16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.

Luke 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

I see less than fifty times. Truth twisting indeed. I am glad you finally see it.

P.S.

Oh. Was that 50X you posted.

Oh well then.
It's MUCH MORE than 100X !!

 

[FranC]

It's something like a pear or an apple.
One of those fruits from one of those forbidden islands.....

Oh.
That's soooo much more romantic.
So sweet of you.

I thought it meant a tie.
Sounds like the Italian.
cravatta.

I like yours better.

 

[FranC]

She asked three times.....I thought you were smart enough to know the difference between a question and a statement!!

Cutie is back.
What a thrill it is to see you here at last.
Been waiting all day.

Let me ask you something serious, as you would say.

Can you not tell if someone is a JW?
I can.

Why ask someone if they're a JW when IT'S CLEAR that they're a born again Christian???

Is this the problem with your club members?
They can't even distinguish a Christian from a JW??!!

Mabye you could do some lessons.
I'm sure they'd listen to ya.

And the gals would be happy to attend.
You're sooooo cute.!

Can't get over it...
What a sinner.

 

[FranC]

She asked three times.....I thought you were smart enough to know the difference between a question and a statement!!

Oh my.

I thought you were smart enough to now the difference between a JW and a Christian.

That's MORE IMPORTANT than knowing the difference between a question and a statement.
But then again, my English is sooooo bad.

But my eyes are good and you're sooooooo cute.