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I was trusting in self to finish what was started in the Spirit and He still didn't abandon me or leave me there.
In fact, I only recently (maybe in this very thread, I don't remember) truly became what you would call OSAS. Prior to that, I thought I was abiding of my own self. I finally saw I wasn't. And yet, I walked with Him for over 10 years. It is really true that a small seed of faith grows into a huge tree of faith!
In fact, I only recently (maybe in this very thread, I don't remember) truly became what you would call OSAS. Prior to that, I thought I was abiding of my own self. I finally saw I wasn't. And yet, I walked with Him for over 10 years. It is really true that a small seed of faith grows into a huge tree of faith!
I've talked enough about me. I want to hear about someone elses struggles and what they're currently working out or perplexed by or what they're struggling in trust with or what He's shown them! I don't always have as much time in here any more so I want to hear about you guys more than I want to blab about myself. Always turns in
to blabbing about myself though...
to blabbing about myself though...
Not all eternal security adherents havent moved from sin conscienceness to righteousness minded. It actually strengthens eternal security to think what the Lord has created us to be rather than what we died to. More understanding is needed, and blindness, partial blindness needs removed. IMO.
As far as works based, this gets confused easily in both camps as to what kind of works are done. And to me security is lost. Again. MO.
Let me say this.
To walk away from pure love just cannot happen. If one turns back to sin, it speaks to me that there's an idol yet reigning. Does God leave us in this state when we are born of His very own seed? Spiritually within the heart of our being. And are we ever at rest in our soul? I say no. Eventually we will break for He will pursue us and literally cause us to see how much He loves, and won't let us go.That is how I see Him chastening. Also, a taste of spiritual living, and the miracles? What compares? Absolutely nothing!
I don't know if I can fully say...I thought continued and growing trust was necessary in order to not be cut off. And I still believe that.
Where my thinking on it has suddenly changed is that...I thought the remaining in trust was of me and now I see it never was. He was the one showing me where I wasn't trusting/abiding in a certain area. He was the one who began every struggle to more fully believe Him. And He is the one who continues to lead me into those struggles by showing me another area, then another, where I'm saying I'm trusting but then am not fully trusting.
I struggled a long time with fully trusting that He would not let me be on the street or living on a park bench because of my poverty. I still struggle in it sometimes. My mind and everything in me wants to listen to the world and believe that one day He may not give me enough. Everything in me seems to want to go the way of the world and worry that I only have enough stored for the day and so I'll be eating cat food in my old age.
EVERYTHING in me wants to store treasure on earth rather than listening to Him and trusting that He will send manna again tomorrow morning. EVERYTHING in me wants to do as Israel and disobey and not heed and collect more than enough for the day. EVERYTHING in me wants to insist I should do it and that it won't turn to worms.
Sometimes the clamor becomes too great and I just say: shut up! He knows what I need and I'm not to worry about tomorrow, what I'll eat, how I'll keep a roof over my head, HE is my security, not treasure stored on earth!
Where my thinking on it has suddenly changed is that...I thought the remaining in trust was of me and now I see it never was. He was the one showing me where I wasn't trusting/abiding in a certain area. He was the one who began every struggle to more fully believe Him. And He is the one who continues to lead me into those struggles by showing me another area, then another, where I'm saying I'm trusting but then am not fully trusting.
I struggled a long time with fully trusting that He would not let me be on the street or living on a park bench because of my poverty. I still struggle in it sometimes. My mind and everything in me wants to listen to the world and believe that one day He may not give me enough. Everything in me seems to want to go the way of the world and worry that I only have enough stored for the day and so I'll be eating cat food in my old age.
EVERYTHING in me wants to store treasure on earth rather than listening to Him and trusting that He will send manna again tomorrow morning. EVERYTHING in me wants to do as Israel and disobey and not heed and collect more than enough for the day. EVERYTHING in me wants to insist I should do it and that it won't turn to worms.
Sometimes the clamor becomes too great and I just say: shut up! He knows what I need and I'm not to worry about tomorrow, what I'll eat, how I'll keep a roof over my head, HE is my security, not treasure stored on earth!
Let me say this. To walk away from pure love just cannot happen. If one turns back to sin, it speaks to me that there's an idol yet reigning. Does God leave us in this state when we are born of His very own seed? Spiritually within the heart of our being. And are we ever at rest in our soul? I say no. Eventually we will break for He will pursue us and literally cause us to see how much He loves, and won't let us go.
That is how I see Him chastening. Also, a taste of spiritual living, and the miracles? What compares? Absolutely nothing!
To walk away from pure love just cannot happen. If one turns back to sin, it speaks to me that there's an idol yet reigning. Does God leave us in this state when we are born of His very own seed? Spiritually within the heart of our being. And are we ever at rest in our soul? I say no. Eventually we will break for He will pursue us and literally cause us to see how much He loves, and won't let us go.That is how I see Him chastening. Also, a taste of spiritual living, and the miracles? What compares? Absolutely nothing!
I agree that as we mature, we become more of a listener to Him, and as a result we will live our lives with God living in and through us. Participating in His Kingdom, in Him, and Him in our life.
But that comes out of His love for us. And yes then our love for Him, as a relationship in the Spirit.
Not from what we perceive our good works should be. God might have one thing for us to do, and one thing only, and if we fail at that one thing He still lets us live in His Kingdom. We may fail because we are so busy doing things that are not from Him, that we fail to listen. Who knows what the reason, but He doesn't kick us out!
People maintain that their works are of God all of the time, when they may not even be from God. I don't say STOP doing that work, it makes no difference to me. Just don't come at me saying I must do those works also, or else I am not a Christian, or I don't know my God. Especially when they don't know me, my heart, or what God's plan is for me.
But that comes out of His love for us. And yes then our love for Him, as a relationship in the Spirit.
Not from what we perceive our good works should be. God might have one thing for us to do, and one thing only, and if we fail at that one thing He still lets us live in His Kingdom. We may fail because we are so busy doing things that are not from Him, that we fail to listen. Who knows what the reason, but He doesn't kick us out!
People maintain that their works are of God all of the time, when they may not even be from God. I don't say STOP doing that work, it makes no difference to me. Just don't come at me saying I must do those works also, or else I am not a Christian, or I don't know my God. Especially when they don't know me, my heart, or what God's plan is for me.
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there is no such thing a positional righteousness, it was invented by men like Luther, and it can't be found anywhere in the text. Only manifest reality is true....one is righteous by simply doing what is right said the apostle John, and one is of the devil by partaking of sin..both are manifest realities which produce either good fruit or evil fruit ..be blessed