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After reading a beautiful piece referring to this:
Hebrews 11King James Version (KJV)
11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
20 By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.
21 By faith Jacob, when he was a dying, blessed both the sons of Joseph; and worshipped, leaning upon the top of his staff.
22 By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones.
23 By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment.
24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;
25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;
26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.
27 By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.
28 Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.
29 By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.
30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days.
31 By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.
32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:
33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions.
34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.
35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:
37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
38 (Of whom the world was not worthy they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.
39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
Faith and obedience...
We hear and obey GOD through our Lord and Saviour... Word mixed with Faith.
Hebrews 11King James Version (KJV)
11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
20 By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.
21 By faith Jacob, when he was a dying, blessed both the sons of Joseph; and worshipped, leaning upon the top of his staff.
22 By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones.
23 By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment.
24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;
25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;
26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.
27 By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.
28 Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.
29 By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.
30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days.
31 By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.
32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:
33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions.
34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.
35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:
37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
38 (Of whom the world was not worthy they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.
39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
Faith and obedience...
We hear and obey GOD through our Lord and Saviour... Word mixed with Faith.
You are right they took different views on free will, but they were also friends.
You share in a way that implies evil rather than honest conviction.
And the idea we should believe we have arrived with no issues, is the core issue we are talking about
today. It also explains why you appear to be so supportive of hg followers though rejecting their core
extreme position on grace.
But to see those who desire to condemn and divide rather than encourage and build, is disappointing.
In Christ we often fail, but walk knowing He will lift us up, and take us deeper into His reality.
Who is the true follower, the person who claims to know but never moves, or he who follows despite
his weaknesses and in the end through Christ is victorious?
We know we are not near Christ, but look back and you will see how much He has already done,
so imagine how much more He will achieve in you.
You share in a way that implies evil rather than honest conviction.
And the idea we should believe we have arrived with no issues, is the core issue we are talking about
today. It also explains why you appear to be so supportive of hg followers though rejecting their core
extreme position on grace.
But to see those who desire to condemn and divide rather than encourage and build, is disappointing.
In Christ we often fail, but walk knowing He will lift us up, and take us deeper into His reality.
Who is the true follower, the person who claims to know but never moves, or he who follows despite
his weaknesses and in the end through Christ is victorious?
We know we are not near Christ, but look back and you will see how much He has already done,
so imagine how much more He will achieve in you.
Jesus calls us to not judge ourselves but those who claim to teach.
Teachers gain an authority through consistent sharing and example.
Jesus puts a personal life bar up, which is those who do not love from
the heart are not worthy of being listened to and you will not be encouraged
by. Look at their lives. If that is where you want to be, then amen, if not,
leave them alone, because they are what you will become.
Teachers gain an authority through consistent sharing and example.
Jesus puts a personal life bar up, which is those who do not love from
the heart are not worthy of being listened to and you will not be encouraged
by. Look at their lives. If that is where you want to be, then amen, if not,
leave them alone, because they are what you will become.
2 Timothy 3
Knowing the Scriptures makes one wise unto salvation through Faith in the Messiah.. all is profitable for reproof, correction and instruction in Righteousness... so the man of God may be perfect furnished unto all good works.
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[TD]This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 9But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
10But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, 11Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me. 12Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 13But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
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[TD]This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 9But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
10But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, 11Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me. 12Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 13But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
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Knowing the Scriptures makes one wise unto salvation through Faith in the Messiah.. all is profitable for reproof, correction and instruction in Righteousness... so the man of God may be perfect furnished unto all good works.
Hi Meggido...After reading 1 Corinthians 2, i learn that we have the mind of Christ, we have the Holy Spirit in us, God searches us because our spirit is connected to His, He can reveal His mysteries to us because we have the mind of Christ...We have godly wisdom, people without the Holy Spirit have their own worldly wisdom, which is foolishness, i also see that Jesus is our Wisdom before the foundations of the world, if people had understood this at the time, Jesus would not of been crucified
...I will stop now because i am not really sure where i am going with this.Jesus being crucified was Gods plan to save the world from our sins, so i got something wrong in my typing, but i have kept it in to show you where i was thinking so i can be corrected...xox...
...I will stop now because i am not really sure where i am going with this.Jesus being crucified was Gods plan to save the world from our sins, so i got something wrong in my typing, but i have kept it in to show you where i was thinking so i can be corrected...xox...
, if not i will go back again...xox...2 Corinthians 13
5Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
6But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates.
7Now I pray to God that ye do no evil; not that we should appear approved, but that ye should do that which is honest, though we be as reprobates.
8For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth.
9For we are glad, when we are weak, and ye are strong: and this also we wish, even your perfection.
10Therefore I write these things being absent, lest being present I should use sharpness, according to the power which the Lord hath given me to edification, and not to destruction.
11Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.
12Greet one another with an holy kiss.
13All the saints salute you.
14The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen. {The second epistle to the Corinthians was written from Philippi, a city of Macedonia, by Titus and Lucas.
5Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
6But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates.
7Now I pray to God that ye do no evil; not that we should appear approved, but that ye should do that which is honest, though we be as reprobates.
8For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth.
9For we are glad, when we are weak, and ye are strong: and this also we wish, even your perfection.
10Therefore I write these things being absent, lest being present I should use sharpness, according to the power which the Lord hath given me to edification, and not to destruction.
11Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.
12Greet one another with an holy kiss.
13All the saints salute you.
14The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen. {The second epistle to the Corinthians was written from Philippi, a city of Macedonia, by Titus and Lucas.
These type of questions serve no purpose it seems only tempting... because the Messiah also said this:
Matthew 16
21From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. 22Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. 23But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
and we believe all things the Messiah said.
We were also doomed before we Repented and believed.
Some of the arguments here are just putting one idea in the wrong clothes.
When someone is employed to do a job, they get paid wages and are skilled at performing
the tasks they are employed to do.
If they do nothing, then they will be fired. Doing the tasks required of them does not prove or
earn their job, but without such things, they will be fired.
Ofcourse an employee can choose to do nothing, there is not an automatic compulsion to do the
work, but they know what is expected of them.
Now how are we the Children of the Most High, not called to walk in His ways and do His will,
with the tools and power He has provided. He is one of the most demanding of Kings, whose
principles and ideas are eternal and cannot be opposed. Judgement is coming against those who
stand against Him, either in private or publically, by the sin they refuse to repent of, or the
attitude of their hearts and the words and ideas they hold to.
So works are plain, they are the ways of the Kingdom. If you do not know these works, then
you cannot claim to know the King.
When someone is employed to do a job, they get paid wages and are skilled at performing
the tasks they are employed to do.
If they do nothing, then they will be fired. Doing the tasks required of them does not prove or
earn their job, but without such things, they will be fired.
Ofcourse an employee can choose to do nothing, there is not an automatic compulsion to do the
work, but they know what is expected of them.
Now how are we the Children of the Most High, not called to walk in His ways and do His will,
with the tools and power He has provided. He is one of the most demanding of Kings, whose
principles and ideas are eternal and cannot be opposed. Judgement is coming against those who
stand against Him, either in private or publically, by the sin they refuse to repent of, or the
attitude of their hearts and the words and ideas they hold to.
So works are plain, they are the ways of the Kingdom. If you do not know these works, then
you cannot claim to know the King.
No, it wasn't about differing views on free will. Do you even pay attention?
Whitefield remained their friend in spite of their attacks he remained gracious. The Wesley's? Not so much. They also drifted apart and the Wesley's like you toward others continued to attack him and dog his steps.
I shared some facts, the only evil going on here is your false accusation. Thus you falsely accuse in a way that implies evil.
More ad hominem and frankly lies. It is of note that you are so willing to compromise "we should believe we have arrived with no issue" then slam hyper grace while accusing me of supporting it.
Hypocrite much?
For the record I am directly opposed to hyper grace, Free Grace Theology, and, your false works gospel. This is a well known fact on here.
Right? You just condemned me, hyper gracers and others. Where is your building up, lol?
By the way, sharing facts of the Wesley's and Whitefield is in no way condemning so your accusation is a drummed up fabrication.
What I am sensing is a lot of disdain stemming from you toward me. Is it because I readily dismantle and expose your errors? Aren't you then behaving exactly like the Wesley's did toward Whitefield? The answer is a resounding "yes." Is it not hypocritical of you, in your lame post here, to talk of compromise and error, that it is OK while at the same time condemning others such as hyper-gracers?
I mean, your posts are so full of holes, hypocrisy, double standards, lies about me here, and others elsewhere that it is such an easy target to hit.
OK, get your last word in, maybe in a week or two I may actually read something you say to see if you've advanced. Or not.
Whitefield remained their friend in spite of their attacks he remained gracious. The Wesley's? Not so much. They also drifted apart and the Wesley's like you toward others continued to attack him and dog his steps.
I shared some facts, the only evil going on here is your false accusation. Thus you falsely accuse in a way that implies evil.
More ad hominem and frankly lies. It is of note that you are so willing to compromise "we should believe we have arrived with no issue" then slam hyper grace while accusing me of supporting it.
Hypocrite much?
For the record I am directly opposed to hyper grace, Free Grace Theology, and, your false works gospel. This is a well known fact on here.
Right? You just condemned me, hyper gracers and others. Where is your building up, lol?
By the way, sharing facts of the Wesley's and Whitefield is in no way condemning so your accusation is a drummed up fabrication.
What I am sensing is a lot of disdain stemming from you toward me. Is it because I readily dismantle and expose your errors? Aren't you then behaving exactly like the Wesley's did toward Whitefield? The answer is a resounding "yes." Is it not hypocritical of you, in your lame post here, to talk of compromise and error, that it is OK while at the same time condemning others such as hyper-gracers?
I mean, your posts are so full of holes, hypocrisy, double standards, lies about me here, and others elsewhere that it is such an easy target to hit.
OK, get your last word in, maybe in a week or two I may actually read something you say to see if you've advanced. Or not.
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Galatians 2
19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
If you believe this means anything other than teaching the New Testament v Old Testament then you are mistaken..
In no way does this mean we are not to Keep the Commandments of GOD as taught by the Messiah. Many really did spy out the liberty we have in Christ and tried to force the dead husband in place of the New... If people were going off believing they had to be circumcised outwardly they were not living by Faith.
Galatians 3
[h=1]Galatians 3King James Version (KJV)[/h]3 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Once again he is trying to say... you are not obeying the Truth.... asking them did you recieve the Spirit by the law or by hearing of Faith.
are you foolish to begin in Spirit but now become perfect by working at the law of Moses..
What profit is circumcision if Righteousness comes only by Faith in the Messiah...
He is trying to teach them to remain Faithful and not believe a Gospel that was teaching them to keep the law to be saved.
Paul understood the New wine was better and yet others were doubtful and giving Hear to those preferring the Old...
Galatians 3
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
We receive the promise through Faith not works of the law.
Galatians 3
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
The children of GOD by Faith in the Messiah who redeems us from the curse indeed.. so we are not under the law but Grace.. set free to love because we are loved.
If you love the Messiah you keep His Testimony.
Do not frustrate the children of GOD with verses that are not relevant if they have Faith in the Messiah and continue in that Faith knowing it is the New and better Wine they have been given by the Grace of GOD.
19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
If you believe this means anything other than teaching the New Testament v Old Testament then you are mistaken..
In no way does this mean we are not to Keep the Commandments of GOD as taught by the Messiah. Many really did spy out the liberty we have in Christ and tried to force the dead husband in place of the New... If people were going off believing they had to be circumcised outwardly they were not living by Faith.
Galatians 3
[h=1]Galatians 3King James Version (KJV)[/h]3 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Once again he is trying to say... you are not obeying the Truth.... asking them did you recieve the Spirit by the law or by hearing of Faith.
are you foolish to begin in Spirit but now become perfect by working at the law of Moses..
What profit is circumcision if Righteousness comes only by Faith in the Messiah...
He is trying to teach them to remain Faithful and not believe a Gospel that was teaching them to keep the law to be saved.
Paul understood the New wine was better and yet others were doubtful and giving Hear to those preferring the Old...
Galatians 3
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
We receive the promise through Faith not works of the law.
Galatians 3
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
The children of GOD by Faith in the Messiah who redeems us from the curse indeed.. so we are not under the law but Grace.. set free to love because we are loved.
If you love the Messiah you keep His Testimony.
Do not frustrate the children of GOD with verses that are not relevant if they have Faith in the Messiah and continue in that Faith knowing it is the New and better Wine they have been given by the Grace of GOD.
Romans 4
4 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.
19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sarah's womb:
20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
The above is teaching the New Testament v the Old...... Abraham was uncircumcised when he received the promise of GOD.. circumcision was a seal of the Righteousness of Faith.. but many believed Righteousness come by circumcision.. nay.. Abraham believed GOD and received the promise.
Likewise we are to be strong in Faith knowing that He who promised is able to perform.
Romans 4
15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
Anything anyone can do.. any work performed that can save himself? None.
What is counted for Righteousness?
Is it believing in GOD? Yes... Faith alone.. blessed His the man that GOD imputeth righteousness without works.. you believe and it is accounted as Righteousness.
Blessed are those that partake of the New Covenant of GOD.
We are Truly saved by Grace through Faith unto good works.
Galatians and Romans and all is teaching the New Covenant where the Just live by Faith.
It is not condemning people who love and obey GOD in their liberty... these works are merely evidence of Faith in the Messiah.
Believe unto the saving of your souls my friends and if you hear Him then do what he teaches...because that is living by:
Faith in GOD, who is the power of the birth, cross and Resurrection of our Saviour.
love because you are loved indeed.
4 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.
19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sarah's womb:
20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
The above is teaching the New Testament v the Old...... Abraham was uncircumcised when he received the promise of GOD.. circumcision was a seal of the Righteousness of Faith.. but many believed Righteousness come by circumcision.. nay.. Abraham believed GOD and received the promise.
Likewise we are to be strong in Faith knowing that He who promised is able to perform.
Romans 4
15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
Anything anyone can do.. any work performed that can save himself? None.
What is counted for Righteousness?
Is it believing in GOD? Yes... Faith alone.. blessed His the man that GOD imputeth righteousness without works.. you believe and it is accounted as Righteousness.
Blessed are those that partake of the New Covenant of GOD.
We are Truly saved by Grace through Faith unto good works.
Galatians and Romans and all is teaching the New Covenant where the Just live by Faith.
It is not condemning people who love and obey GOD in their liberty... these works are merely evidence of Faith in the Messiah.
Believe unto the saving of your souls my friends and if you hear Him then do what he teaches...because that is living by:
Faith in GOD, who is the power of the birth, cross and Resurrection of our Saviour.
love because you are loved indeed.
Stop being so so high minded you and I were filthy sinners without Faith in the Messiah. By the Grace of GOD and nothing else..
GOD knows all things indeed..
but all condemned and only believing in the Son of GOD can save us.
If if you think you betrayed not the Messiah then you are mistaken..
He was on the cross for your sin as much of the rest of us....
If not then we are dead In our sin.
Judas Repented himself and took the money back.. He came to believe.