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BillG

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willybob said:
"believe"?.....most dont want to comprehend that belief=obedience, so they suppress the truth in unrighteousness...They think its possible to believe without obeying, which in reality equates to the belief of devils. Therefore developing a double-minded gospel; whereas one can hold hands with Satan and still inconspicuously waltz into the kingdom having their filthy rags unnoticed:confused:....be blessed
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How can anyone be blessed when you have accused most of being unrighteous and equating them to the level of the devils.
And therefore having developed a double minded Gospel.

There is only one Gospel and that is Jesus a faith in him that saves and through this he conforms us to his own image.
Obedience follows faith.

be blessed:cool:
 
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BillG said:
How can anyone be blessed when you have accused most of being unrighteous and equating them to the level of the devils.
And therefore having developed a double minded Gospel.

There is only one Gospel and that is Jesus a faith in him that saves and through this he conforms us to his own image.
Obedience follows faith.

be blessed:cool:
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Amen Bill......and I fully agree.........peace MIGO
 
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willybob said:
"believe"?.....most dont want to comprehend that belief=obedience, so they suppress the truth in unrighteousness...They think its possible to believe without obeying, which in reality equates to the belief of devils. Therefore developing a double-minded gospel; whereas one can hold hands with Satan and still inconspicuously waltz into the kingdom having their filthy rags unnoticed:confused:....be blessed
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To say these things about a born again believer with no evidence or proof that any of this is true; and then connect the Holy Spirit's work in the life of a believer with the work of, "Satan" well that is nothing less than blasphemy.

If you were to die tonight and God said why should I let you into my Kingdom what would you say?
 
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TruthTalk said:
To say these things about a born again believer with no evidence or proof that any of this is true; and then connect the Holy Spirit's work in the life of a believer with the work of, "Satan" well that is nothing less than blasphemy.

If you were to die tonight and God said why should I let you into my Kingdom what would you say?
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Because he is sinless, and always does good and has worked his way there in obedience......adding works to faith with a salsa blend of sinless perfectionism.....
 
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Every time I see Bills profile - I always see Bilge..:p
 
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dcontroversal said:
Because he is sinless, and always does good and has worked his way there in obedience......adding works to faith with a salsa blend of sinless perfectionism.....
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People who imagine that they are sinless do not need a savior, they are, their own savior spelled,
P-R-I-D-E = self-righteous.
 
PeterJens

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Words.

It strikes me some claim some words matter and some do not.
So a verse that suits is the absolute truth, while another which simply lays things out is not.

So Jesus saying we will obey because we love Him is false and impossible, while to believe
and be saved is absolute. The problem is both must be accepted or rejected.

People fear so much, and identify themselves too easily with evil, rather than seeing a choice.
Jesus gives us promises, so walk on them if you have faith.

Or is the real problem, you do not trust Him or His word, but prefer a diluted, undemanding
version. The trouble is you will meet Him, and find out. So purify your hearts and get the
wisdom of the Spirit and His word, and you will know.

And also the funny thing is, this idea that the Lord will send me to hell because I do not
believe He has no principles or laws. Sounds quite conditional and demanding to me, or
in your words, brutal. It is why I cannot accept this position and just listen to Him.

Love is its own medicine, once entered into burdens disappear because who are you scared
of and who do you not want to upset.:cool:. Praise the Lord. Get Christ centred and all will appear
in its right place Amen
 
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PeterJens said:
Words.

It strikes me some claim some words matter and some do not.
So a verse that suits is the absolute truth, while another which simply lays things out is not.

So Jesus saying we will obey because we love Him is false and impossible, while to believe
and be saved is absolute. The problem is both must be accepted or rejected.

People fear so much, and identify themselves too easily with evil, rather than seeing a choice.
Jesus gives us promises, so walk on them if you have faith.

Or is the real problem, you do not trust Him or His word, but prefer a diluted, undemanding
version. The trouble is you will meet Him, and find out. So purify your hearts and get the
wisdom of the Spirit and His word, and you will know.

And also the funny thing is, this idea that the Lord will send me to hell because I do not
believe He has no principles or laws. Sounds quite conditional and demanding to me, or
in your words, brutal. It is why I cannot accept this position and just listen to Him.

Love is its own medicine, once entered into burdens disappear because who are you scared
of and who do you not want to upset.:cool:. Praise the Lord. Get Christ centred and all will appear
in its right place Amen
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The definition of contradiction.....you should look it up....serious....
 
PeterJens

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TruthTalk said:
To say these things about a born again believer with no evidence or proof that any of this is true; and then connect the Holy Spirit's work in the life of a believer with the work of, "Satan" well that is nothing less than blasphemy.

If you were to die tonight and God said why should I let you into my Kingdom what would you say?
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Sadly Jesus warns us against this very thing. It is like falling in love, which then flips into hatred.
Often people are constrained by their history, and words and intent get confused.

If you want an illustration of were forgiveness and love comes in, it is here.

It is always easy to paint evil intent out of hurt, much harder to admit pain and forgive.
God bless you all
 
PeterJens

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dcontroversal said:
The definition of contradiction.....you should look it up....serious....
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dc until you can see both sides, you are a victim. The problem with self delusion
it shows itself because you cannot see alternatives. I pray you may ask the Lord
To reveal what I mean to you. Love is the only way.
 
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PeterJens said:
dc until you can see both sides, you are a victim. The problem with self delusion
it shows itself because you cannot see alternatives. I pray you may ask the Lord
To reveal what I mean to you. Love is the only way.
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Exactly why you miss the mark.....the bible contains ABSOLUTES when it comes to truth....not alternatives and give the dog a bone theology......
 
PeterJens

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dcontroversal said:
The definition of contradiction.....you should look it up....serious....
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I forgot, your advice about looking something up, what and in regard to which point?
Some contradictions are perspectives on a subject. So a man can both be a father and a
son, a wise man but also be ignorant. A truth can be both absolute and finite, eternal yet
able to perish, loving yet brutal, honest yet unclear. So you can gain life while losing it, be
a servant yet rule over all. :)
 
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dcontroversal said:
Exactly why you miss the mark.....the bible contains ABSOLUTES when it comes to truth....not alternatives and give the dog a bone theology......
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This is why indoctrination happens. People teach clarity while not living it, judgements while doing
the same things, these wordes are simple and those complex. Lol

So some will say we are Gods, yet be unable to live like them, or follow Jesus who God rose from the
dead, but continue in open sin in their own eyes, while claiming they know the King.

God bless and good night.;)
 
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notuptome said:
Like many today who suppose they can have one foot in heaven and one foot in hell.

Salvation is all or nothing. You cannot hold on to the old and grasp the new.

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.


For the cause of Christ
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That is not what the Scripture teach:


1 John 2:4-5 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;
[SUP]5 [/SUP] but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him:

1 John 2:19 (CSBBible)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] They went out from us, but they did not belong to us; for if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. However, they went out so that it might be made clear that none of them belongs to us.
 
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