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TruthTalk

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I'M a Vietnam Vet, and I have stage 4 terminal prostate cancer from Agent Orange (there is no cure). What proof would you like so that I can clear my good name from your false accusations, I noticed the poster did not come right out front an post the guilty persons name only innuendo's and made up accusations so that the person who meets this profile (like me), has no means to defend himself or confront his accuser. Please I ask you as it your civil duty to come forward and introduce your self and tell me what proof you would need to clear my name on this thread, there is no one on this thread that is a Veteran who is sick, as you say, that I have knowledge of except me.

I can scan and upload my, DD214 Honorable discharge papers, to this thread; or how about my VA documents that award me benefits for having made contact with Agent Orange in a hostile zone, Vietnam, I can up load these if you like. And my Award was issued in June 2015 way before I began posting here on CC. Would that be enough proof Mr. Stranger. Or my wife has photo's on her I-Phone from City of Hope where I receive cancer treatments and just finished 6 months of Chemo treatments.
You can see me with IV's and no hair and gaunt looking, would that be enough evidence to clear my good name that you have smeared of this beautiful forum.

And who are you, Mr. Mystery Man, to accuse anyone of fraudulence with no proof whatsoever except your prejudicial false claim's, do you want to hurt someone's good name to make you look like the tough guy, be brave an show yourself so that I can see what a coward looks like. Good Grief upon Grief. I mention my cancer on this forum so that people could pray for me, not so that I could commit a fraudulent act....did not your Mother and Father tell you to not tell lies or bear false witness.

And I don't even want an apology from you, just do not this to another innocent by stander.
To God be the Glory Alway's.

And Glory be to Jesus, would you not believe, peterjens, just click a like to BillGs post,
God forgive you to Mr. Jens.
 

TruthTalk

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Clearly I have missed something here.. :confused:
Read my post just below your post and you will understand, post #36917 its like 4 posts down not far

Originally Posted by BillG If you are not convinced they are a Vet and sick do not condemn them because you don't know if they are telling the truth. You assume they are fraudsters.

Two, they have business acting?

Clouds and winds without rain?












 
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Thank you E-grateful for clicking like, I know this is off topic but who in the world would make comments like this about a "Sick Vet" (like me), who is making fraudulent claim's to gain money....on this forum. I wish I knew his name so that I could ask him why?
God bless
He is banned now. I would not worry about him bro..
 
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Read my post just below your post and you will understand, post #36917 its like 4 posts down not far

Originally Posted by BillG If you are not convinced they are a Vet and sick do not condemn them because you don't know if they are telling the truth. You assume they are fraudsters.

Two, they have business acting?

Clouds and winds without rain?













It was not bill bro, here it was a person named dalok6800 who is now banned. Here is the post.

Anyone willfully claiming and letting others believe they are a gift of God in ministry and then recants, repents and asks forgiveness for lying about, obtains that forgiveness, really has no business throwing rocks.

Proverbs 25.14
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Whoso boasteth himself of a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain.

If a person willfully lies about being a Gift in the kingdom in such a precious role as missionary and they never were. Then they willfully continue to let other brothers and sisters believe they were, even though they finally repent and ask forgiveness.

Well, two things come to mind. One I cannot be fully convinced they are a Vet and are sick. There are many posing as military vets in efforts to get their medical bills paid or just fraud people out of money. Two, they have no business acting so self-righteous and pious and then outright attack others and intentionally seek to destroy others.

Posers in the kingdom are often posers in other areas of their life. Kingdom posers hide under religion and suggest they engage in truth talk and act like you do, all in the effort to hide who they really are or be bigger than who they are because of deep seated jealousy and envy of others.Military posers do it to steal honor and glory for themselves, because they were never what, where or who they claim to be. This again, is because of deep seated jealousy and envy because they could never be content with who they were and what they did to serve their country. People should forgive you and the Bible is clear concerning you, you are clouds and winds without rain.
 

shrume

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p4t said:
I don't think anyone is saying they don't have ability to choose.
shrume said:
Regarding salvation, Calvinists are saying exactly that.
No Calvinist believes this
Don't Calvinists believe that a man cannot choose to believe and be saved? If that is correct, please explain how "no Calvinist believes" people do not have the ability to choose.

If that is not correct, please explain what Calvinists believe.

No person is free outside of Christ, John 8:33ff. You say man is free, Jesus says man isn't.
Anyone can choose to believe, and once he believes, he is in Christ.

Verse 13 proves it isn't by choice.
Again:

John 1:
12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

"which were" in v13 should be "who was" and it refers back to "his name" in v12. Jesus Christ was born, not of bloods (it's plural in the Greek), nor of the will of flesh or man, but of God. IOW God sent Jesus Christ into the world by HIS will and not man's will.

I never made any such claim on that passage. I used the passage to show that it is by God's will we are saved, not man's.
God's will is for all men to be saved (1 Tim 2:4; 2 Pet 3:9). It is up to each person to decide to believe, or not.

Salvation isn't by choice of man, it is by choice of God.
That is not true. Once a person hears the gospel, it is his responsibility and choice to decide to believe it or not.

The language is actually "has caused us to be born again".
God causes us to be born again when we choose to believe the gospel.

You claim you caused yourself to be born again.
I claim that once the gospel is preached, anyone who hears it can choose to believe it, or not.

God says otherwise
No, He does not.

It's not by choice
It is absolutely by choice. We are ambassadors for Jesus Christ. We are fellowlaborers together with God and Jesus Christ. We are to preach the gospel so people have the opportunity to hear it. It's their decision to decide to believe it, or not.

All men, from everywhere, not all men who've ever lived.
I believe it's all men everywhere. I believe the verse means what it says, that God wants all men to be saved. People who have died no longer have the opportunity to believe.

The all to come to repentance are the elect, the "usward" referenced in 2 Peter 3 following the context from chapter 1; that is, the elect and none other. It doesn't mean all men who've ever lived.
2 Pet 3:
9) The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Do Calvinists believe some of the elect will perish? I didn't think they did...

I hope you don't mind, but I removed all your personal jabs.

I have nothing against you personally, p4t, but I believe Calvinism is an unbiblical doctrine, and it does not reflect the heart of God at all. It makes God unlovable, unloving, and untrustworthy. It removes personal responsibility from people.

God is love, and He created people to love Him, and fellowship with Him. If people cannot freely choose to love God, it's not love.
 
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There is a question, who is true and who is false?
If you have found Christ it does not matter because He is the ultimate reference
point.

Those who abuse only do so because they think there is value in it. But real value
is in demonstrating the principles of the eternal Kingdom, to bring light to this dark
world, and my friends it is very dark doomed to destruction.

Just talk to people about how they are inside and you will meet this darkness.
When you see only each one knows truth looking out, we cannot see looking in, you
will see we are called to witness and love not judge.

If each day you can rise and praise God amen brother and sister.
 

notmyown

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I'M a Vietnam Vet, and I have stage 4 terminal prostate cancer from Agent Orange (there is no cure). What proof would you like so that I can clear my good name from your false accusations, I noticed the poster did not come right out front an post the guilty persons name only innuendo's and made up accusations so that the person who meets this profile (like me), has no means to defend himself or confront his accuser. Please I ask you as it your civil duty to come forward and introduce your self and tell me what proof you would need to clear my name on this thread, there is no one on this thread that is a Veteran who is sick, as you say, that I have knowledge of except me.

I can scan and upload my, DD214 Honorable discharge papers, to this thread; or how about my VA documents that award me benefits for having made contact with Agent Orange in a hostile zone, Vietnam, I can up load these if you like. And my Award was issued in June 2015 way before I began posting here on CC. Would that be enough proof Mr. Stranger. Or my wife has photo's on her I-Phone from City of Hope where I receive cancer treatments and just finished 6 months of Chemo treatments.
You can see me with IV's and no hair and gaunt looking, would that be enough evidence to clear my good name that you have smeared of this beautiful forum.

And who are you, Mr. Mystery Man, to accuse anyone of fraudulence with no proof whatsoever except your prejudicial false claim's, do you want to hurt someone's good name to make you look like the tough guy, be brave an show yourself so that I can see what a coward looks like. Good Grief upon Grief. I mention my cancer on this forum so that people could pray for me, not so that I could commit a fraudulent act....did not your Mother and Father tell you to not tell lies or bear false witness.

And I don't even want an apology from you, just do not this to another innocent by stander.
To God be the Glory Alway's.






kind sir,

i pray you will not allow those words to discomfit you any longer, but keep trusting in the Captain of our salvation.

i, for one, believe you, and thank you for your service. i am only sorrowful it cost you so dearly.

Jude 1:2,
ellie
 
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Hey TruthTalk

By the way....my uncle died from Hodgkin's Lymphoma developed from Agent Orange in Vietnam. He died in 1989...anyway....Semper Fi brother
 

notmyown

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Hey TruthTalk

By the way....my uncle died from Hodgkin's Lymphoma developed from Agent Orange in Vietnam. He died in 1989...anyway....Semper Fi brother
my husband was drafted in '68, and would have gone, though it interrupted college. he's athletic, and he was a runner then (10 miles a day, minimum) and has a naturally slow heartbeat, so when it came to the physical, he failed with a pulse of 50. after 37 years, if i'm laying with my head on his chest as he sleeps, i sometimes find i'm holding my breath waiting for that next heartbeat!

so sorry about your uncle, D, and i thank you, as well.
 
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People who hold to a belief of Grace plus works to keep you saved, like Phart, and use the false acronym, OSAS, are not shinning the light of the true gospel. They are using their human wisdom to try and formulate a gospel that fits into there small theological belief's. Its like this; If Noah said to Phart come inside the Ark and God will save you, Phart would say okay but what do I have to do once I'm in the Ark to keep me saved, foolish human thinking.

This idea is not enlightening and only leads to despair and fearful thoughts that you will lose you eternal salvation. Phart's gospel is not standing on a firm foundation which is Christ Jesus. He is laying a different foundation called, pride/works. Surrendering your whole life to God and then trusting and obeying Him, because we love our Heavenly Father, true gospel.

Good post Decon.....:)

"For God, who said, "Light shall shine out of darkness, is the One who has shone in our hearts to give the Light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ." 2Corinthians4:6

"For with you is the fountain of life; in your light we see light." Psalm36:9
Hey Bro...can you set up your PM? I need to PM you. Thanks.
 
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Very sad indeed. :(:(

I am glad that his many posts remain, he preached the gospel of grace fervently and whoever finds his teachings will be edified

I just saw that Bruce (Grace777) got banned. :( This makes me sad.
 

TruthTalk

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Anyone willfully claiming and letting others believe they are a gift of God in ministry and then recants, repents and asks forgiveness for lying about, obtains that forgiveness, really has no business throwing rocks.(oh really you are a lier so go take your own medicine and go hide under a rock)

Proverbs 25.14
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Whoso boasteth himself of a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain.

If a person willfully lies about being a Gift in the kingdom (I did not and everyone knows this is a lie) in such a precious role as missionary and they never were. Then they willfully continue to let other brothers and sisters believe they were, (again this is not true), even though they finally repent and ask forgiveness.

Well, two things come to mind. One I cannot be fully convinced they are a Vet and are sick. (why should I have to convince you of anything, who are you). There are many posing as military vets in efforts to get their medical bills paid or just fraud people out of money.(this is a lie)

Two, they have no business acting so self-righteous and pious and then outright attack others (I Have attack no one but you sure have) and intentionally seek to destroy others. (Take a look in the mirror before you start accusing others).

Posers in the kingdom are often posers in other areas of their life. Kingdom posers hide under religion and suggest they engage in truth talk and act like you do, all in the effort to hide who they really are or be bigger than who they are because of deep seated jealousy and envy of others. Military posers do it to steal honor and glory for themselves, because they were never what, where or who they claim to be. This again, is because of deep seated jealousy and envy because they could never be content with who they were and what they did to serve their country. People should forgive you and the Bible is clear concerning you, you are clouds and winds without rain.
For your information my wife and I were Missionary assistant's in Thailand until I received my cancer diagnosis. The comment which I regretfully made on this thread came from my frustration at a poster here. After realizing that I had lied to the man and the nice people on this forum, I confessed my sin and I believe'd that I was forgiven by God and by the folks here today, what you think does not matter.

You Mr Mystery Man are bearing false witness, I went to the cross of Jesus and pleaded forgiveness from God and the nice folks on this forum graciously forgave and welcomed me back. The only thing I need from you now is to stay as far away from me as the east is from the west. It is obvious you are not welcome here and you have many anger issues with people. I pray to God you get the help you need. I pray that not one child of God ever has to encounter your bitter false accusations again.

Here is one sample of your bitter prejudice;

"Military posers do it to steal honor and glory for themselves, because they were never what, where or who they claim to be. This again, is because of deep seated jealousy and envy because they could never be content with who they were and what they did to serve their country."

what a pathetic human being you are, good riddance.
 

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Matthew 10:22, “And you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.”



Matt 24:12-13, “And because of the increase in lawlessness, the love of many shall become cold. But he who shall have endured to the end shall be saved.”


Hebrews 10:36, “For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of Yah you may receive what is promised.”
 

TruthTalk

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No problem bro....numerous people jumped in to defend you and the dude went bye bye.....
Thank's Decon and I to am sorry for the loss of your uncle, I'm sure you keep fond memories of your good times together. People like that banned poster deserve what they get. When I speak to you or E-grateful about our military service it is out of respect an a common connection we have as brother's in Christ and our service. No lying just talking old soldier stuff. And I am over whelmed with the folks on this thread who came to my support, God bless you a 10000 times. Just one more thought about what happened here today. I forgive the man who falsely accused me of too many things, because I have been forgiven much I need to forgive the one who has falsely accused me. But now its time to move on, love you guy's God bless.
 
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TruthTalk

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kind sir,

i pray you will not allow those words to discomfit you any longer, but keep trusting in the Captain of our salvation.

i, for one, believe you, and thank you for your service. i am only sorrowful it cost you so dearly.

Jude 1:2,
ellie
Hi notmyown, thank you for your prayers and very kind words. You also rang a bell in my heart about the cost, because I have such a wonderful loving wife and everything I do, I do to live as long as I can so that we can be together. What I can tell you is that my wife and I support each other in our faith and I wake up every morning with a smile on my face put there by our savior Jesus. He is with us all day long. Praise God.