Not By Works

[PeterJens]

This is a lie and false....as well as the rest of your post which is not worth repeating and has no value....You assume many things and accuse people of any things not true.....more fluff from the fluff ball......OH....I mean cake taker.....!

My friend, as normal you have no answer to the core point, our forgiveness and purity.
This is the light you cannot face or agree with, but until you do, Jesus is a closed book
to you, even with all your theology, church going, bible training and all the good works
you do, though you deny you are working your way to heaven.

Maybe it is this that makes you angry, because you do so much and it adds up to nothing,
if you cannot accept Jesus has cleansed and purified you. But if you have not been cleansed
because you hold on sin, that would explain everything. I counsel repentance of those things
you know bring condemnation into your life. You are so proud of your behaviour, you boast of
these deeds like a badge of honour rather than shame that needs sorrow.

So lost yet so proud and presumptous. It is so ironic, when it is these things I am accused of
being, when all I do is hold onto Christ and His salvation and cleansing of my life, Amen

 

[dcontroversal]

My friend, as normal you have no answer to the core point, our forgiveness and purity.
This is the light you cannot face or agree with, but until you do, Jesus is a closed book
to you, even with all your theology, church going, bible training and all the good works
you do, though you deny you are working your way to heaven.

Maybe it is this that makes you angry, because you do so much and it adds up to nothing,
if you cannot accept Jesus has cleansed and purified you. But if you have not been cleansed
because you hold on sin, that would explain everything. I counsel repentance of those things
you know bring condemnation into your life. You are so proud of your behaviour, you boast of
these deeds like a badge of honour rather than shame that needs sorrow.

So lost yet so proud and presumptous. It is so ironic, when it is these things I am accused of
being, when all I do is hold onto Christ and His salvation and cleansing of my life, Amen

You have no idea man.....hilarious.....NO ONE works their way anywhere......You really should open the word of God and start reading from the beginning.....take your time.....be open to the words.....lose your man made false religion and actually trust JESUS.....he really does save eternally by faith and that seed that is born of God is incorruptible and eternal.....

 

[PeterJens]

You have no idea man.....hilarious.....NO ONE works their way anywhere......You really should open the word of God and start reading from the beginning.....take your time.....be open to the words.....lose your man made false religion and actually trust JESUS.....he really does save eternally by faith and that seed that is born of God is incorruptible and eternal.....

There is an interesting psychological observation made about people. The thing they hate
most is often exactly what they are themselves.

You say you are not working for salvation and condemning others, yet you hold you to your
position like it is the only thing that makes you worthy and true.

You say you are not religious, yet your faith says you stay the same, God just forgives you.
That is the falseness of faith, a belief system that appeases the emotions but does not
effect ones life and life style.

And when the truth breaks through, you just do a reset, repaint the enemy as just a legalist
and then suggest they read the bible. This cycle I have seen throughout my contact with
the indoctrinated and psychologically unstable. Get too close to what is actually going on,
reset, forget the words, start the script at the beginning.

This is why the lake of fire exists. There is no resolution, or change, because every point of
progress just resets back to the beginning. In this world grace and blessing means this is
left alone, but after judgement, there is no more grace, just resolution.

 

[PeterJens]

Irony

Once anger is removed from the armoury, because it this would show their heart,
nothing is left.

I am grateful for small mercies. Read the sermon on the mount and think who the
speaker is. Nothing is recorded or said without meaning and purpose. This meaning
may take a long time to work out, but it is all there. I am more convicted and certain
how Jesus balanced out His gospel, and praise His glorious name and riches in the heavenly
places.

We are travellers along a road, each one has progressed to particular points and some
have got lost. What matters is that we encourage each other to praise God, good works
and acts of love one to another. Amen.

 

[PeterJens]

Jesus does save, but not to be a passive passenger on the gospel train, but as a light in a dark
place, as someone who wants change and resolution.

How many times do these preachers say, you are a light to those around you, the love at work
in your heart testifies to the glory found in Christ our King.

No they continually preach about how the condemnation for the sin you do is from satan, and you
should tell him Christs righteousness means you are saved and ok.

Within this teaching is saying you are a sinning hypocrite but that is ok, Christ not only is happy with
this, he defends you against the enemy. What is so weird about this scenario, no where in scripture
does God defend sinners against their unrepentent sin and open rebellion. It is these people who die,
literally and are shocked the holiness means consistent living and real life flowing.

One small lie, just one, that you had sold the land and given all the money to the church. I mean
not much of a lie, but they died. They put social standing above integrity and honesty in the Lord.
So my friends, God is not partial to hypocracy, lying, miss-representation.

And when I describe exactly what is believed and how people walk, confessed from their own lips,
I am the liar, insulter, slanderer, false teacher, lost individual. Such hypocracy, yet if they feel
their current sin is not a problem in the Lord, why not heap another load on to defeat this evil
enemy who should be destroyed straight away. What for me is astounding, is not my points are
wrong or false, that its validity is based on whether I sin currently or am a sinless perfectionist.

This is just sectarianism, rather than listening to God. "Be Holy for I am Holy."
"Hunger and thirst for righteousness you will be filled"
"The pure in heart will see God"

It does not get much clearer than this.

 

[loveme1]

Mark 1

14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

We are to Repent and believe the Gospel.

 

[loveme1]

I actually believe Peter is here trying to share the Truth and so much rude and unkindness goes his way. From what I have read Peter is not denying but showing us the Power of GOD that is shown through the Cross can empower us through belief in the Messiah's Testament for us to be Baptised with Holy Spirit and walk in the Spirit which is Christ within.

Why someone long ago decided to limit this by his own mind and then enslave others with such doctrine that Faith alone.. does not account for the Faith that grows in Grace and knowledge of Christ. This Faith leads you to be a hearer and doer... oh friends why do you not believe? Believe that Christ within leads you on the path of Righteousness to be a saint of the Most High GOD?

Forget what you have learnt... and seek with your heart the Truth that will set you free.

To Repent is to be remorseful.. to believe is to be saved unto good works of Christ through Faith.. but if you believe not and heap knowledge upon knowledge delving in to foreign languages... you can overlook the simplicity of Christ.. Ask and you shall receive.

 

[TruthTalk]

You have no idea man.....hilarious.....NO ONE works their way anywhere......You really should open the word of God and start reading from the beginning.....take your time.....be open to the words.....lose your man made false religion and actually trust JESUS.....he really does save eternally by faith and that seed that is born of God is incorruptible and eternal.....

Originally Posted by PeterJens

My friend, as normal you have no answer to the core point, our forgiveness and purity.
This is the light you cannot face or agree with, but until you do, Jesus is a closed book to you,
even with all your theology, church going, bible training and all the good works
you do, though you deny you are working your way to heaven.

Maybe it is this that makes you angry, because you do so much and it adds up to nothing,
if you cannot accept Jesus has cleansed and purified you. But if you have not been cleansed
because you hold on sin, that would explain everything. I counsel repentance of those things
you know bring condemnation into your life. You are so proud of your behaviour, you boast of
these deeds like a badge of honour rather than shame that needs sorrow.

So lost yet so proud and presumptous. It is so ironic, when it is these things I am accused of
being, when all I do is hold onto Christ and His salvation and cleansing of my life, Amen


Hi Decon, I rebuke every word that is in this ugly God forsaken post and he begins this nonsense with, "My friend." Clever as the devil, notice how Jens uses Christian phrase's like; "to the core point, our forgiveness and purity." Pure nonsense "the core point" is not about "our forgiveness and purity" the core point is that God sent His Son Jesus to save us from our sins, period. "This is the light", He never mention's Jesus our Saviour, just things like "light", to distract everyone that sounds churchy. "Jesus is a closed book " More Churchy sounding nonsense.

All of Jens Christian phraseology is from the the bible, but it is all made up in his sinful mind, the gospel according to Jen's. I put him on ignore because I just could not look at his sugar coated chritianity any longer; it is a counterfeit Christ, period. You can tell by his choice of words to you he is filled with anger and hate.

People like this have Chosen Christianity to promote their spiritual lie's, "you will be like God," Gen3:5. It is all spiritual lies, that they sugar coat with Christianity. One such group that spreads his kind of nonsense is called, "Unity School of Christianity". You can Google it if you like. It has been around for fifty plus years and is considered a cult by main stream Christianity. It has a world wide membership and mostly they send you books and monthly pamphlet's. They also have church's that promote this false doctrine world wide and place's they call reading rooms with more of their literature.

All of Jens word's and phrase's are so similar to what Unity School of Christianity teaches. I've known family members who were trapped in this cult and I have been around it all my life. This christian cult also draws there awful teachig from other false religions like; eastern mythologies, its all a lie from hell and it will take you there unless you repent. Jens, beliefs are, a little bit of this and a little bit of that and he sugar coats everything with a false Jesus.

I am truly sorry Decon that you have to be subject to these kind of attacks, not that you are not able but because they should never happen in the first place, ya know. So I just want to be supportive and tell you to beware of Jens nonsense.

God bless migo.....

 

[PeterJens]

Hi Decon, I rebuke every word that is in this ugly God forsaken post

Well at least you are painting your colours to the mast.
Well my friend, I do not know you, nor do I hate or am angry.

These emotions are your own, not mine. I do not know of the Unity School.
And my friend I am caught. dc rejects everything I share and shows his opposition to me,
so I have no choice but to point this out.

Now these are not passive positions with no consequences.
You project a lot on to me, which I am ignorant of, so cannot actually answer.
Obviously talking about love, purity and forgiveness is not part of your walk with Christ.

God bless you, and may He draw you near to His heart and soul through the Holy Spirit.

It shows where some people are in their walk with Jesus.

 

[loveme1]

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[TD="class: passage-col col-xs-12 first last"][h=1]Titus 3:1-8King James Version (KJV)[/h]3 Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,
2 To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.


3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another
.
4 But after that the kindness and love of
God our Saviour toward man appeared,
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.


8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.






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I think we need to read the verse that started this thread in full.

Because no one can dispute the verse... for by GOD's Grace we are saved through Faith.. but the Holy Spirit is given for a purpose...

 

[PeterJens]

Unity describes itself as a worldwide Christian organization which teaches a positive approach to life, seeking to accept the good in all people and events. Unity began as a healing ministry and healing has continued to be its main emphasis.[3] It teaches that all people can improve the quality of their lives through thought.[4]

Unity describes itself as having no particular creed, no set dogma, and no required ritual.[5] It maintains that there is good in every approach to God and in every religion that is fulfilling someone's needs.[6] It holds that one should not focus on past sins but on the potential good in all.[7]

Unity emphasizes spiritual healing, prosperity and the curing of illness by spiritual means, but Unity does not reject or resist medical treatments.[2] Unity is accepting of the beliefs of others.[8][9][10][11]

Churches fall under the auspices of Unity Worldwide Ministries although each church is autonomous in its practices.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_Church

Just reading this description of what Unity is, is something totally different from where I am.

It is interesting how people project people they dislike for whatever reason on to a group they
have had a similar feeling about, forgetting that actually these are different things and the trigger
might be mistaken.

I do understand how this happens, but am always wary of it myself. I like to know people before
tying a millstone round their necks and drowning them, lol.

 

[dcontroversal]

Originally Posted by PeterJens

My friend, as normal you have no answer to the core point, our forgiveness and purity.
This is the light you cannot face or agree with, but until you do, Jesus is a closed book to you,
even with all your theology, church going, bible training and all the good works
you do, though you deny you are working your way to heaven.

Maybe it is this that makes you angry, because you do so much and it adds up to nothing,
if you cannot accept Jesus has cleansed and purified you. But if you have not been cleansed
because you hold on sin, that would explain everything. I counsel repentance of those things
you know bring condemnation into your life. You are so proud of your behaviour, you boast of
these deeds like a badge of honour rather than shame that needs sorrow.

So lost yet so proud and presumptous. It is so ironic, when it is these things I am accused of
being, when all I do is hold onto Christ and His salvation and cleansing of my life, Amen


Hi Decon, I rebuke every word that is in this ugly God forsaken post and he begins this nonsense with, "My friend." Clever as the devil, notice how Jens uses Christian phrase's like; "to the core point, our forgiveness and purity." Pure nonsense "the core point" is not about "our forgiveness and purity" the core point is that God sent His Son Jesus to save us from our sins, period. "This is the light", He never mention's Jesus our Saviour, just things like "light", to distract everyone that sounds churchy. "Jesus is a closed book " More Churchy sounding nonsense.

All of Jens Christian phraseology is from the the bible, but it is all made up in his sinful mind, the gospel according to Jen's. I put him on ignore because I just could not look at his sugar coated chritianity any longer; it is a counterfeit Christ, period. You can tell by his choice of words to you he is filled with anger and hate.

People like this have Chosen Christianity to promote their spiritual lie's, "you will be like God," Gen3:5. It is all spiritual lies, that they sugar coat with Christianity. One such group that spreads his kind of nonsense is called, "Unity School of Christianity". You can Google it if you like. It has been around for fifty plus years and is considered a cult by main stream Christianity. It has a world wide membership and mostly they send you books and monthly pamphlet's. They also have church's that promote this false doctrine world wide and place's they call reading rooms with more of their literature.

All of Jens word's and phrase's are so similar to what Unity School of Christianity teaches. I've known family members who were trapped in this cult and I have been around it all my life. This christian cult also draws there awful teachig from other false religions like; eastern mythologies, its all a lie from hell and it will take you there unless you repent. Jens, beliefs are, a little bit of this and a little bit of that and he sugar coats everything with a false Jesus.

I am truly sorry Decon that you have to be subject to these kind of attacks, not that you are not able but because they should never happen in the first place, ya know. So I just want to be supportive and tell you to beware of Jens nonsense.

God bless migo.....

His words and or the words of those who defend his cafe blend false gospel mean less to me than absolute zero....a man, any man that states what he has stated about the imputed righteousness of Christ being a neat little trick that does not work testifies to the world that he does not know Jesus.....and those who blindly defend him are defending fallacy, error and words contrary to the Word of God.......tragically I might add......

 

[loveme1]

His words and or the words of those who defend his cafe blend false gospel mean less to me than absolute zero....a man, any man that states what he has stated about the imputed righteousness of Christ being a neat little trick that does not work testifies to the world that he does not know Jesus.....and those who blindly defend him are defending fallacy, error and words contrary to the Word of God.......tragically I might add......

What if we are speaking GOD's Truth to you?

Are you so sure that the error is not with you?

because all said and done.. there will be no friends backing us up in that day.. we will be accountable for everything we have shared for we who come in the name of GOD do so knowing every word will be held.

Are you absolutely sure you have Repented and Believed the Gospel?


For if we both testify yes but have a different belief system then one of us is lying or deceived.


May GOD be Glorified and none of us speak anything other than His Truth with a clear conscience toward Him.

All the likening to and unkindness is not fitting for here.

 

[dcontroversal]

What if we are speaking GOD's Truth to you?

Are you so sure that the error is not with you?

because all said and done.. there will be no friends backing us up in that day.. we will be accountable for everything we have shared for we who come in the name of GOD do so knowing every word will be held.

Are you absolutely sure you have Repented and Believed the Gospel?


For if we both testify yes but have a different belief system then one of us is lying or deceived.


May GOD be Glorified and none of us speak anything other than His Truth with a clear conscience toward Him.

All the likening to and unkindness is not fitting for here.

I am absolutley positive that neither of you are....He calls the imputed righteousness of Christ a neat little trick that does not work......

You jive that heretical statement with...

David described the blessedness of the man to who God imputes righteousness without works.

Nay, you are defending one who states things that directly contradicts the bible.....!

 

[PeterJens]

I am absolutley positive that neither of you are....He calls the imputed righteousness of Christ a neat little trick that does not work......

You jive that heretical statement with...

David described the blessedness of the man to who God imputes righteousness without works.

Nay, you are defending one who states things that directly contradicts the bible.....!

Amen to David.

The problem is you look at imputed righteousness as covering over present sin, so God does not
see it.

Now this doctrine was so blatent we had a thread going on how you could sin, and even while
sinning God forgave you.

Now the reason this shocked me, is because even unbelievers know this is theology of
psychopaths. They care nothing as they murder people, they justify it by saying the person
upset them, so they are now dead.

How is it the theology of psychopaths came to be the theology of Jesus.
Oh I know it stops people from being guilty about their sin, and can now hang out with God no
matter where they are. God is so open, the broad way is His way?????

Sorry lets get back to scripture and Jesus.

Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
Matt 7:13-14

The broad gate is so wide because it is lawless and has no constraints.

And the joke really is, ofcourse you will not accept Jesus covering your sin as you commit
it is heresy and a false teaching, because this is your faith.

I do not expect you to agree with me, all I am pointing out nothing in scripture implies this
is true. What you can argue, is God is graceful over sin, and calls people to account over
a period and not instantly, because it is often involved with many issues, and resolution is
not simple.

And the shocking thing is in Christian theology these bombs have been there for centuries,
though most believers were not aware and it did not affect their walk in Christ.

When you walk in love you simply do not want to sin, and get right with God if you do
succumb. What is shocking is how condemning these open sinners are of people walking
Holy righteous lives. The concept of wraiths is probably appropriate, those with the appearance
of spirituality but aimed to bring down Gods elect.

 

[Enow]

I am absolutley positive that neither of you are....He calls the imputed righteousness of Christ a neat little trick that does not work......

You jive that heretical statement with...

David described the blessedness of the man to who God imputes righteousness without works.

Nay, you are defending one who states things that directly contradicts the bible.....!

Is it possible that believers that refers to works as necessary for salvation are forgetting that the foundation which was laid by Jesus Christ which can never be removed... is that salvation received but how those works on that foundation will be judged? The works may get burned up, but the foundation is still there. It can never be destroyed neither can that seal of adoption can go away.

Ephesians 4:[SUP]30 [/SUP]And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption

Mayhap they are confusing other scriptures with being ready as found abiding in him to be saved from what is coming on the earth at or right after the pre trib rapture event.

2 Peter 3:[SUP]7 [/SUP]But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. [SUP]8 [/SUP]But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. [SUP]9 [/SUP]The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. [SUP]10 [/SUP]But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, [SUP]12 [/SUP]Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? [SUP]13 [/SUP]Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. [SUP]15 [/SUP]And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation;

Some may read that reference to apply it towards one's salvation in Jesus Christ that it is on them to be diligent and longsuffering to obtain it when in reality, it is about being found abiding in Him to escape the fiery judgment that is coming on the earth, and that has to be also done by the grace of God & by faith in Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd in helping us daily to lay aside every weight & sin in running that race to be accepted by Him.

So works on that foundation will be judged, but not our salvation because those unrepentant saints that are disqualified from the Marriage Supper for being workers of iniquity that gets left behind are still In His House, but to be received later on after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor in His House.

That is why His work on the cross is good enough because that foundation can never be removed nor that seal of adoption.

 

[dcontroversal]

Amen to David.

The problem is you look at imputed righteousness as covering over present sin, so God does not
see it.

Now this doctrine was so blatent we had a thread going on how you could sin, and even while
sinning God forgave you.

Now the reason this shocked me, is because even unbelievers know this is theology of
psychopaths. They care nothing as they murder people, they justify it by saying the person
upset them, so they are now dead.

How is it the theology of psychopaths came to be the theology of Jesus.
Oh I know it stops people from being guilty about their sin, and can now hang out with God no
matter where they are. God is so open, the broad way is His way?????

Sorry lets get back to scripture and Jesus.

Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
Matt 7:13-14

The broad gate is so wide because it is lawless and has no constraints.

And the joke really is, ofcourse you will not accept Jesus covering your sin as you commit
it is heresy and a false teaching, because this is your faith.

I do not expect you to agree with me, all I am pointing out nothing in scripture implies this
is true. What you can argue, is God is graceful over sin, and calls people to account over
a period and not instantly, because it is often involved with many issues, and resolution is
not simple.

And the shocking thing is in Christian theology these bombs have been there for centuries,
though most believers were not aware and it did not affect their walk in Christ.

When you walk in love you simply do not want to sin, and get right with God if you do
succumb. What is shocking is how condemning these open sinners are of people walking
Holy righteous lives. The concept of wraiths is probably appropriate, those with the appearance
of spirituality but aimed to bring down Gods elect.

You should study justified, sanctified, saved, sealed, redeemed, eternal, everlasting and too be honest...no wonder you miss the mark...you are still in your sin and have not fully trusted Christ for biblical salvation.....and your view of sin is skewed....and your misguided erroneous assessment of everyone.....assuming we live a lifestyle of sin because we believe in eternal security and the promises of Jesus....of the which you call an idol......wow....!

 

[loveme1]

I am absolutley positive that neither of you are....He calls the imputed righteousness of Christ a neat little trick that does not work......

You jive that heretical statement with...

David described the blessedness of the man to who God imputes righteousness without works.

Nay, you are defending one who states things that directly contradicts the bible.....!

No He states things that contradicts your interpretation of the Bible.


The verse you pertain to is in line with the Gospel.. in line with the New Covenant of GOD through His Son's Testament.

The washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit is by GOD's Grace through Faith.. that Faith leads us on the path of Righteousness... following Christ from within.

we are to Keep the Commandments of GOD through Faith in the Messiah.

Love and Truth go hand in hand..

Your offended not because we speak against Christ for we both speak of Christ and His Truth.. nay you are offended because we do not bow to heresy but Strengthened by GOD to shine His light even if we become enemies. The power of GOD is to speak but not lay charge.. for it is for Him not us we share freely..

You have once said so what at the Testimony of the Messiah In Revelation.. the Spirit within perceives and will lead us to Repent if we are not pleasing the King... what Spirit says so what?

You are fixated on something that you don't understand.

But may GOD pierce through that stubbornness...

 

[PeterJens]

You should study justified, sanctified, saved, sealed, redeemed, eternal, everlasting and too be honest...no wonder you miss the mark...you are still in your sin and have not fully trusted Christ for biblical salvation.....and your view of sin is skewed....and your misguided erroneous assessment of everyone.....assuming we live a lifestyle of sin because we believe in eternal security and the promises of Jesus....of the which you call an idol......wow....!

dc - you try so hard and fail to respond.

We are not trying to hit a mark as you put it. You are still a legalist at heart.
This is all about love, humbleness, meekness, taking the lower place than the highest.

Speaking the words of Christ, when you disagree, you deny your own standing. And to
disagree is sin itself and rebellion. You claim Jesus is your Lord yet you ignore Him.

And as far as trusting the cross, I do everyday, because that love shines brighter than
anything else in the universe.

What is also odd is lying about your own confession of a sinful life, and then saying, no
I am righteous and pure. If you are not righteous and pure then what are you?

You cannot really be this dumb? If things are not one way they are what? The other.
So my friend you cannot say I am wrong about a sinful lifestyle, else you are agreeing
one can walk righteously.

And I am talking not about everyone, just this discussion and your position within it.
So what do you have. Not scripture, not proving me wrong, not following Christ.

So I fear for you, because I cannot put it more clearly. We are called to love and
discover His ways, which are so alien to us sinners, but which He has made now possible.

For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin.
Heb 4:15

Jesus did not sin. He is our example to follow so we are not meant to sin.

he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him 10 and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek.
Heb 5:9-10

If you do not obey Him, you do not have eternal salvation, simple.

 

[VCO]

VCO the ordinance of man may require you to take a mark to be able to buy and sell... It may require you to denounce your Faith to live.... discernment.

if you think speeding is a sin according to GOD because of those verses.. well be careful not to entrap yourself elsewhere.

Daniel refused the Kings order....

Now speeding is a safety measure and we should all be careful not want to injure anyone by our wreck less behaviour.. So we discern that is fine. But if they were to say that our children must worship a statue each day I think we would discern a no, no because our Faith is our Hope and life and we do not worship statues.....

The only Exception to Rule, "SUBMIT TO EVERY ORDINANCE OF MAN FOR THE LORD'S SAKE", is when they command us to break GOD's Rule. I find it STRANGE, that you have NO CONVICTION THAT IT IS SIN, when you break the Speed Limit. A major part of the NEW NATURE of a Born Again Believer, is the Holy Spirit in him or her, brings conviction to the Heart, every time you stumble into sin; including when one breaks the speed limit; and the NEW NATURE in me reacts automatically WANTING to immedieately confess it as SIN, even when I look down and see that I forgot to set the Cruise Control, and see I am 2 mph over the Speed Limit. And you have NO SUCH CONVICTION IN YOUR HEART, which leads me to doubt if you were ever Born Again. No that IS NOT LEGALISM, it SPAWNS out of GENUINE LOVE for JESUS CHRIST, and has nothing to do works Righteousness.

John 14:15 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] “If you love Me, you will keepMy commands.


2 Timothy 3:16 (GWT)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Every Scripture passage is inspired by God. All of them are useful for teaching, pointing out errors, correcting people, and training them for a life that has God's approval.



1 Peter 2:13-15 (NKJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For this is the will*of God , that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men--


And what does JESUS say to those who practice Christianity, but ignore the command to be BORN AGAIN (establishing an inner personal LOVE Relationship, submitting to Him as LORD and MASTER)?


Matthew 7:21-23 (NKJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will* of My Father in heaven.
[SUP]22[/SUP] Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you {The result of being Born Again} ; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'


When there is NO GODLY LOVE in one claiming to be a CHRISTIAN, producing a LOVE based ATTITUDE of Wanting to do the Will of GOD as an act of LOVE for HIM; does that not produce clear evidence that person never was Born Again?


Romans 5:5 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] This hope will not disappoint ⌊us⌋, because God’s love has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.


WHY DO YOU THINK THIS HAS BECOME YOUR STUMBLING BLOCK?

Could it be you really like breaking the speed limit?

Can you put that "wrongful like" in the Collection Plate, giving it UP FOR HIM?

I feel guilty every time I accidently am speeding, why do you sense no guilt?

What does the unbeliever behind you think of your testimony for Christ, when you are breaking the LAW?