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Your right, in salvation, it is not in question.
However, in your gospel. It is. Your dependent on Self continuing to believe, and not God keeping you from falling from faith.
As I said yesterday
Faith is the substance of things hope for. The evidence of things not seen.
Our hope is eternal life (Titus) and God can not lie, he promised it before time began (predestination)
John said our faith relays in the knowledge we have eternal life. It's is the doubt we have eternal life which could cause someone to lose faith, And they would lose faith because they never trusted God to begin with. They had mental ascent, not real saving faith.
However, in your gospel. It is. Your dependent on Self continuing to believe, and not God keeping you from falling from faith.
As I said yesterday
Faith is the substance of things hope for. The evidence of things not seen.
Our hope is eternal life (Titus) and God can not lie, he promised it before time began (predestination)
John said our faith relays in the knowledge we have eternal life. It's is the doubt we have eternal life which could cause someone to lose faith, And they would lose faith because they never trusted God to begin with. They had mental ascent, not real saving faith.
I guess some must have skipped over Isaiah 55, v. 8 and 9, where God states that his ways are not our ways, his thoughts are not our thoughts.
I heard a pastor say this one time, " it seems as if a lot of people have the idea that they were carrying a A- average , and when they came to Christ, that bumped them up to an A+.
the truth is we are all an F-, Jesus makes us A+."
we were DEAD in out tresspases and sins, but made alive in Christ.
I heard a pastor say this one time, " it seems as if a lot of people have the idea that they were carrying a A- average , and when they came to Christ, that bumped them up to an A+.
the truth is we are all an F-, Jesus makes us A+."
we were DEAD in out tresspases and sins, but made alive in Christ.
Please, get your facts straight. The difference between believing in Him in your Head, and Believing in Him in your Heart is the same difference between going through the Wide Gate onto the Broad Road to Destruction, OR coming through the Narrow Gate onto the Narrow Difficult Road, that FEW FIND, which leads to Eternal Life. Those on the Broad Road put some or all of their Trust on SELF to keep their Salvation, thus ending up being destroyed in the Lake of Fire; While those on the Narrow Difficult Road put ALL OF THEIR TRUST ON JESUS TO KEEP THEIR SALVATION.
Matthew 7:13-14 (HCSB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] “Enter through the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the road is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who go through it.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] How narrow is the gate and difficult the road that leads to life, and few find it.
NO, --- FAITH is part of the FREE GIFT OF GRACE THAT IS NOT OF YOURSELF, IT SAYS SO. YOU MUST HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT in you who POURS GOD'S LOVE INTO YOUR HEART, WHICH KEEPS YOUR FAITH AND LOVE FOR HIM.
GOD'S LOVE IN YOUR HEART IS THE SOURCE OUT OF WHICH EVERYTHING ELSE SPAWNS, INCLUDING OBEDIENCE. NO PATTING YOURSELF ON THE BACK FOR ANY OF IT, ALL THE GLORY BELONGS TO HIM.
Ephesians 2:8-9 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For you are saved by grace through faith, and this is not from yourselves; it is God’s gift—
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not from works, so that no one can boast.
Romans 5:5 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] This hope will not disappoint us, because God’s love has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
WE GET NONE OF THE CREDIT.
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Thank you E-g, folks here need to keep hearing the true gospel and when they see a counterfeit gospel it will be clear as day. This is exactly why I say that Phart has a, "Pancake Theology", because he keeps flipping flopping his statements with, "no resolve."
God bless
"I have no answer to your question
Good morning Mr Deacon, last week I gave notice to this forum that you were going on to my "Ignore List", It is not because you are not a nice person it is because your bible questions to me are confusing and unrelated to the topic being discussed, just like this one.
When I did try to answer your questions before with honest and sincere answers your replies were just more confusing contradictions. Please be well and God bless. Back to, "The Land of Ignore"
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Apparently not, if you think that we have the sum total of salvation right now. We have salvation, but only a deposit of what is to come, not the entirety.
Yes, I am born again. I have the deposit of the Holy Spirit in me. And I have that deposit because I am believing in Christ right now, real time. I'm not relying on a past believing that has ended. The believing I had to do to be saved is still happening right now at this very moment, therefore, I am saved right now this very moment. If I stop believing and, as a result, go back to the world, I will lose the deposit of the Holy Spirit and be lost on the Day of Salvation.
Yes, I am born again. I have the deposit of the Holy Spirit in me. And I have that deposit because I am believing in Christ right now, real time. I'm not relying on a past believing that has ended. The believing I had to do to be saved is still happening right now at this very moment, therefore, I am saved right now this very moment. If I stop believing and, as a result, go back to the world, I will lose the deposit of the Holy Spirit and be lost on the Day of Salvation.
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You seem to have not been aware that the rest of our salvation is yet to come, and that we inherit the rest of our salvation that is still outstanding THROUGH FAITH AND PATIENCE:
11And we desire that each one of you show the same diligence so as to realize the full assurance of hope until the end, 12so that you will not be sluggish, but imitators of those who through faith and patience inherit the promises." (Hebrews 6:11-12 NASB)
You didn't realize this because the church is not teaching this, and because you are not reading the Bible for yourself, but are reading it through the lens of what you have been taught so you can't see what it actually says. You have been taught that you have it all now and that there is nothing to do or believe from here on out to lay hold of the hope that still awaits us.
24For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is seen is not hope; for who hopes for what he already sees? 25But if we hope for what we do not see, with perseverance we wait eagerly for it." (Romans 8:24-25 NASB)
11And we desire that each one of you show the same diligence so as to realize the full assurance of hope until the end, 12so that you will not be sluggish, but imitators of those who through faith and patience inherit the promises." (Hebrews 6:11-12 NASB)
You didn't realize this because the church is not teaching this, and because you are not reading the Bible for yourself, but are reading it through the lens of what you have been taught so you can't see what it actually says. You have been taught that you have it all now and that there is nothing to do or believe from here on out to lay hold of the hope that still awaits us.
24For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is seen is not hope; for who hopes for what he already sees? 25But if we hope for what we do not see, with perseverance we wait eagerly for it." (Romans 8:24-25 NASB)
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The 'do good works' part? That's the result of believing in and receiving God's forgiveness. Just as "bad works" are the result of not believing in God's forgiveness.
This is what is so confusing about Pfart counterfeit gospel; He say's, "The 'do good works' part? ",
"the result of our believing" and then, don't do the, "bad works" "part, which is the result of
"not believing God's forgivness.",
A confusing fake gospel; instead of letting God be in charge of saving our soul, Phart has put human beings in charge of saving your soul, more flip flopping "pancake theology", from Mr. Phart. False gospel = false Savior.
Thank you VCO for this post,
God bess
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The 'do good works' part? That's the result of believing in and receiving God's forgiveness. Just as "bad works" are the result of not believing in God's forgiveness.
This is what is so confusing about Pfart counterfeit gospel; He say's, "The 'do good works' part? ", "the result of our believing"
and then, don't do the, "bad works" "part, which is the result of "not believing God's forgivness.", A confusing fake gospel; instead of letting God be in charge of saving our soul, Phart has put human beings in charge of saving your soul, more flip flopping "pancake theology", from Mr. Phart. False gospel = false Savior.
Thank you VCO for this post,
God bess
]No, you must believe to keep it. Believing is how you access the forgiveness of God in Christ's blood. No faith--no forgiveness of God. No forgiveness of God--no protection from the coming Day of Wrath.
The 'do good works' part? That's the result of believing in and receiving God's forgiveness. Just as bad works are the result of not believing in God's forgiveness.
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Just post the scripture that says 'believing' is a work of the damnable works gospel and you will have made your point. So far no one has done that, yet they continue their rhetoric about how 'believing' is me trying to save myself by my own works. You have no credible argument until you can produce some scripture that shows us believing is an evil work of self righteousness. Surely chapter and verse should be right at your fingertips. Post it.
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Here, read this:
"5For we through the Spirit, by faith, are waiting for the hope of righteousness." (Galatians 5:5 NASB)
But you people think you have it all now, because that's what you have been taught and which causes you to not see what the Bible actually says about this matter. And since you think you have it all now you think you don't have to do or think or believe anything from here on out to get what remains outstanding in our salvation.
Context, context, gb9. That's means the context of the WHOLE Bible.
"5For we through the Spirit, by faith, are waiting for the hope of righteousness." (Galatians 5:5 NASB)
But you people think you have it all now, because that's what you have been taught and which causes you to not see what the Bible actually says about this matter. And since you think you have it all now you think you don't have to do or think or believe anything from here on out to get what remains outstanding in our salvation.
Context, context, gb9. That's means the context of the WHOLE Bible.
Epheasians2:1
"As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins,"
Dead men cannot believe,, that is why people are continually admonishing you to cease your false gospel. Believing in Christ for our eternal salvation is a work of God from the beginning to our glorification.
"Any goodness that comes from you or myself is a result of what God has done", you have flipped the gospel to make it all about what you have done.
"As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins,"
Dead men cannot believe,, that is why people are continually admonishing you to cease your false gospel. Believing in Christ for our eternal salvation is a work of God from the beginning to our glorification.
"Any goodness that comes from you or myself is a result of what God has done", you have flipped the gospel to make it all about what you have done.
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here we have a classic argument tactic- instead of addressing your error about Romans 8 18 - being about receiving salvation at some future time, when it is actually about the new creation, you throw out a random verse, once again with no context.
you seem to be here to push a works-based salvation., oh and by the way, I have read the Bible cover to cover about 16-18 times so, I know what the whole thing says. you want to chop it into pieces and build theology around the pieces.
you seem to be here to push a works-based salvation., oh and by the way, I have read the Bible cover to cover about 16-18 times so, I know what the whole thing says. you want to chop it into pieces and build theology around the pieces.
