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Hizikyah

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 7:19, The circumcision is naught, and the uncircumcision is naught, but the guarding of the commands of Yah does matter!”[/FONT]
 
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eternally-gratefull

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The only part of the law that was fulfilled was the law of sacrifice and any law that requires the death of a person, other than that what part of the law that can't be kept? What homosexuality, adultery, lying, stealing, hate, lust of the heart, wearing material that a 100% cotton or 100% linen in other words no mixed material. He said that His laws were not grievous. Please tell me what laws and commandments can't be kept?
Oh and by the way, Jesus fulfilled the moral law also. He did what no other man has ever done, He never sinned, which means he and he alone confirmed and obeyed every word written.
 
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Imagine this on a Christian forum:

"Jesus only fulfilled the sacrifice part of the Law."

- and -

"I'm fulfilling the rest on my lonesome."

Unbelievable.
 

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Oh and by the way, Jesus fulfilled the moral law also. He did what no other man has ever done, He never sinned, which means he and he alone confirmed and obeyed every word written.
Yes this is true;

and it's also true that the Law still stands;

Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahanan, saw the holy city, YHWH Shammah, coming down from YHWH out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father.”

and that we are to follow it;

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law* through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law*!"

*“Law” is word # G3551 – nomos, Strong's Concordance, nomos: that which is assigned, hence usage, law, Original Word: νόμος, ου, ὁ, Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine, Transliteration: nomos, Phonetic Spelling: (nom'-os), Short Definition: a law, the Mosaic Law, Definition: usage, custom, law; in NT: of, law in general, plur: of divine laws; of a force or influence impelling to action; of the Mosaic law;, metion: of the books which contain the law, the Pentateuch, the Old Testament scriptures in general

Romans, “6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin* that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"

*What is sin, that we may not continue in it?

1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

as it is the true standard of Love;

Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

1 Timothy 1:5, “Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned.”

1 Timothy 1:5-7, " But the goal* of our instruction/command is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions."

*goalis word #G5056 télos - Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)

HELPS Word-studies – 5056 télos (a neuter noun) – properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all its results.

1 John 4:20, “"If someone says, "I love Yah," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love Yah whom he has not seen."

1 Yahanan /John 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

1 John 4:19-21, "We love Him, because He first loved us. If anyone says: I love YHWH, and hates his neighbor, he is a liar; for he who does not love his neighbor whom he has seen, how can he love YHWH Whom he has not seen? For we have this commandment from Him: That he who loves YHWH must love his neighbor also."

Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."

Mat 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."

"iniquity" is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459, Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law, 1a) because ignorant of it, 1b) because of violating it, 2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of YHWH: When we love YHWH by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of YHWH: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."
 
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Imagine this on a Christian forum:

"Jesus only fulfilled the sacrifice part of the Law."

- and -

"I'm fulfilling the rest on my lonesome."

Unbelievable.
not for those who have been here to witness such silliness so it is believable lol,just not accurate.
 

TruthTalk

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I'll let someone else respond to this :confused:
Hi UnderGrace, to say that the only law that Jesus fulfilled is the, "Law of Sacrifice", is not true; and to try to make sense of the remainder of TrueHebrew3's post, is impossible.

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill."Matthew5:17

I'm with you let someone else respond.

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TrueHebrew3

"The only part of the law that was fulfilled was the law of sacrifice and any law that requires the death of a person, other than that what part of the law that can't be kept? What homosexuality, adultery, lying, stealing, hate, lust of the heart, wearing material that a 100% cotton or 100% linen in other words no mixed material. He said that His laws were not grievous. Please tell me what laws and commandments can't be kept?"​




 

Hizikyah

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John/Yahanan 15:5-16, "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and letting My words; abide in you, you will ask what you will, and it will be done for you. In this is My Father glorified: when you produce much fruit; and in this way you become My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you; continue in My love. If you keep My Commands, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's Commands, and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be complete. This is My Command: Love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: that one would lay down his life on behalf of his brothers. You are My brothers, if you do whatever I command you."



John/Yahanan 16:5-16, "5, “But now I go away to Him who sent Me, and not one of you asks Me, ‘Where are You going?’ 6, “But because I have said these words to you, grief has filled your heart. 7, “But I say the truth to you. It is better for you that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper shall not come to you at all, but if I go, I shall send Him to you. 8, “And having come, He shall convict the world concerning sin, and concerning righteousness, and concerning judgment, 9, concerning sin because they do not believe in Me, 10, concerning righteousness because I go to My Father and you see Me no more, 11, concerning judgment because the ruler of this world is judged. 12, “I still have many words to say to you, but you are not able to bear them now. 13, “But when He comes, the Spirit of the Truth, He shall guide you into all the truth. For He shall not speak from Himself, but whatever He hears He shall speak, and He shall announce to you what is to come. 14, “He shall esteem Me, for He shall take of what is Mine and announce it to you. 15, “All that the Father has is Mine. That is why I said that He takes from what is Mine and announces it to you. 16, “A little while, and you do not see Me, and again a little while, and you shall see Me.”


John/Yahanan 6:27, John 6:27, “Do not labor for the food that is perishing, but for the food that is remaining to everlasting life, which the Son of Aḏam shall give you, for the Father, Yah, has set His seal on Him.”
 

Hizikyah

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How can we who died to sin still live in it

Romans 6:1-6, “What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Messiah Yahshua were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Messiah was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his.”

How can we who died to sin still live in it


1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."


Romans 5:13, "For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law."


Romans 4:15, "Because the law works wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression."


1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Law is not in us."


1 John 2:1-2, "My little children, I write these things to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father: Yahshua Messiah, the Righteous; and He is the sacrifice of atonement for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."


1 John 3:7, "Little children, let no man deceive you; he who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous."


1 John 5:17, "All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not unto death."

 
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There is no support from anyone in church history that agrees with the, well, hate to say it AGAIN, heresy of someone stating Jesus only fulfilled the sacrifice part of the Law.

This is why God gave us godly men in the church as checks and balances and teachers of the truths of the Gospel and Scripture; Ephesians 4:11; Hebrews 13:17; Acts 20:28; 1 Corinthians 16:15, 16 &c. Therefore anyone bringing a contrary teaching is to be rejected as they are attacking both Christ, and His Gospel.

Here is John Gill on this matter:

I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. By "the law" is meant the moral law, as appears from the whole discourse following: this he came not to "destroy", or loose men's obligations to, as a rule of walk and conversation, but "to fulfil" it; which he did doctrinally, by setting it forth fully, and giving the true sense and meaning of it; and practically, by yielding perfect obedience to all its commands, whereby he became "the end", the fulfilling end of it. By "the prophets" are meant the writings of the prophets, in which they illustrated and explained the law of Moses; urged the duties of it; encouraged men thereunto by promises; and directed the people to the Messiah, and to an expectation of the blessings of grace by him: all which explanations, promises, and prophecies, were so far from being made void by Christ, that they receive their full accomplishment in him. The Jews (t) pretend that these words of Christ are contrary to the religion and faith of his followers, who assert, that the law of Moses is abolished; which is easily refuted, by observing the exact agreement between Christ and the Apostle Paul, Rom_3:31 and whenever he, or any other of the apostles, speaks of the abrogation of the law, it is to be understood of the ceremonial law, which in course ceased by being fulfilled; or if of the moral law, not of the matter, but of the ministry of it.
 
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Yes I agree for sure :)

I just do not understand this thinking, if one owns the entire bible, so it is hard for me to respond.

Hi UnderGrace, to say that the only law that Jesus fulfilled is the, "Law of Sacrifice", is not true; and to try to make sense of the remainder of TrueHebrew3's post, is impossible.

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill."Matthew5:17

I'm with you let someone else respond.

Quote:
TrueHebrew3

"The only part of the law that was fulfilled was the law of sacrifice and any law that requires the death of a person, other than that what part of the law that can't be kept? What homosexuality, adultery, lying, stealing, hate, lust of the heart, wearing material that a 100% cotton or 100% linen in other words no mixed material. He said that His laws were not grievous. Please tell me what laws and commandments can't be kept?"​



 

mailmandan

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So the Messiah's Testament is not to be believed? you are teaching the Commandments as being affirmed in those verses you share... yet the Messiah teaching you to Keep even the least you will not believe.. yet The Greatest Commandment is to Love GOD and GOD states those that Love Him Keep His Commandments... why would we not delight that Sabbath was made for man and it is lawful to do good.. knowing that it is a Blessing in a Blessing.. and being under Grace at Liberty we can Love and obey.. for all things are through Faith when we believe and there is no condemnation for we that are in Christ who walk after the Spirit. The Spirit of life indeed.
Straw man argument. I already covered this but you just don't seem to get it.
 
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Moses stated after the ten commands wer given, and some other commands which were with them, that the nation was to confirm they would obey ever word written in the law.

Paul re-iterated that the fact we have not fulfilled that part of the requirement, we are under a curse. As he also said in romans 3, All have sinned and fall short.

So why would you follow a law which can only condemn you, And not follow Christ who gave his life to save you.
Answer the question, what laws can't be followed?
 

Magenta

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Who knows which commandments you have failed to keep today? I mean, it is not like I follow you around trying to catch you out. But when you blatantly lie about people on this very board in response to Scripture being posted, it is rather hard to miss.
 
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You do not keep them. Just yesterday you bore false witness.
No, you don't keep them, nothing that I said was false because I used the words of TMH God, that's the difference between you and me I use scriptures you use your carnal mind. If you speak to me, speak with the oricales of TMH.