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VCO

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So the Messiah's Testament is not to be believed? you are teaching the Commandments as being affirmed in those verses you share... yet the Messiah teaching you to Keep even the least you will not believe.. yet The Greatest Commandment is to Love GOD and GOD states those that Love Him Keep His Commandments... why would we not delight that Sabbath was made for man and it is lawful to do good.. knowing that it is a Blessing in a Blessing.. and being under Grace at Liberty we can Love and obey.. for all things are through Faith when we believe and there is no condemnation for we that are in Christ who walk after the Spirit. The Spirit of life indeed.
Okey let's put WHAT YOU ARE IMPLYING to the TEST of Scripture:

Exodus 31:13-17 (HCSB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] “
Tell the Israelites: You must observe My Sabbaths, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, so that you will know that I am Yahweh who sets you apart.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Observe the Sabbath, for it is holy to you. Whoever profanes it must be put to death. If anyone does work on it, that person must be cut off from his people.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Work may be done for six days, but on the seventh day there must be a Sabbath of complete rest, dedicated to the LORD. Anyone who does work on the Sabbath day must be put to death.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] The Israelites must observe the Sabbath, celebrating it throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] It is a sign forever between Me and the Israelites, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, but on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.”


Proverbs 30:6 (ESV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.


NOW WHOM DID HE MAKE THAT STATEMENT TO, the one I changed to RED in your post?



Mark 2:24-27 (HCSB)

[SUP]24 [/SUP] The Pharisees said to Him, “Look, why are they doing what is not lawful on the Sabbath?”
[SUP]25 [/SUP] He said to them, “Have you never read what David and those who were with him did when he was in need and hungry—
[SUP]26 [/SUP] how he entered the house of God in the time of Abiathar the high priest and ate the sacred bread—which is not lawful for anyone to eat except the priests—and also gave some to his companions?”
[SUP]27 [/SUP] Then He told them, “The Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath.



Hebrews 7:11-19 (HCSB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] If then, perfection came through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there for another priest to appear, said to be in the order of Melchizedek {both High Priest and KING} and not in the order of Aaron?
[SUP]12 [/SUP] For when there is a change of the priesthood,
there must be a change of law as well
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[SUP]13 [/SUP] For the One these things are spoken about belonged to a different tribe. No one from it has served at the altar.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Now it is evident that our Lord came from Judah, and Moses said nothing about that tribe concerning priests.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] And this becomes clearer if another priest like Melchizedek {both High Priest and KING} appears,
[SUP]16 [/SUP] who did not become a ⌊priest⌋ based on a legal command concerning physical descent but based on the power of an indestructible life.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For it has been testified: You are a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek {both High Priest and KING} .
[SUP]18 [/SUP] So the previous command is annulled because it was weak and unprofitable
[SUP]19 [/SUP] (for the law perfected nothing), but a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God.



HENCE:


Hebrews 10:19-22 (HCSB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Therefore, brothers, since we have boldness to enter the sanctuary through the blood of Jesus,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] by a new and living way He has opened for us through the curtain (that is, His flesh),
[SUP]21 [/SUP] and since we have a great high priest over the house of God,
[SUP]22 [/SUP] let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, our hearts sprinkled ⌊clean⌋ from an evil conscience and our bodies washed in pure water.

Hebrews 10:23-25 (HCSB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] Let us hold on to the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] And let us be concerned about one another in order to promote love and good works,
[SUP]25 [/SUP] not staying away from our ⌊worship⌋ meetings, as some habitually do, but encouraging each other, and all the more as you see the day drawing near.

THE ONLY WORSHIP COMMAND IN THE NEW TESTAMENT
 

VCO

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No one can keep all ten commandments.. NO ONE..

James 2:10 (CSBBible)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For whoever keeps the entire law, and yet stumbles at one point,
is guilty of breaking it all.

Romans 3:20 (CSBBible)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For no one will be justified in his sight by the works of the law,
because the knowledge of sin comes through the law.
 
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The only part of the law that was fulfilled was the law of sacrifice and any law that requires the death of a person, other than that what part of the law that can't be kept? What homosexuality, adultery, lying, stealing, hate, lust of the heart, wearing material that a 100% cotton or 100% linen in other words no mixed material. He said that His laws were not grievous. Please tell me what laws and commandments can't be kept?

The ones that are ceremonial in nature. Can't worship shadows rather than substance.
 

VCO

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You know why, because there is not one law or commandment that is too hard to keep, edomite.

Sounds to me like you have a very superficial or Pharisee-like understanding of the Commandments.

Romans 3:20 (CSBBible)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For no one will be justified in his sight by the works of the law,
because the knowledge of sin comes through the law.

James 2:10 (CSBBible)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For whoever keeps the entire law, and yet stumbles at one point,
is guilty of breaking it all.


Romans 3:9-12 (HCSB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] What then? Are we any better? Not at all! For we have previously charged
that both Jews and Gentiles are all under sin,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] as it is written: There is no one righteous, not even one.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] There is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] All have turned away; all alike have become useless. There is no one
who does what is good, not even one.
 
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The willing heart is a Believing heart.... Repent and Believe the willing heart will..

God must do the first works. A person must have a new heart and a new spirit as one that is willing to do the will of another before we can comfort tourselves called repenting. We believe as he give us the his faith to make it possible to turn , after he turns us then we can comfort our own selves . Repentance is a work of our Comforter, Teacher and Guide. and not of our own selves lest any man boast in false pride.
 

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No, you don't keep them, nothing that I said was false because I used the words of TMH God, that's the difference between you and me I use scriptures you use your carnal mind. If you speak to me, speak with the oricales of TMH.
You are a liar today as well, bearing false witness about yourself, no less. Maybe you should go confess on the Have you sinned on CC today? board. Make sure to confess you lying about lying and the original lie itself, when you claimed I don't read the Old Testament.
 
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No one can keep all ten commandments.. NO ONE..
So you and nobody else can love others , love God and love yourself?

Romans 13:8-10
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For this, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” [SUP]10 [/SUP]Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
 
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You know why, because there is not one law or commandment that is too hard to keep, edomite.

They are all easy when a person is yoked with Christ he makes are burden lighter. Christ alone can keep the commandments perfectly without violating the least.

Scripture defines the word keep and how it is applied. Only Christ remained without sin .. And the wage of one sin is still eternal separation.

Why use the word Edomite? Is there a commandment requiring you to do so?
 
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So you and nobody else can love others , love God and love yourself.

Romans 13:8-10
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For this, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” [SUP]10 [/SUP]Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Loving one another is the exception (except to love one another;) it a debt that will never be satisfied by us.

He who continually loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.
 

Amberlight

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Loving one another is the exception (except to love one another;) it a debt that will never be satisfied by us.

He who continually loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.
Or more accurately half of the law.

Law of our lord is.

“‘Which commandment is the most important of all?’ Jesus answered, ‘The most important is, “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.” The second is this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” There is no other commandment greater than these.’”

If one loves lord but do not love his neighbor has failed the law.
If one loves his neighbor but not God has failed the law.

All other "laws" flow from these statements.
 
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Or more accurately half of the law.

Law of our lord is.

“‘Which commandment is the most important of all?’ Jesus answered, ‘The most important is, “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.” The second is this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” There is no other commandment greater than these.’”

If one loves lord but do not love his neighbor has failed the law.
If one loves his neighbor but lord has failed the law.

All other "laws" flow from these statements.


Romans 13:8-10
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For this, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” [SUP]10 [/SUP]Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
 

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Galatians 5:14
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 4:20, “"If someone says, "I love Yah," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love Yah whom he has not seen."[/FONT]
 
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Genesis 35:2, “Then Jacob said unto his household, and to all that were with him, Put away the strange gods that are among you, and be clean, and change your garments.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]How did he know it was wrong when there was no law written not to have idols or other gods? there are other laws in Genesis showing they knew the law before written down.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Genesis 26:5, “Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my (H8451) Laws.”[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Laws” is word #HH8451- [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]תּרה תּורה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], tôrâh tôrâh, to-raw', to-raw', From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]So according to this Abraham kept the Torah/Law and to argue with that is to argue with the written word is it not?[/FONT]


Also the Law of the Most High was before Abraham:

7:2, "“Of all the clean beasts take with you seven pairs, a male and his female; and of the beasts that are unclean two, a male and his female;"

For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ
 

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Galatians 5:14
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Are you trying to suggest that the most important commandment given by Jesus do not exist.
One can be saved without loving our lord ?

“‘Which commandment is the most important of all?’ Jesus answered, ‘The most important is, “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.”

Now the first and most important commandment was and for us all should still be such certainty that not one forgets it nor even needs to debate about.

Galatians 5:14 Do not mean we are not to love our lord or without love of lord law can be fulfilled.
 
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Are you trying to suggest that the most important commandment given by Jesus do not exist.
One can be saved without loving our lord ?

“‘Which commandment is the most important of all?’ Jesus answered, ‘The most important is, “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.”

Now the first and most important commandment was and for us all should still be such certainty that not one forgets it nor even needs to debate about.

Galatians 5:14 Do not mean we are not to love our lord or without love of lord law can be fulfilled.
Matt 22:36-40

[SUP]36 [/SUP]“Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” [SUP]37 [/SUP]And He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ [SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the great and foremost commandment. [SUP]39 [/SUP]The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ [SUP]40 [/SUP]On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”

He was not wrong and neither are you, so why are you making hay.
 

Hizikyah

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For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ
halleluYah! for all His deeds, for we have a supreme and righteous Father who not only put forth what true righteousness and love is but also is perfect in mercy!

Jeremiah 9:23-25, "Thus said יהוה, “Let not the wise boast in his wisdom, let not the mighty boast in his might, nor let the rich boast in his riches, but let him who boasts boast of this, that he understands and knows Me, that I am יהוה, doing loving-commitment, right-ruling, and righteousness in the earth. For in these I delight,” declares יהוה See, the days are coming,” declares יהוה, “when I shall punish all circumcised with the uncircumcised."