Not By Works
- Thread starter dcontroversal
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Acts 20:28 - Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. 29 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves.
I know the truth. It appears you who grew up in the church, went to bible school and
should be teaching from scripture by now have walked away.
If you do not know the Holiness of Christ in your life, where has your life been.
Baby christians know this reality in their lives. What discourages them so much is how
weak the flesh is to go back to the old ways.
This is why discipline, training, persevearance, faithfulness, love, hope as all gifts of
the Holy Spirit and He calls us to walk, rejoicing and knowing the victory of the Son
in our daily lives.
It appears many have lost this saltiness and so will be thrown away as Jesus said,
You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.
Matt 5:13
should be teaching from scripture by now have walked away.
If you do not know the Holiness of Christ in your life, where has your life been.
Baby christians know this reality in their lives. What discourages them so much is how
weak the flesh is to go back to the old ways.
This is why discipline, training, persevearance, faithfulness, love, hope as all gifts of
the Holy Spirit and He calls us to walk, rejoicing and knowing the victory of the Son
in our daily lives.
It appears many have lost this saltiness and so will be thrown away as Jesus said,
You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.
Matt 5:13
I have no clue what you are talking about.
What matters to me is to run after my Saviour, because I love Him and His ways, for life
glory and everything grow in His path and way.
I invite you to follow also and learn how obeying His commands with the Holy Spirit bring
you into new life. It is a mystery how we get so involved in hurts and sin, but when our
Lord comes heals and calls to follow, we find we are a new creation, made for the glory of
the King. Amen.
What matters to me is to run after my Saviour, because I love Him and His ways, for life
glory and everything grow in His path and way.
I invite you to follow also and learn how obeying His commands with the Holy Spirit bring
you into new life. It is a mystery how we get so involved in hurts and sin, but when our
Lord comes heals and calls to follow, we find we are a new creation, made for the glory of
the King. Amen.
Matthew 28
16Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. 17And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. 18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
16Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. 17And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. 18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Here is the core problem.
We are not in need of salvation, as long as we live in this body rather we are saved into eternity.
We are dead, literally without communion with the King, from now to eternity.
This dependency is the breadth of life itself.
We are a branch in the vine, and gain our sustenance from the vine and can do nothing
apart from the vine, because we are the branches within the Kingdom.
What you are describing is a view we are actually not one with God, just because of our
fallen flesh do we need saving. With a new body, we can carry on as independant individuals
going our own way.
The truth is so different. We are separate from God as one individual is separate from another,
but we are one with Him in intention, love, hope, life and goals.
But I get the feeling this is not the oneness certain believers have with God, because His word
does not dwell richly in their hearts. Or to quote someone, the sermon on the mount rather than
being the breadth of life to them, is just continual condemnation.
This speaks the truth of where we are with Christ our Lord.
It is privilege to hear Christs words as fresh today as when they were first spoken to His disciples,
because the message of purity, holiness and love is as needed today as it was then.
Brothers and sisters in Christ this is our calling
Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.
Heb 12:14
Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives
2 Peter 3:11
We are not in need of salvation, as long as we live in this body rather we are saved into eternity.
We are dead, literally without communion with the King, from now to eternity.
This dependency is the breadth of life itself.
We are a branch in the vine, and gain our sustenance from the vine and can do nothing
apart from the vine, because we are the branches within the Kingdom.
What you are describing is a view we are actually not one with God, just because of our
fallen flesh do we need saving. With a new body, we can carry on as independant individuals
going our own way.
The truth is so different. We are separate from God as one individual is separate from another,
but we are one with Him in intention, love, hope, life and goals.
But I get the feeling this is not the oneness certain believers have with God, because His word
does not dwell richly in their hearts. Or to quote someone, the sermon on the mount rather than
being the breadth of life to them, is just continual condemnation.
This speaks the truth of where we are with Christ our Lord.
It is privilege to hear Christs words as fresh today as when they were first spoken to His disciples,
because the message of purity, holiness and love is as needed today as it was then.
Brothers and sisters in Christ this is our calling
Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.
Heb 12:14
Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives
2 Peter 3:11
Can’t be resolved by a work you or any man could do... as a sign you have the Holy Spirit. . That would be following the apostate Jews .They required a sign before they would believe rather than walking by the faith of God that comes from hearing His voice through His scriptures. Scripture was of no effect to them .
John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me (Not of your own selves)
The one eternal wage of sin is resolved by one work of Christ’s faith as a labor of His love that works in the believer to both will and perform the good purpose of God. (imputed righteousness )
The law of grace remains un-touched. Judging the law because some think others use it as a license to sin does not make the grace of God without effect .It simply does despite to the Spirit of grace. Christ will do the sorting out on the last days.
Hebrews 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
We live by the Spirit of grace as a work of Christ ‘s faith working in us in us. and do not draw back and crucify him over and over to public shame as if one demonstration to show all the work is finished was not enough.
Now the just shall live by faith( Christ’s that comes from hearing God) but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the “saving of the soul”. Heb 10:38
Get under the law of grace and not judge it. It faithfully works to the “saving of the soul”..
He never praised men who do despite to His Spirit of grace.He said I never knew you who work iniquity. Christ is the one we are to follow after not the Pharisees’ with Sadducees. They crucified Christ.
John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me (Not of your own selves)
The one eternal wage of sin is resolved by one work of Christ’s faith as a labor of His love that works in the believer to both will and perform the good purpose of God. (imputed righteousness )
The law of grace remains un-touched. Judging the law because some think others use it as a license to sin does not make the grace of God without effect .It simply does despite to the Spirit of grace. Christ will do the sorting out on the last days.
Hebrews 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
We live by the Spirit of grace as a work of Christ ‘s faith working in us in us. and do not draw back and crucify him over and over to public shame as if one demonstration to show all the work is finished was not enough.
Now the just shall live by faith( Christ’s that comes from hearing God) but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the “saving of the soul”. Heb 10:38
Get under the law of grace and not judge it. It faithfully works to the “saving of the soul”..
He never praised men who do despite to His Spirit of grace.He said I never knew you who work iniquity. Christ is the one we are to follow after not the Pharisees’ with Sadducees. They crucified Christ.
Last edited:
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 10:27-30, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; neither will any man snatch them out of My hand. My Father, Who gave them to Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand: I and My Father are in accord."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 8:31, "...If you continue in My doctrine, then you are truly My disciples."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 8:31, "...If you continue in My doctrine, then you are truly My disciples."[/FONT]
Are you blind.....re-read his post and then speak truth...he has on more than one occasion mouthed about my military service as well as others....and funny thing...one of his own buddies and countrymen was the one who asked for me to put my Marine pic back up....
Originally Posted by PeterJens
It is like dc and his military picture. He did not choose it someone else did. Lol. He wants to push his
army background, and his gun totting life style. I can imagine either you convert or are blown away,
sounds like Riddick, lol hahahahahahahaha.
Originally Posted by PeterJens
It is like dc and his military picture. He did not choose it someone else did. Lol. He wants to push his
army background, and his gun totting life style. I can imagine either you convert or are blown away,
sounds like Riddick, lol hahahahahahahaha.
I have wondered at this wind up tactic.
So a believer is going along, and someone who he imagines is a friend, sends a dart of
accusation and faith undermining content. They continue this until the victim finally gets
annoyed. Then they say, aha, you were not so really spiritual after all, got you.
Who does this? Does this bring glory to Christ and build others up, or is it just a way of
seeing the heart of the people one is facing?
The tactic works as long as you face people who do not know Christ that well, and cannot
say, God bless you, my friend, because whatever is driving you, it is not out of love or the
grace of Christ through the cross.
By the way the reason I touched on the military issue, is because dc has an unusual sensitivity
to this, and loves to picture himself as the faithful soldier fighting the hordes of evil believers who
populate the church, who he wishes to expose and expel.
Christs ways are simple. If you do not abide in the vine you will wither and die.
And if these brothers really annoy you, pray for them, lift them before the King and leave them there
because whatever is driving them it will continue to do so until they bow before the King.
I remember something that struck me about mourning. For some it is the most consistent feeling they
have ever felt, and do not understand why it is so strong. It then comes to define them for the rest
of their lives.
So I wonder if this is what defines some here. Rather than it being Christ it is actually their military
experiences as a youngster, which tells you more than I need to about how deeply they see the cross
and their walk above these emotionally defining experiences.
For me Christ defines the high points of who I am, no matter where I have gone and done, He is the
best.
So a believer is going along, and someone who he imagines is a friend, sends a dart of
accusation and faith undermining content. They continue this until the victim finally gets
annoyed. Then they say, aha, you were not so really spiritual after all, got you.
Who does this? Does this bring glory to Christ and build others up, or is it just a way of
seeing the heart of the people one is facing?
The tactic works as long as you face people who do not know Christ that well, and cannot
say, God bless you, my friend, because whatever is driving you, it is not out of love or the
grace of Christ through the cross.
By the way the reason I touched on the military issue, is because dc has an unusual sensitivity
to this, and loves to picture himself as the faithful soldier fighting the hordes of evil believers who
populate the church, who he wishes to expose and expel.
Christs ways are simple. If you do not abide in the vine you will wither and die.
And if these brothers really annoy you, pray for them, lift them before the King and leave them there
because whatever is driving them it will continue to do so until they bow before the King.
I remember something that struck me about mourning. For some it is the most consistent feeling they
have ever felt, and do not understand why it is so strong. It then comes to define them for the rest
of their lives.
So I wonder if this is what defines some here. Rather than it being Christ it is actually their military
experiences as a youngster, which tells you more than I need to about how deeply they see the cross
and their walk above these emotionally defining experiences.
For me Christ defines the high points of who I am, no matter where I have gone and done, He is the
best.
This reminds me of a member who right after a post claimed it said something different than
it actually did.
This is how strong the delusion is among some here.
People cannot lie about one post below, but somehow some members actually manage to do this.
It does make you wonder both the intelligence and the value of this media.
I try in the Lord to represent people fairly, and to put them in the light of truth.
This is very different from people who flatter and whose intention is to please and not show
what is sin and what is of the Lord.
As I have so many times repeated, the sermon on the mount divides most clearly those who
follow Christ and those who belong to something else.
What one has here is a group who claim that denying Christs words in the true gospel while
desiring to condemn and accuse of sin believers who with integrity witness to the King and
what others are teaching.
What is telling even if they were lying, they do not even bat an eyelid, because all their sin
is already forgiven so no offence to the Lord has been done in their eyes. So lost are they
this is their bread and butter.
it actually did.
This is how strong the delusion is among some here.
People cannot lie about one post below, but somehow some members actually manage to do this.
It does make you wonder both the intelligence and the value of this media.
I try in the Lord to represent people fairly, and to put them in the light of truth.
This is very different from people who flatter and whose intention is to please and not show
what is sin and what is of the Lord.
As I have so many times repeated, the sermon on the mount divides most clearly those who
follow Christ and those who belong to something else.
What one has here is a group who claim that denying Christs words in the true gospel while
desiring to condemn and accuse of sin believers who with integrity witness to the King and
what others are teaching.
What is telling even if they were lying, they do not even bat an eyelid, because all their sin
is already forgiven so no offence to the Lord has been done in their eyes. So lost are they
this is their bread and butter.
AMEN and because we believe this we do not believe in doing anything for God and we live like the "debil" Bobby Bouche......we just love to live in unrepentant sin, no service, lip service only, no works, no fruit.......................................................................................................................................................
Justified FREELY by his GRACE and saved by faith....amen....!
Justified FREELY by his GRACE and saved by faith....amen....!
Our "obedience" is to Christ's Gospel. For which I am NOT ashamed, and are saved.
The Holy Spirit will reveal sins and behaviors that we should turn from. AND give power to enact that change, NOT only in the negative sense of abandoning sin, but in the positive sense of doing good works.
Your post is really quite slanderous. NO ONE has advocated sinning. We are saying that it is Chris't finished work, and His Grace extended to us, that will perfect us.
With YOUR doctrine, what do you tell yourself when you do sin? Do you deceive yourself that you do not sin? This is truly a slap in the face to God and His PERFECT standard. Which is to NEVER sin.
Before salvation, there wasn't much inner disgust or groaning in my life when I planned ways to sin, and carried them out. Now, when I commit a sin, I HATE it, BUT I don't let the devil get a foothold with guilt. I confess my sin, which means to agree with God that it was wrong, and accept the forgiveness He has provided to me through His Son.
It is precisely THAT Grace that is effective in stopping a sinful activity, NOT TRYING MY HARDEST TO NEVER DO IT AGAIN!!
THAT IS what will lead to despair if that sin happens again.
Please do not harden your heart to His incredible Grace, Love, and Mercy.
The Holy Spirit will reveal sins and behaviors that we should turn from. AND give power to enact that change, NOT only in the negative sense of abandoning sin, but in the positive sense of doing good works.
Your post is really quite slanderous. NO ONE has advocated sinning. We are saying that it is Chris't finished work, and His Grace extended to us, that will perfect us.
With YOUR doctrine, what do you tell yourself when you do sin? Do you deceive yourself that you do not sin? This is truly a slap in the face to God and His PERFECT standard. Which is to NEVER sin.
Before salvation, there wasn't much inner disgust or groaning in my life when I planned ways to sin, and carried them out. Now, when I commit a sin, I HATE it, BUT I don't let the devil get a foothold with guilt. I confess my sin, which means to agree with God that it was wrong, and accept the forgiveness He has provided to me through His Son.
It is precisely THAT Grace that is effective in stopping a sinful activity, NOT TRYING MY HARDEST TO NEVER DO IT AGAIN!!
THAT IS what will lead to despair if that sin happens again.
Please do not harden your heart to His incredible Grace, Love, and Mercy.
This is such a strong statement.
It is like being part of the mafia, and finally waking up and walking away.
Yes they are loyal to their own, but cross them and you are dead.
If a believer has come out of a group where their ethic is not not confront sin as poison
that destroys all it touches, the meaning is they are advocating sinning is not a problem.
Another way of expressing this is advocating sinning.
The problem with sin, is you are either against it, or you are a slave to it.
There is no middle ground, which is what Paul is saying.
We cannot be slaves to two masters.
It is like being part of the mafia, and finally waking up and walking away.
Yes they are loyal to their own, but cross them and you are dead.
If a believer has come out of a group where their ethic is not not confront sin as poison
that destroys all it touches, the meaning is they are advocating sinning is not a problem.
Another way of expressing this is advocating sinning.
The problem with sin, is you are either against it, or you are a slave to it.
There is no middle ground, which is what Paul is saying.
We cannot be slaves to two masters.