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Why are you trying to say things that I did not say? Once you receive sanctification you never lose it but can only give it up. That being said we do need daily sanctification as we both have stated. Please read what is stated without inferring what you may think I am saying. We continue to sin every day and need cleansing every day.
Like I said, and every time you post you prove the following point.....
Originally Posted by dcontroversal
Obviously you cannot read nor understand context....
Originally Posted by dcontroversal
I understand..."For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad." (2 Cor 5:10)
happy to comply!
God has provided the means of continued obedience to the faithful
Repentance of, or, "turn from", sin.
If you quit committing sin, you quit committing sin!
Baptism in Jesus' name for the remission of past sins. {Acts 2:38)
Other things besides remission of sins happens in baptism, including the death, burial, and resurrection with Chris to walk in newness of life. (Rom 6:3-6)
That is rebirth by God's seed that cannot bear evil fruit. (1 John 3:9)
The results of the death of the old you is in verse 7 of Romans 6..."For he that is dead is freed from sin".
As for Romans 7...The first few verses of Ro 7 clearly show that it is speaking of a former time.Verse 5..."For when we WERE in the flesh..."The entire middle of Ro 7 is about Paul's former life as a Pharisee; trying to live the Mosaic Law, but failing. And again, a reference to the past in verse 18; (that is, in my flesh). And the end, especially verse 23; "But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringingme into captivity to THE LAW OF SIN which is in my members."...points again to a former time. Because...we read in Romans 8:2...."For the law ofthe Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from THE LAW OF SIN and death.
Why would Paul be subject to something he is free of?
If you could see the truth of Ro 7, and its proximity to Ro 6, which speaks of baptism and the death of the flesh, youwould see that Paul is making the past-present transition, and Ro 8 continueson into the life walked in the Spirit.
God has provided the means of continued obedience to the faithful
Repentance of, or, "turn from", sin.
If you quit committing sin, you quit committing sin!
Baptism in Jesus' name for the remission of past sins. {Acts 2:38)
Other things besides remission of sins happens in baptism, including the death, burial, and resurrection with Chris to walk in newness of life. (Rom 6:3-6)
That is rebirth by God's seed that cannot bear evil fruit. (1 John 3:9)
The results of the death of the old you is in verse 7 of Romans 6..."For he that is dead is freed from sin".
As for Romans 7...The first few verses of Ro 7 clearly show that it is speaking of a former time.Verse 5..."For when we WERE in the flesh..."The entire middle of Ro 7 is about Paul's former life as a Pharisee; trying to live the Mosaic Law, but failing. And again, a reference to the past in verse 18; (that is, in my flesh). And the end, especially verse 23; "But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringingme into captivity to THE LAW OF SIN which is in my members."...points again to a former time. Because...we read in Romans 8:2...."For the law ofthe Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from THE LAW OF SIN and death.
Why would Paul be subject to something he is free of?
If you could see the truth of Ro 7, and its proximity to Ro 6, which speaks of baptism and the death of the flesh, youwould see that Paul is making the past-present transition, and Ro 8 continueson into the life walked in the Spirit.
This would mean that all unrighteous works point to a lack of salvation.
While I agree with that, salvation won't be secured till after the final judgement.
It is written..."For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad." (2 Cor 5:10)
Many will then hear..."depart from me ye workers of iniquity". (Matt 7:23)
While I agree with that, salvation won't be secured till after the final judgement.
It is written..."For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad." (2 Cor 5:10)
Many will then hear..."depart from me ye workers of iniquity". (Matt 7:23)
Amen. There is no in between.
LOVE IS THE ANSWER!!!
1 Corinthians 13:1-13 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing. Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
Matthew 19:25-26 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?” Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
LOVE IS THE ANSWER!!!
1 Corinthians 13:1-13 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing. Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
Matthew 19:25-26 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?” Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
Slight correction: We only have GOOD works after salvation. Not before. 
There is none righteous on this earth, God says so. So how can our works be righteous, when we are not?
There is none righteous on this earth, God says so. So how can our works be righteous, when we are not?
God's fullness is us, the church.
Thanks be to God for righteousness by faith in His grace and love.
Someone earlier to day mentioned "context", and it made me think of this verse, widely used by defenders of sin to prove nobody is perfect.
The "perfect" part still missing is written of in Phi 3:21..."Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself."
He still waited for his new glorified body.
Yep. Paul had to be dead to get the new body.
I twisted nothing.
His POV was wrong.
Jesus, a man, did not commit sin.
Why repent?
According to your doctrine, it produces no change in the repentant?
The liars already have salvation and perfection awaits till later?
You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Turn from sin...forever, or be judged unworthy, unfaithful, unsalvageable.
The "perfect" part still missing is written of in Phi 3:21..."Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself."
He still waited for his new glorified body.
Yep. Paul had to be dead to get the new body.
I twisted nothing.
His POV was wrong.
Jesus, a man, did not commit sin.
Why repent?
According to your doctrine, it produces no change in the repentant?
The liars already have salvation and perfection awaits till later?
You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Turn from sin...forever, or be judged unworthy, unfaithful, unsalvageable.