I think firstly I would say that you, me and others do not bring people to repentance.
The Holy Spirit does that.
It is he that convicts the world of its sin.
Faith cometh by hearing, so they must hear about and turn to God.
Your scenario makes it look like it is God's fault if a man sins because the Spirit never brought the repentance-faith.[/QUOTE]
And Jesus said that sin is unbelief in him.
Though I agree with that statement, (based on Heb 10:39), I can't remember Jesus ever saying such a thing.
Have you a scripture in mind?
We don’t offer honey, we offer love, Agape love.
Just a metaphor, as in, "you draw more flies with honey than with vinegar".
You say after about 5 posts on this thread it became a street fight.
Have you wandered why?
I know why.
But in the interest of "honeyizing" things, I won't elaborate.
You say “That is a perfect is a perfect time to illustrate what they can do with the power of God in their life and that kind of life that is different from what they are used to”
So given that when you have led people to Jesus do you add a caveat?
Something along the lines of “Now you have come to Jesus don’t sin, if you do then you are not saved and if you do there is no way back?
Everyone that I have brought to Christ knows from the beginning what is expected of them.
It is the reason folks are drawn to Christ. No wishy washy "nobody's perfect" tripe.
There is power in faith in God.
And again, if they leave, they can always come back and be REAL. repentant, lovers of God.
But given that you believe that sins are not forgiven before baptism is it if they sin before baptism it’s forgiven and after that they can’t and won’t be forgiven?
We can't baptize again, as Heb 6:4-6 makes clear.
It is only after a true "turn from" sin that they will receive the Holy Ghost.
Their sin shows they didn't have faith in that prior baptism, so maybe now they do.
Their forgiveness is in God's hands.
Of course we would allow them to return, but they would have a lot of pressure to manifest that they love God above all things.
There is a period of time between faith and baptism.
I don't know.
In the above case, there may be a period of time between baptism and faith.