Not By Works
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I guess you do not understand the part about there being no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus. I posted a graphic with Scripture at the top of this page. Perhaps you could read it. That seemed to me to be the obvious point Chester was making.
We use language differently and understand differently and we are not to lean on our understanding. In some peoples language like mine, salvation is a verb that is ongoing and so is being washed. Jesus said only our feet need to be washed: because we don't yet walk as Jesus walked. Does it mean my feet are still being saved, I would say yes in my language, at least until I have the message of peace firmly on my feet. The only time I saw my feet was in a dream about 15 years ago they had no sandals and were scraped and bleeding a bit. Also to make matters worse in understanding interpretation of parables feet represents us: the message of peace on our feet as we walk as Jesus walked, "How beautiful on the mountains are the feet of Him who brings good news, proclaiming peace announcing new of renewal." The good thing about having different views is accepting limitation in our view and continue learning to walk in Love. The good thing about salvation being ongoing is it makes room for a better view, "For we are saved if we hold the beginning od our confidence firmly until the end." Refers to those who receive a crown of salvation," Not all will rule with Christ, the rest of the dead are not raised until the 1000 years are fulfilled. "Some will lose their reward but will be saved as through fire."
R
I've noticed many people believe that repentance is limited to what you think. You know, a change of mind. As we can see, though, to repent also means to change your behavior.
"repent and do the deeds you did at first"-Revelation 2:5
People are quick to limit repentance to only what's going on in their head, not in their behavior. I can see how that would come in handy to rationalize sinful behaviors. I'm not saying you are doing that. Just engaging some discussion here.
"repent and do the deeds you did at first"-Revelation 2:5
People are quick to limit repentance to only what's going on in their head, not in their behavior. I can see how that would come in handy to rationalize sinful behaviors. I'm not saying you are doing that. Just engaging some discussion here.
R
Yes, I have asked.
The answers vary.
Never had anybody say that was the reason.
If it was they didn't tell me.
Me too. That's what I believe. As someone pointed out in a thread, that's what the practice was in Acts.
It's the bold, public confession of your new found faith in Christ. It's important to do it right away and in a sense close the door to the world behind you.
Not making a public confession of faith is like going on a diet nobody knows you're on. If you know what I mean. Until you make some kind of a public pledge of a good conscience toward God in a public water baptism it'll be easy to not do right when temptation comes along because nobody knows you've decided to be a Christian.
The answers vary.
Never had anybody say that was the reason.
If it was they didn't tell me.
Me too. That's what I believe. As someone pointed out in a thread, that's what the practice was in Acts.
It's the bold, public confession of your new found faith in Christ. It's important to do it right away and in a sense close the door to the world behind you.
Not making a public confession of faith is like going on a diet nobody knows you're on. If you know what I mean. Until you make some kind of a public pledge of a good conscience toward God in a public water baptism it'll be easy to not do right when temptation comes along because nobody knows you've decided to be a Christian.
To do the things we did at first. What does that mean to you? To me, it means to be on fire for the Lord, to be so consumed with my hungering and thirsting after Him that all else falls by the wayside: the world is but background noise. It is not just behavior, but an attitude of the heart. One could never be said to be lukewarm in such a state. Our behaviors come from the heart. I have not met anyone who says it is just changing your mind, but that is the definition of the word, which carries much more weight than you seem to want to give it in relation to others. A change in mind toward our former rebellion against God goes to the heart of the person.
R
That's what Jesus taught, and we know Jesus did not teach a works based theology.
He did not seem to be too afraid of being politically correct and avoid telling people like it actually was. He used what we would consider some very not PC language when describing the doom and destruction of those who do not put his words into practice.
That's not a works gospel because we know that we put his works into practice because we are saved and have His Holy Spirit inside of us. It's a works gospel when we try to put his words into practice in order to earn our own salvation. The point is, the issue is not the works. It's HOW and WHY you are fulfilling those works. That's what determines if you believe a works gospel or the true gospel. Works in and of themselves do not constitute trying to save yourself, but you'd sure get that impression from reading some of the posts around here. I don't know how a person who actually has works of the Spirit in their life would think that anyway.
Read what I wrote. I did that.
But it's not important now because apparently she was just trolling.
Hang around. I will show you as opportunity presents itself that much of the theology being pushed here is actually a thinly disguised 'grace is a license to sin' belief. I'm not the only one that sees it. Watch me and budman's discussion especially.
He did not seem to be too afraid of being politically correct and avoid telling people like it actually was. He used what we would consider some very not PC language when describing the doom and destruction of those who do not put his words into practice.
That's not a works gospel because we know that we put his works into practice because we are saved and have His Holy Spirit inside of us. It's a works gospel when we try to put his words into practice in order to earn our own salvation. The point is, the issue is not the works. It's HOW and WHY you are fulfilling those works. That's what determines if you believe a works gospel or the true gospel. Works in and of themselves do not constitute trying to save yourself, but you'd sure get that impression from reading some of the posts around here. I don't know how a person who actually has works of the Spirit in their life would think that anyway.
Read what I wrote. I did that.
But it's not important now because apparently she was just trolling.
Hang around. I will show you as opportunity presents itself that much of the theology being pushed here is actually a thinly disguised 'grace is a license to sin' belief. I'm not the only one that sees it. Watch me and budman's discussion especially.
R
Once saved always saved is often used as the license for people to think that even though they are 'living in' the sins of Galatians 5:19-21 they will still inherit the kingdom despite the plain fact that the passage says they will not.
If you are still 'living in' the sins of Galatians 5:19-21 and other passages, God has probably not started the work in you that you think he has. Don't beat up the messenger. Take it to Jesus. Sort it out with Him.
If you are still 'living in' the sins of Galatians 5:19-21 and other passages, God has probably not started the work in you that you think he has. Don't beat up the messenger. Take it to Jesus. Sort it out with Him.
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